Capt Ayhab

okh captain they won't let up

it's always about you. you you you. bad bad mean mean..... There's only so many times you can say "he's a good man and he dresses well." as a form oc citing accomplishments. As I said, at least Chalabi was an engineer. He could balance equations and discuss thermodynamics LOL. This guy..... lol this guy.

Ayhab, why do you lie so much?

I never said that RP is "highly educated!" Show me where???? I couldn't care less if he had absolutely no degrees! My only point is that he's the rightful heir to the Peacock Throne, period! In fact, my favorite writers, Scott Fitzgerald and Jack Kerouac had absolutely no degrees whatsoever! Bill Gates dropped out of college. It's YOU and only YOU who's morbidly fascinated with Reza Pahlavi's "BS" degree from USC!

I never brought it up, man. Why do you lie so much???

Pathetic!

Yes Free. It's very odd that we are discussing someone

who appears on TV in softball interviews and claims to "be willing to do whatever the people want." When have I heard THAT before. 

You love this and you will keep coming back to read the truth about your Pet Pahlavi. Enjoy it baby. 

grow up?

Beside, you have a degree in Bull Sh"t (BS) and call yourself Captaine,

absolutely, that is why I can spot you miles away........ Mage kashkiye?

-YT 

P/S I sail......... jet it?

Interesting how Marge and Ayhab

routinely show up at the same time. A nice tandem of hatred and insults. All they can do is call Reza Pahlavi names: "Jackass," "fat boy," "stupid," etc. etc. No ideas, no options, no real contributions, just insults piled upon 32 years of insults. Massive jealously (oghdeh) and hatred will do this to a  human mind. Sad, really. And this hypocrite Ayhab says he only engages in "civil" discussions.

What a farce.

Mr. Qioumars-

I am not in the mood to name names........... but I think the man who called Reza Pahlavi HIGHLY educated had the initials of FREE.

Scroll down to comments please

-YT 

Free and OGHDEH

When a guy named FREE talks about Oghdeh...........

Nice to meet you, I am ayhab at your service

-YT 

Mr. Qioumars-

Allow me to interject.

You noted[ 1. Your first point mocked of RP because he has a simple BS in politics,]

Dear sir, it is not matter of mocking rather matter of truth. A correspondence degree means absolutely jack sh!t in today's competitive educational market.

You further noted[ I heard RP saying that it is up to people to decide of their future,
that he will be of any help to this end.]

My personal view . If you sir are so gullible to to buy into the oldest selling trick in the world, then allow me to present you with this opportunity..........

I have this great parcel of land in Nigeria which my royal family has inherited. due to some difficulties I can not market this parcel of land directly. BUT if you send me your bank account number and your full SS#  along with your passcode to your ATM card, then I can transfer $4 million to your account in exchange for $1 million.

Did you buy it? I am certain with your logic you did.

-YT 

Another example of massive Pahlavi OGHDEH

and hatred... Ayhab, the alledged college professor who can't spell "fond" ("found of") has the onions to wax poetically about the merits of education. He writes: "Reza Pahlavi is of no exception, ask him to surrender the funds his dady left him and ask him to go and earn couple of bucks, then we will see how able this fat boy is............

Ayhab, if you weren't so obnoxious with hatred and oghdeh, you would actually be laughable. Oh, wait. You are laughable. Oghdeh and hatred. This is your trade. You're a sad, pitiful, small man.

"fat boy" has a far better life than you can ever dream of (money, beautiful wife and kids). I know that makes you massively jealous, and you can't control your hatred. I'm trying to understand your patently irrational mind. Jealousy and hatred will kill you, old man, take it easy. Control your massive Pahlavi Oghdeh complex before it takes over your life. Oh, wait. It already has.

Pathetic.

