Anahid Hojjati

Anahid Jaan I wasn't refering to your blog

but the one in the link I provided.

I don't feel strongly about anything anymore on this website.

I just observe the double standards ( not necessarily yours) when it comes to moderating comments and encouraging abusing and distorting comments only to satisfy a group of people who seem to benefit from VIP status ...

everyone is equal on IC but some are more equal than others ! 

Darius jan,

your comment on this blog was not deleted and if you mean on some other blog, they were deleted, then you can write a blog about it if you feel strongly .

Hey Anahid Jaan Why don't You Blog on this then ?

My Comments were deleted for no reason including a polite demand as to the reason which prompted Admin to delete them:

//iranian.com/main/2011/oct/cyrus-amir-mokri-u-s-assistant-treasury

With some luck it will be deleted here too.

Big Brother huh ? ... 

Dear Mehrban: I was not

Dear Mehrban: I was not able to read the entire article also since you need to have a subscription. As for any correlation to what is being transpired between the three of you, I have not yet accomplished to discern any...lol

Nevertheless, the article resonates with me because I had made similar connection between "feelings" and "culture" when I was very young. That's about it.

"We can have democracy in this country, or we can have great wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we can't have both." - Louis D. Brandeis

Anahid this is my issue too

I am not merely supporting you. So your metaphore does not apply .  

I rest my case and leave the floor to Vildemose who has read the link to tell us how it relates to our topic as I was only able to read up to a point and not able to open the article in its entirety. 

Be well and try not to be despotic, Khomeini also started on the Social Justice platform ;). 

MG: Great link.

MG: Great link. Thanks. 

"We can have democracy in this country, or we can have great wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we can't have both." - Louis D. Brandeis

Mehrban, don't be kaase daghtar aaz aash

 Please choose your words wisely. As a poet, you must know diffrence between words. What MG did was advising us where and when we did not need it. He did not coerce us. But now you are coercing us to claim that MG coerced us.

But then, I believe that sometimes you don't get it. This is one experience that I had with you that stayed in my mind and i try to explain.  I deleted the comments on one of my poems along with the poem in the form of stand alone blog. Now i have added that poem

 to a blog that is collection of some of my poems (#3). But in the original thread which I still have it since before deleting, I e-mailed it to myself, you bashed "Ari Siletz" because he liked my poem and saw something good in it. You were very upset that Ari liked my poem. why was that the case? Everyone should be free to like a poem and write that they liked it. It was not right that you bashed someone because they liked my poem. If you don't remember, I can refresh your memory with your specific comments on that thread. again, none of us is perfect, but please don't act like you are.

Structure of Feeling

".. this concept was first used to characterize the lived experience of the
quality of life at a particular time and place. It is, he argued, “as
firm and definite as ‘structure’ suggests, yet it operates in the most
delicate and least tangible part of our activities.” Later he describes
structures of feeling as “social experiences in solution...."

//www.blackwellreference.com/public/tocnode?i...

Hmm.....was it me that wrote this blog Anahid?!!

Were you not also incensed enough by the initial coercion to write this blog?!! 

Mehrban, you should change your user ID to "Namehrban"

I have had couple experiences with you in the past and sometimes you can be insensitive. That was norecant. You were being unfair to MG and I tried to stay quiet but speaking of coercion, you were being heavyhanded and I could not stay quiet. Don't think because since you post as "Mehrban", people cannot see error or unfairness of your ways.

My sensitivities are mine you have no rights to them

You will not make your sensetivities mine by coercion.  Now you are coercing my Avatar :) 

IR says the same thing except they use religion you use social movements.  I can be as insensitive as I wish to the social movements in Iran (which I am not), it is none of anyone's business.  

Now you are getting recants too, Anahid just completed this picture with her recant.   Does it remind you of anything in our recent history?!!

Nobody coerced me to post links to labor movment either

I am interesed in strikes in Iran any way. I think if someone (Mehrban) is not inside brain of others (me and VPK), they should not write that MG coerced other bloggers to post links.

You avatar became "beneath response" all by itself, don't blame

anyone else for it.

You disingenously accused me of corecing people to do things, whereas VPK wrote, black on white, he posted the item on his own free will. You owe me one apology for that.

Again you distortingly say I'm "forcing" people to do things, whereas I'm just refering to a lack of sensitivity, focus and attention in the general discourse within IC community. In social science this is refered to as Lacuna. But that's way above you jingoistic nationalist comprehension.

