Sic Semper Tyrannis

Dear TS-9 - point well taken

thanks for the advice.  You are always a voice of a reason in midst of attacks by the usual gang of marauding IR goons on my blogs.  to be honest with you, I have been planning on reducing my time on IC for a while to catch up with work.  The underlying premise of your comment is also appreciated.  The thing that bothers me the most is that most of these attacks would not even happen if the attackers actually read what I write and get to the actual point.  But hey, we're not where we are in Iran if our people were not hysterical (among many other issues).  

Is that why you have been attacking me for the past 24 hours?!!!

You're interested in a "civil discussion?!!!".

You have too much arrogant, misplaced pride that is preventing you from having a civil discussion with others without resorting to attacks, name calling and profanity. Either that or you haven't taken your Prozac today! If you haven't, pleas make sure to do so before you go to bed.

Good night, and make sure to read some poetry before you go to bed. It relaxes you.

AO good night....

      Just remember next time you think you have an idea to present it w/o insult and spice and you may get a better response. Using the words "s**t" " Stupid", "jew hating" and rest does not make for a civil discussion.

       More importantly make sure youknow about the subject you write about specially if you attack it!

      Sorry I was a bit harsh on you. But nothing personal. Just had to defend the Molaana Shamsoddin Mohammad Hafez Shirazi. Because part of my pride as an Iranian is because of him......

Just so that there's no doubt remaining in anyone's mind

I enjoy good poetry from whoever it is, Hafez, Saadi, Ferdowsi, etc. And no, I do not know all of Hafez's poems, but thats irrelevant. compliment good poetry, regardless of whose poem it is. And yes, I will praise a Hafez poem again and again and again....There's no doubt that both Hafez and Saadi were very good poets. But that has never been the subject of this blog.  And of course, Ebi's poem mentions Hafez's name in it.  No secert that it's a Hafez poem!!!  

Anyway, my point is proven once again. These vicious personal attacks against me just proved the point of my blog.

AO the poem that Ebi posted and you praised

   so dearly belongs to Hafez! Same Hafez that you called stupid on top of your blog! I just wanted to you and rest of readers know that how much you know about Hafez and his poetry and why you are the best to judge Hafez.

Take it easy AO..relax

      Are you telling me you know all of the Hafez poems! Clearly you don't. Specially you had no clue this is Hafez. May be youthought it is Ebi's poem or someoen else but you had no clue that is Hafez!

      In any case you are either lying or you are confused or both (most likely senario)!

You flagged my comment to Ebi thanking him for the poem?!!!

Hilarious!!!!

Oh so now it's not "necessarily?!!!!"

Up until now, I thought it was Ebi's, but now that you have been proven wrong, you change your tactic and it's not "necessarily?!!!". Here's a phrase that I don't use much: LOL!!!!

you didn't think it is Ebi's poem necessarily

   but god, you had no clue it belong to Hafez and that's why you are so embarrassed and started insulting me and flagging my comments that point to your screw up! :-)

      OUCH!

Ebi jaan - I'm sorry that you became a part of this abuser's

Spectacle. Thanks again for your wonderful contribution and the wonderful poem that you posted. I really enjoyed reading it. Please post more if you wish, on this blog or elsewhere for me and everyone else to enjoy. As I told Anahid earlier, taking a break and reading poetry during work is quite refreshing.

Where in this comment did I say the poem belonged To Ebi?

Actually, I deleted this comment's content. I will let the readers judge your comments for what they are: simple abuse of a blogger.

AO you are clearly so embarrassed with

      you praising Hafez poem after insulting him all day that you are flagging all my posts that mentions that! :-)

      Yes bud, the poem that Ebi posted and you praised as wonderful and very nice was Hafez poem! Same Hfez that you called stupid on top of your blog!

      Now see you flag this comment as well. You just want to erased all the trace.. :-) I understand!

LOL! :-) embarrassing!