Let's say he was depressed from his father's death

But he got married so young. I'm assuming that was required, but he got lucky. I think this is a man who really just incompetent. It's not much more complicated. Either you have a king and he knows what the hell he's doing and he doesn't screw around, or you have a jackass like Pahlavi and son who are just stupid. It's so sad, especially when you consider what's happening in Kuwait. Granted they are a bit whorish with the Americans, but they have provided very well for their citizens. They are also very protective. The Kuwaiti king even has an Iranian wife... lol. So there is an Iranian empress somewhere....

Ayhab,

Who said that having a BS is to be highly educated except you?

Beside, you have a degree in Bull Sh"t (BS) and call yourself Captaine, so what upsets you so much?

Grow up!

Marge i jan

I am willing to cut him slack.......... Let us assume that when he was in tender age of something or the other, Maman Jun Farah Khanoom sat him down and asked him to do the home works........

Let us assume that this Foghe diplom credentials he got is all legit.

McDonald's all across the world are full of people with one form or the other of correspondence degrees from DeVry Institute or institutions alike, waiting and hoping for promotion to become store managers.

Reza Pahlavi is of no exception, ask him to surrender the funds his dady left him and ask him to go and earn couple of bucks, then we will see how able this fat boy is............

-YT 

what part of did not attend classes

do you not understand? This is the most bogus baloney degree. it was the internet degree before there were internet degrees.

Captain, brace yourself, all that education and his favorite Fox News quote is "But Megan (kelly), we Iranians love the Jews. We have a biblical relationship (thank you advisor you got your money's worth RP)."

BS degree = highly educated??? Got to be kidding me

It is true that degree does not bestow intellect Per Se. but let us examine the facts.

It take certain amount of  elbow grease, certain perseverance, certain sacrifice during the best times of the life to achieve higher educational credentials.

You want to be a medical doctor, you pay the proper dues. You want to be the best  engineer, you pay the proper dues, you want to be best in anything you pay the dues.

Calling Reza Pahlavi a highly educated person where he holds a meager BS  from a corespondance school does not place him in the highly achieved category by any standards. 

I am being perfectly honest, BS degree in today's competitive educational environment is no more significant than having a high school diploma. If Reza Pahlavi is deemed to be highly educated for a correspondence BS degree he holds in political science, then we can easily say that education system where he acquired his BS has failed  miserably.

-YT 

Mammad,

No, indeed, you did’t get it! Here the demonstration by points:

1. Your first point mocked of RP because he has a simple BS in politics,

2. I said how can you judge the political skills of RP, you, who have a specialization in science?

3. You went in a long monologue (and continue here) that engineers in Iran are smart guys and that they can do politics too,

4. I then said: How can people having a BS in political science can be less knowledgeable than an engineer making political analyses?

5. Conclusion: Give it a rest; you cannot judge RP upon his political visions (your hagueer too, has an engineer degree with two PhDs but he doesn’t take himself really in serious when it comes to politics.)

I heard RP saying that it is up to people to decide of their future, that he will be of any help to this end. What I say, as a single Iranian, is that he’s welcome and that one cannot close the door upon his nose because he’s only mistake is that he’s a Pahlavi.

I’m sorry to repeat myself but: though I’m not a monarchist, RP represents the voice of a lot of people inside and outside Iran and, willingly or unwillingly, he cannot be moved aside when it comes to different voices to be united when they’ll decide of the future of our country.

If we don’t change our mind that those who we don’t like shouldn’t politically exist, we’ll make the same mistakes than before. This is called political maturity, not only in my opinion but also according to Machiavel.

Mammad

Read Alam's book? Are you 16 years old? I've probably read more books about Iran than you can dream about, pal. Your analysis of Sedighi is purely fiction, superficial at best, and it's funny that you dismiss everything else I wrote as "not worth" responding to. Just like Ayhab, who when check-mated, doesn't feel the need to respond. We'll agree to disagree, pal. But this whole debate about Sedighi is 100% irrelevant. I never said that the Shah always acted in accordance to the 1906 Constitution during his reign -- he rarely did -- but all I said was that it was legal for the Shah, as the presiding head of state, to try to secure the Peacock Throne for his son, as a Constitutional Monarch -- that was, in fact, his royal duty under the 1906 Constitution.