I don't belive in "sin," the concept is just an instrument of repression.

Your consistent error is distoring others statement, and not being honest enough to admit a lack of sensitivity and understanding towards social protest movements in Iran and their utmost significance for all of us. 

Have a nice life, outta her.

Oh Mash ghasem jaan, now you are banishing me

Hmmm Let me think when was the last time that happened in our (iranian) history.  

I hope you reconsider , and I come back to the favor of the court soon. My sin is nothing but being out spoken Sier :).

Kidding aside, I am making a big deal out of this to say that we are all prone to forcing our ideas and priorities on onto others.  

Obviously you don't read any of my posts

I keep referrign to 'Protest Movements" in Iran (within which Labor is only one of them), and all you keep saying is Labor movement , labor movement. Again for the Nth time I'm refering to all Protest Movements in Iran.

Paying sufficent attention, focus and priority to these movements (again these are the number one instruments for social change in Iran) does not cost anyone any freedom of expression (how you come up with this either/or equation truly buggles the mind). All it requires is a recognition of how vital and strategic these movements are (something which you seem to be totaly oblivious towards).

You are the one falsely accusing me of "coercing" people, "pushing" them around and childishly distoring the substance of my point by simply ignoring the content. So an apology from you is in order. But I'm above that, and don't need any apology from you.

Based on your consistent distortion of my statements and your childish ignoring of the content, from now on your avatar  just became, beneath response. This shall be my last statement to you.

Have a nice life.

Mash Ghasem jaan, I meant an apology from you :)

Here is the difference!  Your focus is the labour movement (sometimes at the cost of freedom of expression).  Mine is freedom of expression (uber alles). 

How is that for an early sign :). 

Mehrban jaan, I don't need any apology from you or anyone else

Rather if you could see the substance of the point, it would be very nice.

Substance of the argument in a nut shell: Protest movements in Iran are a life and death issue. Our future depends on them. But  we (which includes me) on IC don't pay them as much thought and attention as they deserve. I still humbly challenge anyone to do a statistical analysis of the texts in here. You could feel guilty about this fact (which is not what I had in mind) or you could feel outraged at me for merely pointing this out ( as you have been for the past two days). It does not change a thing.

The protest movements in Iran are the number one instruments of change in our society, and they need a lot more attention, focus and priority than they have received in here.

Exactly what part of this is so hard to comprehend? 

"Soft spot for Labor issues" this characterization of issue truly borders on repugnant.

Mash ghasem jaan

A simple apology would do.  Not that it is necessary.

No one is obligated to discuss issues you are interested in.  It is your topic your interest and non of my business unless I CHOOSE it to be.  

Mehrban, your choice of words and language is the most despotic

things I've read in the past two days.

First I'm accused of "coercing" people to do stuff, which turns out to be total baloney, as VPK shows.

Then I'm suppose to "push" people around simply be saying I'm fed up with the lack of attention to what I belive is a life and death issue. Again this "push"  is simply a figment of your imagination.

Paying attention to early signs emanating from your discourse is indeed truly disappointing.

Mash Ghasem

When one of our friends from the Left starts pushing us around "(khejalat ham khoob chizieh)" I can't help it if the dictatorship of the ....... comes to my mind :).  

Gotta pay attention to early signs ;).

Our national tradition is "Estebdaad", as far as I am concerned it doesn't matter which segment of the political spectrum the perpetrator comes from. 

Dear MG, thanks for your comment

You are one of my favorite contributors on IC. on that article, you did not put your request in a question format, at least not that I remember but I will look again. Regarding Obeyd, i think some discussions are fine in a book but in a blog format, with a title on front page, it may be different. Sometimes, regarding some of my own poems, when I go back, I think they may be better for  a book than blog. Blog is different than book and as such, it touches people's sensitivities in a different way than a book does. People take blog in a more personal way. Still, I do agree that Zakani has said much more. Guys on my high school akumni e-mail list are always joking and threatening :) that they will send some of zakani's work :).

Mash Ghasem

En pasokeh shoma dar blog Shazdast. Goftam to oon blog dige neminevisam. Massaleh Zakani nist. Masaleh estefadeh as vaje hayeh zesht va nasanjideh ast. 

Manam del khoshi az akhoond ha nadaram. Vali fohsh dadan aya komaki mikone? Fagat neshoon mideh ke tarbiyat nadarim.

Rajeh be font ham bebakhshid. Man az Linux estefadeh mikonam va fonte Farsi nadaram.

