Even before I started my path toward becoming an MFT, I always felt the urge to help others which later on I noticed that it came from my crummy childhood:). And it was mutual, that is people older than me came and asked for my opinion on things, that made me proud of who I am, not knowing that the real me was hidden behind so many masks that were soon to be off my face with flesh and blood, Yeh, somehow graphic. Now after some years, today I found myself sitting with so many books and articles around me just thinking how you can help someone who you think needs a drastic measure of help, but he is either oblivious or ignorant, or both!!! How can you help someone very dear to you (I mean VERY DEAR) and you seem you can't persuade him to see someone and get help, you can't even touch the point that he is in need of therapuetic help. Any suggestions?
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Dear Omid..
by Anonymous (not verified) on Sun Aug 17, 2008 08:29 AM PDTسلام Omid جون
حالتون چطوره اُ میدوارم خوب و سر حال باشید. من تصمیم گرفتم مستقیماً با خود ِ خود ِشما حرف بزنم. فکر کنم اینجوری بهتر باشه.اّدم که مثلِ خانم ها یا بهتر بگم دخترهای ۱۴ یا ۱۵ ساله نباید سریع قهر بکُنه. .
هدَفم اینه که به شما توضیع بدَهم والا. . وقتی یکی Comment میگذاره نباید انتظار ِ جواب داشته باشه. آخه این که Discussion board نیست در نتیجه این حقیر از شما انتظار جواب نداشت. اَما وقتی یک تویسنده Blog یا Article می نویسه . . باید بدونه که نظرهای موافق و مخالف خواهد داشت و زود هم بهش بَرنخوره.
اَما در مورد Anonymous بودن براتون بگَم. من تصمیم گرفته ام نه تنها Anonymous بمونم بلکه دائمآ هم اِسمَم رو عوض کنم. اصلآ من از گمنام بودن خیلی خوشم می یاد. علاوه بر این به نظر این حقیر تنها آدم known در اینجا آقا JJ خودمون هست چون اسمش وعکسش مثل Trademark می مونه.هر کس دیگه میتونه با ده تا account خودش رو Register بکُنه وخدا بده برکت توی internet عکس مجانی هم فراوان. اگر واقعأ آقا JJ درکتار هر کسی IP رو نشون میداد٫ همه حرف های شما درست می بود.
حالا Omid جان چه نتیجه ای از حرف ها می گیریم . بذار با هم بگیم پاینده Iranian.com و . . Long Live Anonymous .. و . . لبخند جانم . .
janam
by javaneh29 on Fri Aug 15, 2008 01:50 PM PDTso sorry to hear that you have this going on for you. the sad news is that there is nothing you can do. I speak as a psychologist, social worker and family therapist. I currently work in mental health.
When someone doesnt want to help themselves there is very little you can do what ever the problem is, be it alcohol, drugs or a mental illness. Aziz the only thing I can advise you is to look after yourself and dont allow yourself to get dragged into which ever pit this person is in because when they hit rock bottom and begin to see there is a way through, how ever much time that takes, they might need you then.
I wish I could say something different but this is the reality.
LOOK AFTER YOURSELF FIRST.
Javaneh
:)
by Azadeh Azmoudeh on Thu Aug 14, 2008 11:06 PM PDTPEACE
WOW!
by Azadeh Azmoudeh on Thu Aug 14, 2008 08:49 PM PDTIt's amazing that how much support one can get when in need. When I said a dear one, meant he was a very dear friend of mine. Mental disorders: big time, from personalty disorders to schizophrenia in his young adulthood. However, he is very inteligent, and being Euro-American he knows about Iran more than most of us do. Thanks for your input, sure I will stay as a supportive friend. The sad part is we both are in the same field of work-psychotherapist!!! And if you don't take care of yourself how can you be of any help to others? Having said that, I need to add although life is short and everyone has to enjoy it, I do NOT for a second believe that I need to leave him where he is. I do not call myself a human being, least a therapist, if I ignore him and go on with my life. Since I am so close to him, I can't ethically be his therapist.
Thanks you all for your wonderful support and feed back:)
PEACE
And
by Omid Hast on Thu Aug 14, 2008 08:58 PM PDT...good luck with you
anonymous jan
by bajenaghe naghi on Thu Aug 14, 2008 12:33 PM PDTplease read the sentences in quotes specially the last two words. some times you must be intelligent enough to infer from what people say to learn what they mean. that was my take that the person in question has mental illness and needs help. what was your take from what you read? why would the writer say he needs therapeutic help if he were not sick? and another thing, mental sickness should not be a taboo. it is a sickness and we must face that fact and deal with it in the most prudent way.
"how you can help someone who you think needs a drastic measure of help, but he is either oblivious or ignorant, or both!!! How can you help someone very dear to you (I mean VERY DEAR) and you seem you can't persuade him to see someone and get help, you can't even touch the point that he is in need of therapuetic help."
Mr. “bajenaghe naghi“..
by Anonymous (not verified) on Thu Aug 14, 2008 11:32 AM PDTShe is saying this person is in need of therapeutic help, and very careful with the words. Why do you call this individual ill? Is this the way you are supporting or I better say labeling people in your life!!!!!!!
Leave and don't look back
by XerXes (not verified) on Thu Aug 14, 2008 11:25 AM PDTBefore you waste your life trying to fix someone who probably would never know, realize or even worth it. Run. get a way to happy and fun and joyful life.
If you stick around, the possibility is that the person would draw you in the shit rather than you pull him out of it. Ron and don't look back. Life is great for those who see it. Others have to just grow up on their own.
azadeh jan
by bajenaghe naghi on Thu Aug 14, 2008 11:11 AM PDTmy heart bleeds for you. you are in a very difficult position. i have found mental health be one of the most difficult things we may have to deal with. the person who is ill usually does not know how ill he is unlike that of physical illness that something hurts. as much as i am sorry for you, i am also sorry for your loved one. you did not mention his illness but i bet you he has some idea that he is ill. he is probably scared and confused and needs a lot of support from people around him. keep talk to him and make sure he knows he has your support. he may need to trust you through his confusion to allow you to take him to a doctor. it will take time. also ask the professionals they may be able to give you some constructive advise. lastly be strong yourself. now everything may look dark but enshalah you will see the light in the end of the tunnel soon.
I don’t believe..
by Anonymous (not verified) on Thu Aug 14, 2008 10:05 AM PDTI don’t believe it’s the ignorant of the individual. Most of the time it could be the matter of trust, and being afraid of judgmental nature of human being. I really don’t know how that wall should be broken, the only thing that is obvious to me is a strong support system isolated from any kind of labeling and judgment.
& Dear Omid, I don’t agree that "For some people omidi nist".
Omid hast - a caring, supportive person should help that individual to find it..
Omid is absolutely
by American Wife (not verified) on Thu Aug 14, 2008 09:14 AM PDTright. You wish and wish that there was one magical word that would start some awareness but you find that you're just beating your head against a very hard wall. If you discover the key to unlocking his blind eye to the problem, PATENT IT. Good luck... I know the frustration and pain of being where you are... take care YOU don't become a co-dependent!!!
Thank you
by Omid Hast on Thu Aug 14, 2008 08:56 PM PDT...for the deception.