By the way, Sedighi's part in all of this was George Ball's doing (go read Gary Sick's book, All Fall Down). It was the Carter administration's suggestion that Sedighi assemble a "committee of elders" to stop the bleeding of the government. And it was a monumental joke. Sedighi had absolutely no pull with the revolutionaries, nothing whatsoever. He was simply too old and a waste of time. Again, it was not the Shah's idea for Sedighi to form a government, it was George Ball's plan.

And the Shah never trusted George Ball, as Ball despised the Shah. And for his part, the Shah considered Ball an enemy of Iran, so it's no wonder that he was extremely leary of any moves made by George Ball involving Sedighi, who couldn't accomplish jack-shit in those chaotic times anyway. Bakhtiar couldn't survive in that complex revolutionary situation, with power over the army by the way, neither could the Provisional Government under Mehdi Bazargan, in fact. What makes you think that the 100-year-old Sedighi could accomplish anything, what with the revolutionary frenzy of those days?  

Anyway, it's not my job to school you. From your posts, you sound midly ignorant. You've probably read one or two books on Iran and rest your entire "musings" on your limited research. Alam was a shuyster, by the way. Take anything he wrote in his book with a rather large grain of salt. I'm not saying the Shah was a saint, no way. But know the characters involved before you draw any grandiose conclusions. 

Mrs. Hojjati

thanks for your kind comment and for me I just didn't kept the pain on my shoulder that's life for some.......

But still capt- and marge did not tell the alternative gov. for a free Iran.

NOTE:  Rajavi, Karroubi,Moussavi,mojtaba......

are not acceptable.        sincerely Maziar

Qioumars

I do not get it. First you said that because I have engineering education, I do not understand politics, and called upon me to "get intelligent." Then, after I reminded you that, in fact, engineers have a long and distinguished track record of being involved in the struggle for democracy in Iran, you say, well, having a BS in political science is better than having a BS in engineering! Who says that?

Just a few years ago, editors of leading newspapers in Iran (both in the reactionary and reformist camps) were CHEMICAL ENGINEERS (just like yours truly)! Mohammad Naeimpour, Mohammad Atrianfar, Moansoor Sheikh Attar. Others were engineers also. Mousavi and his group are mostly engineers. Same for Ahmadinejad. Even among the opposition in exile, most are engineers.

Some of the best analyses on Iran are produced by engineers. Among the university students in Iran who lead the struggle for democracy, the vast majority are enginners (Tehran University's Fanny and Amir Kabir University), or engineers and scientists (Sharif). Exactly the same is true about the leaders of struggle during the Shah.

But, even aside from these points: Tell me, what deeply intellectual analysis has RP produced? What enlightening vision has he produced? What book has he written that is truly revealing of the depth of his understanding of Iran and its people? Hot air can take you only so far!! 

Support RP as much as you want. That is your choice and is respected. But, do not tell me that you support him because he has this or that accomplishment. He does not. Take away his Pahlavi connection, and he is an extremely ordinary guy with no intellectual power and no accomplishment whatsoever. And, on top of that, the Pahlavi dynasty committed many crimes.  

Mammad

Free

Let me just respond to one point you make. With all due respect, the rest is not worth responding to.

If Dr. Sedighi was the way you describe, then why did the Shah turn to him to form a government? You and people like you discovered that he was not capable of forming a cabinet AFTER he refused, or before, or this is simply another fabrication by the monarchists who try to rewrite the whole contemporary history?

Sedighi refusing to form a cabinet had nothing to do with Sanjabi going to Paris. Sedighi asked for real power including his own choice of the War Minister, but the Shah refused. Sedighi asked the Shah to relinquish the control of the armed forces, but the Shah refused. That is why he turned the Shah down.

No, the Shah did not do anything according to the 1906 Constitution. If he had, there would not have been a Revolution in the first place, because that Constitution had turned the monarch into a ceremonial one, but the Shah ignored it.

