Jahanshah Javid

Yahya!

 Who is gooz and who is shaghigheh: Mosaddeq and Hitler (LoL)

 I'll let you off the hook this time. Until our next meeting happy Wilki searching (LOOOL) 

FR

Mammad here's Guardian, dated Aug 3, 2005

This would refresh your memory. Let's remember the periods of big sticks and red line which were pushed back one by one when Ahmadinejad stopped the freeze:

//www.guardian.co.uk/world/2005/aug/03/eu.iran

EU warns Iran: no talks if nuclear freeze ends

Issue will be taken to UN security council, Tehran told

• The EU warned Iran yesterday that it would end two years of negotiations over nuclear projects if Tehran fulfils threats to end its freeze on the enrichment of uranium.

Amid a mood of mounting emergency and showdown between the west and the incoming regime of President-elect Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, new US intelligence sounded a less alarmist note about the potential crisis, despite sabre-rattling from the Bush administration and Israel.

A US intelligence estimate on Iran, ordered last January, concluded that it could be 10 years before Tehran had sufficient material to arm a nuclear warhead, the Washington Post reported.

On Monday Iran notified the UN's nuclear inspectorate that it was removing the UN seals on equipment for converting raw uranium into gaseous form for enrichment, ending a freeze agreed with the EU last November. The move came days before the EU is to table detailed incentives to Iran in an attempt to persuade it to scrap uranium enrichment.

The deal was negotiated by Britain, France and Germany for the EU, with the tacit support of Washington.

The EU troika responded to the Iranian move yesterday in a letter to Tehran's chief nuclear negotiator, implicitly warning they would join the US for the first time in two years of dispute in taking the issue to the UN security council in New York. "Were Iran to resume currently suspended activities, our negotiations would be brought to an end and we would have no option but to pursue other courses of action," the EU letter said.

While Chancellor Gerhard Schröder called Iran's manoeuvres "threatening", the French government warned of a looming "major international crisis".

Despite the manoeuvring, operations have not yet started at the uranium conversion plant at Isfahan, 300 miles south of Tehran. While Iranian officials said the decision to restart activities was "irreversible", a senior official also said Iran would not break the UN seals unilaterally, providing scope for a climbdown.

"This Iranian affair is very serious," said the French foreign minister, Philippe Douste-Blazy. "It could be the beginning of a major international crisis."

If Iran started processing uranium ore into uranium hexafluoride, the minister said, the EU troika would summon an emergency meeting of the International Atomic Energy Agency and push for referral to the UN security council and the prospect of sanctions.

The Americans, in particular, have pushed for referral and sanctions for two years, convinced that Tehran has long had an illicit bomb programme. While supporting that contention, the new US intelligence takes a more sanguine view, surmising it could be 2015 before Iran can build a bomb, considerably longer than previous estimates.

The two years of negotiations between Iran and the EU trio are on the cusp of collapse because Tehran, in advance, deems the EU offer to be made this weekend as unacceptable.

The sticking point concerns uranium enrichment. As a signatory to the non-proliferation treaty, Iran is entitled to enrich uranium for a civil programme and insists that the EU acknowledges that right. The Europeans balk at this. By contrast, while agreeing Iran may conduct some activities in what is known as the nuclear fuel cycle, they demand that Iran forgo the right to enrich uranium until there are "objective guarantees" the programme is peaceful. Effectively that means making the freeze permanent.

Iran, in what it views as a national project, has spent more than 20 years, mostly in secret, developing a sophisticated enrichment programme and is unlikely to mothball it permanently.

In an interview with the AP news agency, Hans Blix, the former UN chief weapons inspector said yesterday that the best way to make Iran cease was for the US to guarantee it would not seek regime change.

Jaleho

Think of me anyway you want. I have a track record and was talking about it in terms of defending Iran's legitimate rights. Now, if you do not like it that I did, so be it. That is your opinion, and I have no problem with it.

I have nothing to add, but just a small, but significant correction: The seals on the Natanz facility were broken in the last month of the Khatami presidency, not by AN.