       AO here is what you wrote with regard to Ebi:

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"Ebi - e- Gerami, sepaas, sepaas, sepaas-

by Anonymous Observer on Wed Nov 30, 2011 04:18 PM PST

wonderful poem to top off the night.  Very nice.

Thanks for your wonderful contribution.   

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      Funny thing is that Ebi didn't come back because he realized you screwed up bad! So praising Hafez as "wonderful" and "very nice" while title of blog is "How stupid is Hafez?"  lol :-)

       You know sometime people are asked what was your most embarrassing moment in your life?! Now you know that answer!

Where did I say the poem was Ebi's?!!!!!

Is that another symptom of your illiteracy and your basic lack of understanding of English? He posted a poem and I thanked him for it. And why don't you show us where I criticized the quality of Hafez's poetry. 

Incidentally, the last line of the poem mentions Hafez by name.  FYI.  :-)))

What a ... 

AO, Clearly you are embarrassed....

      that's why you are showing your true colors now! You got my empathy! What could be more humiliating than attacking a poet all day and then in the evening mistaking Hafez poem with that of Ebi and praising it!! ;-)

                OUCH! OUCH!

       I am not even going to flag your comments (if you can acll it that!). Lets see if admin blocks your id and rids IC from your vulgarity and blaring ignorant Blogs!

Now you come face to face with "Ommah"..::))

& power of Ommatism;

//iranianidentity.blogspot.com/2009/01/above-portrait-is-of-hafiz-plotonius.html

& Remember that there are 2 no-fly zones among ommaties 1- This bedoin dialect, Al Farsi, 2-Shaikhak poets & philosophers (the main culprits of Pan-bedoism) . You just entered one such zone ;::)). Good luck pal !!!

Ebi jaan kojaii amou..  cheers!!!

dear AO

I wonder if it is productive to write a blog like this in a place like IC. I say this because I think you are an honest person and respect your integrity. Is it really best use of your intellect to write blogs that will alienate 50% of the people who come to this site, because they are writers and poets writing blogs? To use brutal language like "stupid" will take away from the blog the good points you are trying to make, like over emphasis of poetry in culture and things like that which perhaps they may agree to and admit to. Immediately people will jump on the severe stuff and treat you with lack of respect, which I dont think you deserve as a person. Honestly, is it worth it, this hassle, the insults? You have to judge the type of audience in this place - writers and artists and ask yourself whether this type of blog will get the result you wanted.

All it will do is cause you unnecessary grief while you could be better off dividing your time between sites where you are among like minded people and get something positive out of it. I assure you, you will not here. This is the wrong audience for this type of blog. Perhaps spend more time in scientific sites or others, and come here for news and politics. Honestly aziz, what is the point in giving yourself such a hard time and in the end getting alienated? I only say this out of care, not criticism.

VPK

You can be certain that people dont make others look bad, people dont make Iranians look bad, people and Iranians do it themselves. 

(and I am saying this with a soft voice, in a friendly tone) 

Ebi - e- Gerami, sepaas, sepaas, sepaas-

wonderful poem to top off the night.  Very nice.

Thanks for your wonderful contribution.   

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شراب و عیش نهان چیست کار بی‌بنیاد

زدیم بر صف رندان و هر چه بادا باد

گره ز دل بگشا و از سپهر یاد مکن

که فکر هیچ مهندس چنین گره نگشاد

ز انقلاب زمانه عجب مدار که چرخ

از این فسانه هزاران هزار دارد یاد

قدح به شرط ادب گیر زان که ترکیبش

ز کاسه سر جمشید و بهمن است و قباد

که آگه است که کاووس و کی کجا رفتند

که واقف است که چون رفت تخت جم بر باد

ز حسرت لب شیرین هنوز می‌بینم

که لاله می‌دمد از خون دیده فرهاد

مگر که لاله بدانست بی‌وفایی دهر

که تا بزاد و بشد جام می ز کف ننهاد

بیا بیا که زمانی ز می خراب شویم

مگر رسیم به گنجی در این خراب آباد

نمی‌دهند اجازت مرا به سیر و سفر

نسیم باد مصلا و آب رکن آباد

قدح مگیر چو حافظ مگر به ناله چنگ

که بسته‌اند بر ابریشم طرب دل شاد

Ebi aka Haaji

"crucified"

How over dramatic.  I don't think so; no one did much other than giving  back the same medicine. Americans call it "taste of your own medicine". You call one stupid; someone else returns the favor.