Do not take this from me. Read Amir Asadollah Alam's memoir. He was a decades-long confidante of the Shah and fiercely loyal to him. In one paragraph he says that in a meeting with the armed forces high command, the Shah is talking about what they should do if he is removed from the scene "be loyal to the Constitution and execute it AS I EXECUTE IT!" In other words, forget about what the intention of the Constitition was. Do as I say and do! This is just the tip of the iceberg. Read the memoir completely to see whether the Shah was doing anything constitutionally or not. And, when Alam warned the Shah about what he was doing after he formed the fascist Rastakhiz Party and declared that, "Anyone who does not like this can get his passport and leave Iran," the Shah said, "Alam has lost it!" Constitution of 1906 and the Shah? That is an oxymoron, mutually exclusive term.

People like me do not fabricate the history. We read and learn it as it happened, not as the way we would have liked it to happen. That is your expertise sir/madame.

Mammad

Lastly,

Reza Shah "may" have retarded the growth of democracy in Iran in 1925, but guess what? He truly wanted to turn Iran into a Democratic Republic in the order of Ataturk's Turkey in 1925, with himself as Iran's first democratically elected president. This is a historical FACT. It was the mullahs -- yes, THE MULLAHS! --  in the person of mullah Mudaress, who stopped Reza Khan, and forced the kingship upon him! Why? Because the mullah's greatest fear is a democracy. The mullahs rather have a kingship where they can always assert pressure on ONE MAN, whereas with a democracy, power is fragmented and dispersed amongst hundreds of representatives. As such, it's much more difficult for the mullahs to exert control over society and pressure its leadership when you have 500 democratically elected representatives (as opposed to a one man show).

After all, the hallmark of the Shiite establishment is to follow, not lead, i.e., the concept of Maraj-e-Taghlid, which requires that we should all, as good muslims, "emulate" a holy mullah, whereas in a democracy, with ONE MAN, ONE VOTE rule, every single vote would be equal in importance (whether from a villager or an ayatollah). That is anathema to the Shitte establishment, because they truly believe that the masses are sheep, and as such, they must follow a holy shepherd!

Moreover, if Iranians were not ready for democracy in 1979 (a reasonable and mature electorate does not see their leader's face on the moon), then they surely weren't ready for democracy in 1925. And how can you have anything resembling a true "democracy" in 1925, what with mullah shanannigans in high gear, the Russians and their rivals, the British, blatantly scheming the "Great Game" on Iran's soil, not to mention that the country was wholly bankrupt, thanks to the Qajars. Without economic solvency, democracy is mob rule/dictatorship at best. Just take a look at democratic banana republics in South America in the last 100 years.

Moreover,

Moreover, your "facts" about Sedighi's last minute efforts to form a government on the eve of the revolution is utterly lacking in reason and perspective. Sedighi, an octogenarian whose time had long passed, was incapable of forming a government in the dog days of November and December of 1978. It was too late, specially after Sanjabi went to Paris in September and kissed Khomeini's hand, which pretty much sealed the revolution.

The average people in Tehran didn't know of mullah Khomeini, but they sure as hell knew of Mossadegh's party, the National Front, and once its present leader, the craven Sanjabi, sided with the mad mullah in Paris, it was over, for the most part. Sanjabi thought (and hoped) that Khomeini would make him the first post-Shah prime minister in Iran.

Moreover, when you say that the Shah wouldn't relinquish power to Sedighi you're being so disingeneous, it's bordering on an outright fabrication. In his final days, the Shah was only trying to do what was LEGAL under the 1906 Constitution. In the end, the Shah was merely trying to save the 1906 Constitution, and in the process, save the Peacock Throne for his son, as a constitutional monarch. He was fully aware that his rule was over (after all, he knew he was dying with cancer!). What's wrong with trying to save the throne for his son? In fact, that's what the 1906 Constitution required! It was the rule of law under the 1906 Constitution! 