Koda Negahdar,

VPK 

Link'o didam 

...

Aziz jan, haven't had your coffee yet? I posted the link below, take a look it's right there.

The strike is on its tenth day.

Re: links

I posted the links so as to prove it is not that hard to look them up. Some kept talking about how we don't mention the strikes. I figured what does it take to mention them. It would be nice the people including MG would actually post the links.

Your choice of words is still not appreciated

Coercion in English language means: use of force or intimidation to obtain compliance.

Whereas I have neither used force or intimidation, but only  made a simple observation. An observation and a point about our collective sensitivites or lack of.

That point is the central argument in my comment, a point which, apparently you have nothing to say about, but somehow you manage to connect my comments to your misunderstanding of Leftists thoughts, when you state;" It is not like we have not heard of the dictatorship of the..........."

That's what I call underhanded, whether intended or not.

Mash Ghasem

I didn't want to name specific names of bloggers and I did not think you or RG would be insulted by being called Democratic Socialist, the (I guess) was to make sure I had not labeled you by an affiliation you did not approve of. 

No problem with the Left as long as it is in a Democratic framework. Nothing underhanded was intended.  

Ps.  Coercion works - case in point,  after your comment other bloggers  posted links and information on what you were interested in ;).

Call me whatever you would like, but I humbly challenge anyone

on this site, to actually do an empirical, statistical study of the blogs, news items and commentaries on this site. And I bet the results will be that: overwhelming portion of the texts are on MEK. Monarchists, NIAC,...and lots and lots of pure BS (also known in Persian as Korsi Sher), and at the very end, the least percentage would go to texts about protest movements in Iran. All of which is a demonstration of our collective sensitivites, priorities and focus on people's struggles in Iran, or lack of.

Unfortuantely latter seems to be the case on this site. 

As for the record, haven't I always put any request I 've had from you or any one else on this site, in a question format?   Have I ever 'ordered' you or anyone else to do anything? All of a sudden I'm the "Big Brother?!" 

Haghir shoma, Mash Ghasem.

Mehraban: I really don't appreciate any underhanded treatment of the Left. If you have any specific instances in mind, you might as well say it concretely. 

P.S. Tis the link to the Petrochemical workers strike news:

//iranian.com/main/news/2011/10/01-4

Dear Anahid

You are welcome. I figured instead of complaining I would post the links. Really was not that much work. I hope these guys get somewhere. It has to take a lot more than them. But it is at least a start. 

When things change it is best to be internal and home brewed. What I like is that other workers in Tabriz are joining. This generates a sense of unity. Iranians working together. Not division as some preach and I fear. With more of this we avoid disintegration.

The more people work together the less chance of breakup. If we look to outsiders we risk a lot worse than we have now. This is real bravery much more than I sitting here anonymously typing.

Dear MM, VPK and Mehrban jan

Thanks for reading my blog and commenting. I thank VPK for links to the strikes.  According to one of the links:"

Seven days have passed since 1500 workers of Bandar Imam Petrochemical Complex in Khuzestan Province began their strike. Free Trade Union of Iranian Workers has reported that security agents have arrested 3 workers and taken them to the Intelligence Agency located at the port city of Bandar Imam Khomeini.

According to reports issued by various labor organizations, three workers, Mansour Abbasi, Mohammad Bagher Bagheri and Jasem Bedrani were summoned by agents and then arrested.Two of the detainees are labor activists and representatives of the striking workers.

In March 2011, the workers of Bandar Imam Petrochemical Complex were also on strike which ended after an agreement was reached between the workers, the management of this company and government officials. According to the signed agreement, Bandar Imam Petrochemical Complex was given 3 months to dissolve contracting firms in order to offer a uniform corporate employment contract to all of its workers. Unofficial resources have reported that the terms of this agreement has not yet been fulfilled.

It has been reported that the Chief Operating Director of Bandar Imam Petrochemical Complex has threatened 1500 striking workers during a speech in front of the managers of contracting firms. Bandar Imam Petrochemical Complex is a government-owned corporation in Khuzestan Province."

A few things

Thanks Simorgh for your kind of kind words :-)

For all who are interested in the petrochemical strikes here are links on articles I found:

//www.freedomessenger.com/archives/38172

//thecommune.co.uk/2011/10/04/petrochemical-w...

Disclaimer: I don't know these sites; who runs them and whether they
are legitimate.  There were others by MEK which I refusedeal with but if you google will show up.