Sic Semper Tyrannis

AO jan thanks but...

I can't really take credit. The behaviour fit the picture so damn well that I couldn't help but 'see' it as I was reading ;)

Here, this is how SP's fate must have been decided. Substitute characters as necessary lol

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XGc02YBnZE&feature...

AO

The whole point of the Amnesty is to take subjectivity out of it. What if Admin decides not to let Fesenjoon in? It ends up your opinion vs. admins. We do not have a system to make a case by case decision here that is accepted by all.

Therefore I am seeking a fix that will satisfy all parties involved. There are situations that require compromise. This is one of such situations so lets go! I have little personal stake in this. As I have not been banned. Anyway this is the best option as I see it.

AM- I think you just made up the phrase of the year!!

"Ghamar Khanomesque" 

Dude, that's such a cool phrase!!!! Priceless!!!!! 

VPK- I am in favor of a case by case evaluation

As I think I have made clear throughout this blog, I think that an "amnesty" should be based on a case by case analysis, taking into account how many times the person has been blocked, what happened when the person was blocked, and most importantly, the quality of the person's contributions (if any) to the site.  And by quality I mean the level of effort the person put into his / her work. 

Plenty of Iranians

who visit this website are Americans

There's no reason for them to 'hate' America

they're already Americans

and I'm sure they're not 'American hating Americans'.

Why should they hate themselves?

Unlike some 'Iranian Hating Iranians'

who visit this Iranian website and have nothing absolutely nothing positive to say about Iran.

The comments of This Mr Fesenjoon was more to do with the Byproducts of fesenjoon that is discarded after it's been consumed by humans. 

Escape

I do not doubt that some Iranians hate America. No more than anywhere else including America itself. There is anti-Americanism right here in the USA and in many of its allies. May I remind you that:

• There incident on 911 was not by Iranians. Nor
• Shoe bomber was not Iranian.
• Flag burning  deal was by Americans.
• There is an American Christian group that goes and defiles funerals of American soliders.

By your rules not even Americans get to go to Stanford.

And American's eventually do forgive.We forgave
England,Vietnam,Germany,Mexico..Eventually we will even forgive Saddam
Hussein Al Qeada and the Taliban.This is not what happens in the Middle
East.They never forgive and keep a War going forever.

Sir, you do not speak for Americans you speak for yourself. I am a US citizen and I bet I paid a lot more taxes than you have. No one except for perhaps the President speaks for "Americans" not you ! 

I will assure you that there is plenty of blame to go around. No one is asking for American "forgiveness". How about the shooting of the Iranian passenger jet? I am not sure who you are but talking to you is a waste of time.

As one Iranian I don't want your forgiveness. Nor do I need such arrogance.  You are an MKO sympathizer and I am not falling for this. MKO is lucky if its leaders *just* get life. They deserve much less than it.

No VPK You're wrong plenty Iranians hate the USA

There are enough Iranians who hate America.Plenty of them.That is a fact! You are arguing against facts and not looking good.I don't make up Facts ok,I try to understand them.

Now when you quit blaming American's for having the sense to know what you apparently don't and taking your little jabs at them,I won't feel insulted and the need to give you a reply.After all ,that's what your calling for isn't it?

It's a given with these Anti-American Iranians,to attack the messenger.As in Professor's,talk show hosts,New's Anchors,New's Stations for simply reporting on the IRI.The Senseless NIAC has made that it's mission,to stupify Americans on the IRI and think they can get away with it.They aren't bridging any gaps,they create them.

The subject was not about Iranians on American soil,as you have attempted to make it now.Tell me,does making the subject about something totally different make you feel as if you have won the debate on the original subject? It doesn't,It just means you changed the subject to win and ignored the real topic.

The topic is about Iranian 'students' on Iranian soil,trying to get into American University's and possible reasons for rejection.No matter if they are beyond the student's control or not,they are legitimate reasons and no distorted amount of reasoning changes that reality.Including costing respected college professor's their jobs.But it's much easier to go after Professor's and Talk Show host's than 300 Million Americans who are thiking the same thing isn't it? And then giving them more reason to keep on thinking it.

THE MKO- Yes I understand you hate them but it's been childish to refer to me as a MKO because I pointed out what a washed up organization they are compared to the Taliban or Al Qeada.Again,attack the messenger.The MKO are nothing but a Tent in Camp Ashraf compared.But the outrage is hypocritical of Iran (In general) after feeding Shiite Militia's and the Taliban to suddenly take this Anti-Terrorism stance with any credibility.

And American's eventually do forgive.We forgave England,Vietnam,Germany,Mexico..Eventually we will even forgive Saddam Hussein Al Qeada and the Taliban.This is not what happens in the Middle East.They never forgive and keep a War going forever.