And in the end, the Shah did in fact relinquish power, with Dr. Shapour Bakhtiar in charge. During the time frame your're talking about, Iran had a true democratic government under Shapour Bakhtiar. The regime had freed all of its political prisoners from Evin, including mullah Khalkhali, Rafsanjani, and Khamenei. Freedom of speech and press were the rule of the day under Bakhtiar. The Shah's dictatorial rule was finished, with or without the 100-year-old Sedighi. 

Mammad

Your facts are so flawed and biased as to make them annecdotal musings of a skewed perspective at best, and irrelevant. Reagan was, and is, by all fair standards, one of the greatest presidents in US history. He took over this country at a time when America was a JOKE, thanks to Jimmy Carter.

Not only did this country's foreign policy lay in ruins (Iran, Afghanistan), but its economy was worst than it is today, perhaps. Double digit unemployment, inflation and interest rates. And Reagan created (not saved) but CREATED 30 million new jobs in a little over 6 years! The greatest economic growth in this nation's history by far. 

More than that, he gave this country a real sense of hope (not the phony kind we see today), but real genuine optimism. His tax cuts, which merely continued JFK's tax cuts, generated real growth. Yes, he raised the nations debt in 8 years of peace time, but that also destroyed the Soviet Union, who were desperately trying to keep up with America.

In point of fact, the Soviets went bankrupt, that's why they imploded. Price of oil in the 1980's went down to $8 a barrel and with little oil money coming into Soviet coffers (while trying to keep up with Reagan's US defense spending), they went bankrupt.

In other words, America's single greatest mortal threat, the Soviet Empire, was neutralized under Reagan's presidency, while its economy grew at unprecedented levels, to the tune of tens of millions of new private (not public) jobs. Those two facts alone make Ronald Reagan a very accomplished president, to say the least.

Mr. MRX1

As for myself I can answer your answers.

#2 I am a ordinary citizen who has no claim to the throne, nor is my last name Pahlavi. Nor Do I go around and represent myself as representative of any resistance group in Iran or otherwise. I merely am a follower of young women and men in the streets of Tehran and a simple human rights activist.

Not to mention the fact that I did not inherit billion that  belong to Nation of Iran. What ever meager possession I have, I have work very hard almost my entire life.

#3 Just read the comment by people who claim to be his supporters and see the various attacks on this thread, Including your own.

#4: No it is not Joke[see #3 above] . My father[bless his soul] did not own an army, nor did he own a hated organization called Savak. He did not order anyone killed, he did not order anyone imprisoned, nor tortured. He worked very hard all his life and died very peacefully. I personally wish I could ever be half as kind and generous man that he was.

In another word, My father Unlike Mr. Pahlavi's does not have the blood of 1000 upon 1000 of people of Iran on his hands, so there is absolutely nothing about his[my father] actions that I have to own up to and apologize for.

#5 Well do not blame the people for following the Green Movement, since historically it has been one of the largest and more sustained opposition to Islamic Tyranny. He himself boycotted the elections and now is trying to catch a free ride on its back.

Keep in mind please that I personally do not hold him responsible for actions of his father. But if he truly is an advocate of human rights, he must come clean and condemn actions of his father as well along with IR[which he does condemn]. 

-YT 

Mammad,

I know that you’re an imminent professor and I respect your accomplishments for Iran but in my book, softly and licentiously painting people who oppose your ideas is as civilized as directly telling them what you think about their behaviour.

Your point (a) in your first post questioned about RP’s university degree suggesting him having a BS doesn’t make him a knowledgeable? a skilled leader? Or what? I don’t know? But here you come defending in 4 paragraphs that one has to be smart to get an engineer degree in Iran! How can a person having a BS in political science can be less knowledgeable than an engineer making political analyses? Just because smart guys in Iran become engineers!

If Pahlavis caused Iran's political development to stop and set it back for at least a few decades, and founded a dictatorship worse than the Qajars' against which we had the great Constitutional Revolution. Categorizing people because of their roots or backgrounds is also a kind of segregation conducting to dictatorship. Don’t you think so?