Before you say "I thought you wee out of here". The other was my last post abut what Iranians have done. Which was totally non insulting and of course was ignored. Face it you bait people by insults and then cry foul when they insult you.

It is a classic method to make others look bad. In addition other posters put words in my mouth. This is by ascribing statements I never made to me. Then complain about me saying things I never said. You are out to make Iranians look bad and not winning.

comment from TS-9 on another thread worth repeating

 Neither AO or I have been personal here, but expressed a view. I have seen you do the same with Islam,  Mohammed and Arabs among other things. NOTHING IS SACRED. I have read comments that are insults to AO, but noone seems to say anything. That is worse than expressing a view.

How true.  As I sadi there, I am being crucified for calling a long dead poet "stupid."  Can you imagine?!!!  What other culture on the planet would react this way?!!!  Think about it! 

hirre

hirre - good point

very good point!

I thought you were done with this blog... :-))

I am surprised that more folks condemn this illiterate attack on one of not only Iran but world's prominent poets and thinkers! SHAME o SHAME! 

Yeah...you're right.  What a shame...I think you should write a letter to the UN and the International Criminal Court.  This blog is nothing short of genocide!!!  Or perhaps it's cyber poet-o-cide!

Seiously dude, don't leave.  Keep it coming.  Can't make this stuff up!!!!  Free entertainment.  :-)) 

Only those who don't understand Hafez find him stupid

       Literary critic,

        You got it. These folks can't even read Hafez! Ask AO to even read a couple of verses and he comes to tears. It is a shame that a college kid can sit behind a laptop and insult things he has no clue about and then brag about being a rebel and invite others to "soul search"!

         AO bud,

         "Soul search" you need badly, but for now do a bit "Google search" and "try" just "try" to see if you can understand Hafez with your meager intelligence!

        I am surprised that more folks don't condemn this illiterate attack on one of not only Iran but world's prominent poets and thinkers!

SHAME o SHAME! 

Also, a false analogy disjointed

Your hypothetical would be true if I had called YOU and other commenters stupid and then asked you to reflect.  Instaed, I called people whom you hold dear and emulate stupid.  So, in your hypothetical, I should have called the homeowner's idol stupid and aksed him why he worships that idol.  has nothing to do with his winodw...or yours for that matter.

Speking of stupid, did you understand what I just said, or do I have to repeat it again and again and again --like what I have been doing for you since yesterday--for it to sink in?

دوستان محترم

حالا از قایان و خانم هایی که می‌گویند حافظ و سعدی احمق بوده اند سوالی دارم:

آیا جنابان مطمئن هستید که حافظ و سعدی را به درستی فهمیده اید و یا فقط بر حسب تصوّرات خود اینچنین افاضاتی می‌‌فرمایید؟

I liked one viewer's video comment on parazit

He said something like: "iranians, especially abroad are fighting about the name of the gulf, cyrus the great, hafez and other irrelevant cultural aspects, but they don't know what is going on in Iran or how to change it..."

Deaf Ears

This is my third and last attempt. My immediate family has filed a dozen patents in USA. Founded two profitable companies and tried a bunch of others. I may list Iranians again and again with inventions and so on.

But no point because it is like talking to a rock. I get the same response every time: nothing. Then as if a broken record  same thing repeats "what have Iranians done". Well if you read my posts you would know. Better do some research and find out. 

A person who asks something is responsible to have done some research. Plus when you get a response the person must  either acknowledge or refute it. By ignoring it they admit to being wrong.