AO

Yeah quite a contrast to the Ghamar Khanomesque appearance on the SP blog ey?

Disappointing? Yes. Surprising? Not a bit.

General Amnesty!

Personally I would suggest Admin reiterate the rules. Then offer  a "general amnesty". Let all the recently banned people back in. With a clear statement of the rules. If people follow the rules then we are fine. If not the Admin could ban them again.

That means everyone including Fesenjoon get back.

Would that suit you AO? 

I am sick of arguing without him to argue back. Somehow it does not feel really fair. 

No, not at all!!!

Anyway, do you or fesenjoon have anything at all from Admin that you can share with us?

No, not at all...which is quite disappointing.   

AO jan

Yes well ... another wonderfully common quality is to divert attention from one's own wrong doings by derailing the topic. And once that is done, decent people are left with no choice but to address the unfounded claims and the nonsensical hayaahoo. Whatcha gonna do?

Anyway, do you or fesenjoon have anything at all from Admin that you can share with us? 

I apologize AM,my comment is from review of Andy grove's book

You are correct AM. I was actually looking for Andy Grove's famous quote about being paranoid but did not have much luck. I thought he said:"just because you are paranoid, it does not mean that they are not out there to get you" but then some places, I saw that it was written just because you are not paranoid. In any case, my comment is from review of the book that Andy Grove wrote. I did not write that, it is copy and paste but I liked what it said. as far as Shepesh question about whether I am paranoid, answer is that generally i am not unless there is cause for me to be paranoid and as you see from my comment which is review of Andy Grove book, there are cases that merit on eto be paranoid. 

Rea

Well by the time I am done reading this blog and even worse for my brain: NP's I will be mental :-)

AM Jaan - I do

But as you can see, the discussion is being sidetracked.  I wanted to stop the diversion, and focus on the issue.

AO

This blog is about Fesenjoon being the victim of the unfair moderation on the site. Referencing other similar cases doesn't hurt the cause, but helps it. Don't you agree?

Ms AH

When copy pasting other people's writing it is only proper to reference your source(s) and present it as a quote instead of a comment written by yourself. Anyone can google the first sentence in your comment about Andy Grove and find it on the net.

AO

I am not the one obsessing with Rosie so don't blame it on me. I have been arguing about Islam. 

By the way I was not being insincere. I am against banning anyone. It just happens that I do not miss Fesenjoon. But I have said many times I did not ask to get him banned.

Now go ahead once more and repeat you accusation. I am totally consistent in my position. All I said was that admin is trying to be fair. You it seems do support banning just not for Fesenjoon. Because he is your friend. Now who is being insincere? I make no secret of not being impressed by Fesenjoon or his writings.

But that does not mean I wanted to or asked to have him banned.

Shepesh, Andy Grove, a past CEO of Intel wrote

Under Andy Grove's leadership, Intel has become the world's largest chip
maker and one of the most admired companies in the world. In Only the Paranoid Survive,
Grove reveals his strategy of focusing on a new way of measuring the
nightmare moment every leader dreads--when massive change occurs and a
company must, virtually overnight, adapt or fall by the wayside.

Grove
calls such a moment a Strategic Inflection Point, which can be set off
by almost anything: mega-competition, a change in regulations, or a
seemingly modest change in technology. When a Strategic Inflection Point
hits, the ordinary rules of business go out the window. Yet, managed
right, a Strategic Inflection Point can be an opportunity to win in the
marketplace and emerge stronger than ever.

Grove underscores his
message by examining his own record of success and failure, including
how he navigated the events of the Pentium flaw, which threatened
Intel's reputation in 1994, and how he has dealt with the explosions in
growth of the Internet. The work of a lifetime, Only the Paranoid Survive is a classic of managerial and leadership skills.

Any non-Iranian still on ICom

must be a mental patient, start with me, lol. ;o)

"Shepesh, you are monitoring me."

Then if you call someone Mental Patient and quote the above about me, can I call you Paranoid? Anahid, I suppose I found those comments really disturbing, please consider other peoples feelings when you write. You wrote once, why do people single me out on this  site ... have you ever considered perhaps you bring negative attention to your self? Dont shoot the messenger, perhaps more people notice than those who comment. Noone is out to get you. Bye folks.

Why do people talk about those who are absent ?

In mu language we say "baba tračara". Now, go figure. ;o)

more lies from shepesh, what is new?

Shepesh, in one of your comments, you wrote:"trying
to defame publicly someone you claim is defaming you privately, you are
acting the same! There is no justification for Abuse.
" so here you are trying to say that Rosie was only privately defaming me. what are you talking about?

Rosie was making defamatory comments in her blogs againt me, therefore publicly defaming me.  Also I am not proud that when I got upset as result of her repaeted stalking, that I called her mental patient but she has written multiple blogs about this issue, it was not as if I let the cat out of the bag.