RP represents the voice of many Iranians (me excluded) that we cannot erase because we are opposed to monarchists, as one cannot erase other political tendencies of Iranians. 30 years of dar-be-dari should have taught us more tolerance and wide-judgments than that. If we begin to define by ourselves what is good or bad for the future of Iran, we are good to bear another 30 years of dar-be-dari. My humble opinion.

Answers

Question #1: Sure why not? when bunch of filthy mullah can run a country, when a community activist can becomes president in U.S, when a bulk of leaderships in many countries are incompetent , greedy, baffons, why not? actualy he is way over qualified in this context!

Question #2: What accomplishments people who critisize him have? case of dig be dig migeh root siah..

Question #3: Who is being silensed? Not a week goes out at this site and others that people constantly attack him. Generaly with no substance either, just emotional none sense inheritaed from 1970's oghdeh and inferioiryt complex...

Question #4: What a joke! which one of you fine people ever condenmed your own father's action in life? I know all your father's have been hard worker, truthfull, a gem to Iranian society, democratic, follower of jefferson or is it hamilton, only his father was evil.!!!!

Question #5: I thought every body did that! I don't know a single person including his critics in here voting in this socalled election and over night now every one is a follower of Green movement!

Question #6: As stupid as his critics are!

Mammad

Much obliged, great article

-YT 

Captain

Thank you.

I invite you and others to read the following article about Sazegara and others:

//www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/tehranbureau/2010/03/different-shades-of-green.html

Mammad

Qioumars

I love a good civilized debate. I live for it! 

The very fact that you say because my formal education is in engineering and, therefore, I cannot understand politics, goes to show how much you know and understand Iran's contemporary history.

Just take a look at all the important political figures in Iran, whether in the government or in the opposition, and you will find that at least 80% of them are engineers! Look at Dr. Mosaddegh's cabinet. Look at the important figures in the Shah's cabinets. Look at the important figures of the struggle against the Shah. Look at the present situation in Iran!!

There is a reason for it. The best and brightest (with the exception of people like me who are neither the best or brightest) usually chose to study engineering in Iran. A lot of them belonged to the middle class, and it is the middle class that leads the struggle for political freedom. Or, they were from dirt poor families and, therefore, were keenly aware of what happens to a country when there is no free press and free political parties to reveal the depth of corruption that is the root cause of poverty in a rich country like Iran.

Mammad

I suggest that you gentlemen take a break

from the fervent discussion of Reza Pahlavi's future and watch this video of one of our beautiful Shia sisters, and my favorite Middle Eastern singer:

 //www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPCyB7sSPLY&feature=related

you can return to your discussions about what RP should eat, wear, say, etc....

:-))) 

Free

Your argument, with all due respect, is flawed.

1. The point is, the only reason that Reza Pahlavi is even mentioned is that he is a Pahlavi. So, in my opinion he should level with people regarding his father and grandfather.

2. Reza Shah certainly did good things for the economic development of Iran. I agree with you. But, he also caused Iran's political development to stop and set it back for at least a few decades, and founded a dictatorship worse than the Qajars' against which we had the great Constitutional Revolution. So, in your book Reza Shah is a revered figure, but in in the book of people like me.

3. You compare RP to Akhunds and say, they did not have any credentials and accomplishments TOO. True, but I thought we want to do better than that this time!! As for Reagan, he was a terrible president. Much of todays' problem in the US are due to Reagan's policies of 1980s. I was here!

4. We do not need a ceremonial monarch. More important than that, a monarch does not become a ceremonial one, unless the whole thing goes through an evolutionary process. If England and a few other European countries have ceremonial monarchs, it is because their monarchy went through 200-300 years of evolution. The last time I looked, in November 1978, right before the Shah was overthrown, he asked Dr. Gholamhossein Sedighi to form a cabinet, but he refused because Shah refused to relinquish his power.

Mammad