Mammad

Midwesty

You sound awefully like an AN supporter, because you repeat what his supporters and he himself say. But, if you are not, you are not. It does not matter to me. 

You are wrong about the deal that you are talking about. The Sa'd Abaad Agreement, and subsequently the Paris Agreement, stipulated EXPLICITLY that Iran suspended the enrichment program VOLUNTARILY. Therefore, it generated no obligations for Iran whatsoever.

The Additional Protocol, if that is what you are talking about, has nothing to do with the suspension. The AP gives the IAEA additional authority to monitor and inspect a NPT member state's nuclear program, but gives absolutely zero authority to demand suspension.

People like me have read word by word and analyzed all of Iran's international treaties regarding the nuclear problem. Without it, I could not write factual, documented articles about Iran's nuclear program. So, I am neither exaggerating nor leaving anything untold.

Mammad

Jaleho Graamee;

Couldn't agree more with your stand.  If since Ameer Kabeer we had withstood these inexhaustible "BaajKhaahee's", we would not have gone through the mess that we have gone through after him.

Great

Sorry Mammad, you wrote a long

comment which was basically devoid of any observable fact, and full of self adulation. You explain how experienced and savvy an "analyst" you are, and based on that self-gratifying claim, we should accept that if your preferred candidate doesn't come up a winner tomorrow, then a big fraud has caused it!! At least people like Parham who like yourself think they know it best, have a general disbelief in the sytem for all, not their own particular favorite! You seem to approve of the election if it gives your desired result, and announce it a fraud if it doesn't. Just like Bush who advocated democracy in the Middle East, but the minute the candidates they didn't like came to power (as in Lebanon or Gaza) they all of a sudden remembered that "Hitler got votes too!" If you elect my cadidtae it is a "good" democracy, if you elect what I don't like, it is either fraud, or the people are ignorant sheep and not ready for democracy, or they are outright Nazis electing another beloved Hitler, haha.

Here are some FACTS missing in your comment: US has been trying to break Iranian revolution militarily, imposing its political prowess, and economically for all of the past 30 years. This is regardless of what Iran does or says, and is intended to limit Iran's progress everytime Iran has some advancement and aspirationm for independence.

As such, even during oil nationalization of 1950s US-UK sanctioned Iran's oil.

Then came revolution and the worse sanctions were imposed during Rafsanjani's period in war time, and after US failed to break Iran by supporting Saddam's invasion. The official US sanction policy was established by Clinton via Iran-Lybia Sanction Act that he introduced and has been renewed ever since. To punish Iran's missile program, this was even generalized to punishing any other country which dealt with Iran. We had toughening of sanctions when Iran progreesed in space technology. Iran's nuclear advancement was no exception, yet even Cheney said that US has already "sanctioned Iran to death!" So, is it Ahmadinejad's policy which casues Iran sanctions, or is it the same US policy that has existed since Iranian revolution and even during short period in oil nationalization?

 Also, you can write pages of nonessential claims, but the fact remains that Khatami accepted a freeze on Iran's nuclear activities, they put a seal on the instruments.....Ahmadinejad upon election broke all those seals, and Iran has 7000 centrifuge and has produced enriched uranium. The rest is useless rhetoric.

BTW, I have written a letter to Kerry who happened to be my senator and the presidential candidate on his Iran policy opinion when he was running for president. I got an answer back, and he never said back then that he would tolerate "some degree" of nuclear enrichment for Iran. US has pulled back its red line with every push that Iran has imposed on it during Ahmadinejad's time. In fact, US had made similar threats in the 90s regarding Iran's missile program, and except for extra sanctions, had to pull back its threat when Iran got to the next stage of missile technology. 

Mammad,

I thank you for your support and looking after Iranian interest, however I expect you to act as you claim more professional rather than resorting to labeling me and others blindly as AN supporters.

 John Kerry is history, he won't be up for re-election so whatever he says can easily be dismissed by Obama's admin as soon as Kerry is out of office, so please don't have so much hope in this game. This is just to imply to the Iranians that if you reject Ahmadi we will reward you with Haveej!