Shepesh, you are monitoring me. Hardly any word that I write on this site will get passed you.

This blog is not about Rosie- It's about Fesenjoon

The only reason I brought her up in the first place was to show that VPK wasn't as sincere about an even handed application of the rules as he pretends to be on this thread.  He disagrees with that assessment, and that is his right.  

I don't want this to become a discussion about Rosie.  Trust me, if history is any indication, she'll be back soon under a different ID and will start annoying everyone again.  Let's just leave it at that. 

Anahid Khanoom

The blog is about blocking and I had the misfortune to be logged on that night to see all comments and the blogs which Admin deleted. Noone is monitoring you, but if you write public blogs do not expect people no to see them and judge some of your behaviour when you always try to play victim.

Shepesh, have you ever thought that you are provoked because

If you get too fixated on one writer on this site and make your life 's mission what that writer writes, then you will get provoked by her/him. Your case may be like this. You may be following my blogs too closely and making it a mission of yourself to make sure that I am on my best behavior. That is why you seem to alway be "alamdar" against what wrong I have done. The provocative blog you talk about i don't know what you are talking but may be it was the one writing about how some writers on this site get upset with small criticism of themelves but are willing and content to have long time harrassment against others go on. For instance if I tell a writer why you wrote this as a form of honest question to find out why he/she really wrote that, the person gets totally worked up and then feels justifiled in abusing me intentionally. While my intention was really to find out honestly why they did certain actions and if they thought Ihad bad intentions in my inquiry, they should have tried to find out more not start a campaign of lies and defamation against me all because they were asked wrong question.

Admin

Please leave the comments that Ms Hojatti made as they are the kind of comments people find offensive about other users. Expecting Admin to clean up after you is not Admin's role.

Admin, feel free to ...

delete couple of my comments on this thread.  Last night, this opening of discussion about Rosie made me upset. Mostly because in October, the reason I deleted all my blogs was that because Roie was upsetting me with her comments, kind of like what OnlyIran referred to. Then I got upset and deleted all my blogs. I am still kind of upset that I lost my blogs over this. All this said, I have also read good blogs from Rosie. When she sticks to subjects and does not get fixated on writers on this site, she is good. She also defended some writers on the site when they were attacked by another. In any case, no one is perfect. That is why when recently she was unblocked, even though I had been bothered by her very much in past, I never registered any complaint about why she is unblocked again. I kind of tried to be careful about not crossing paths with her on IC.

Since this discussion of Rosie started last night, I got upset and trying to answer AM and Shepesh, I made few comments that I later wanted to delete.  I was not able to so so since they had been replied to. But Admin, please feel free to delete them.

Shepesh - I really don't know of other instances

I was just talking about my experience with her.  I never addressed her.  Told her repeatedly that I do not want to have a discussion with her.  But she kept following me from thread to thread, link that one blog of mine, lied about it and then tried to pick a fight with me.  All of that happened when I never addressed her or even responded to her.  And the blog that she kept linking had nothing to do with her!

I am only talking about my experience with her.  I don't know about anyone else's.  So, I don't think that your comment really applies to me.   

OnlyIran/ AO

This is my last comment on this subject, as you do not understand the point being made. What you are saying is Two wrongs make a right. Whatever Rosie, X or Y was doing IN PRIVATE does not justify :

1. other User does SAME publishing Rosie's emails to 1000s of IC Users, making public announcements that "Rosie wrote me an email and it said bla bla bla" . You cannot play a victim if you are willing to do the same, forwarding HER emails to entire IC community.  IF Admin punish Rosie for harassment, then punish others for harassment.

2. when Rosie is blocked the other party writes a very provocative blog about not just Rosie, but other IC Users that do not like public displays, instead of diffusing a drama continuing it and saying again "Rosie wrote me an email last night and it said bla bla bla".... which is like a red rag to a bull, provoking Rosie to come back , both parties taking part in another public drama, then the person saying "mental patient get a life, see a doctor, what are you doing here....." You cannot play a victim if you are willing to do court trouble, being provocative and attempt to continue a drama after Admin finished it . Now can you call that innocent or try to make opportunity to bash this person in public with other members of IC community?

Noone is defending Rosie, but people should not try to justifying own form of abuse. Trying to defame publicly someone you claim is defaming you privately, you are acting the same! There is no justification for Abuse.

Rosie IS a weirdo

She was stalking me for a while before she was blocked.  She is fixated on a blog that I wrote almost a year ago. She kept linking it and kept lying about it.  I kept telling her that I wasn't going to respond to her, but she kept following me from blog to blog trying to pick a fight with me.  

Weirdo!!!