The work of stopping Neocon is not the work an individual person nor a single nation. It took the world to accomplish that, again however AN ignited the fire in the world public’s minds and challenged Neocon's taming power. In that respect he is a pioneer. Let's not forget that.

The deal that hurt Iranian nuclear right that later became the foundation of sanction against Iran was that Iran required by signing the additional treaty had to stop nuclear enrichment as long as nuclear negotiation continued. That virtually put an indefinite stop on Iranian nuclear progress because westerners could technically prolong the negotiations for as long as they wanted to.

As you should know, Westerners cleverly tricked Mr. Nabavi robbing billions of dollars from Iranians back in 80s by literary fooling stupid now-a-days-called-head-of-reform –movement leaders. The additional nuclear treaty brought  all the bad memories from Nbavi's era back resulting in rejecting the additional treaty all together by AN’s admin.

So as you see, things haven’t come out all of sudden from the blue and they are not as senseless as you think. You should know it better, since as you said you’ve been in this business for a while.

Jaleho/Midwesty

Either intentionally or unintentionally you misunderstood what I said. And, regarding Iran's nuclear program, I do not resort, unlike you, to slogans and undocumented claims.

Iran's policy about its nuclear program since February 2003, when it officially revealed the existence of the Natanz facility, has been (1) to demonstrate to the world that there is no secret parallel nuclear program, which entailed suspending the enrichment program for 2 years, and (2) once (1) was established, to press ahead with enrichment, while also negotiating with the world.

Ayatollah Khamenei said as much two years ago. So, if Iran suspended the enrichment program for 2 years, it was Iran's national policy decided by the National Security Council, not because Khatami was scared (Jaleho could use a little politeness here). Please do not repeat AN's baseless claims word by word. 

The reason for such a policy is clear. Iran's position regarding its rights to having the complete fuel cycle was and is strong, and was and is based on the international agreements and Iran's fulfillment of its obligations under those agreements. Thus, this was a prudent policy, which people like me have always supported. You two only comment and blog here (to the extent that I am aware of), but people like me have been defending this for years in the mainstream media and important political sites.

Just the other day, Senator John Kerry said in an interview with the Financial Times of London that, "Bush's demand of zero enrichment is ridiculous. Iran is entitled to enrichment." Thus, an important US Senator and a major presidential candidate who was almost elected in 2004 is finally reaching the same conclusion that people like me have been saying by putting their neck out and defending Iran's rights under the most difficult conditions in the US.

The threat of Bush's military attacks on Iran never scared people like me who resort to objective analysis, rather than emotions. Bush did not order attacks on Iran, not because AN was the president, but because the US was not in any position to attack after the debacles in Iraq and Afghanistan. It had nothing to do with AN.

Just as clearly, I do not believe that the US will be in any position for many years to attacks Iran, because it is deeply involved in Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Iraq. In fact, the US needs Iran. Thus, regardless of who will be elected tomorrow in Iran, the US will not attack, nor will it scrap any plans for attack if AN is elected by a miracle.

So, what was the misunderstand? I was not even talking about military attacks in my previous comments. I was talking about AN's reckless rhetoric about Holocaust and Israel which gave Israel and the US the perfect excuse to scare the world. Shimon Peres said a while ago, "No one has helped Israel more than Iran" [under AN].

It was due to this reckless policy that Iran's nuclear dossier was ILLEGALLY sent to the UN Security Council, and the Council issued ILLEGAL Resolutions against Iran (the first time in the UN's history) imposing sanctions. The sanctions have hurt Iran's economy and people.

The sanctions, Iran's isolation, and its dark image created by AN are the heavy and NEEDLESS price that Iran has been paying. Iran could have had EXACTLY the same advancement in its nuclear program WITHOUT any need for such a hefty price. That was and is what I was and am talking about, not military attacks.

No, I am not a sore loser. I believe that it is AN's supporters that are losing their nerves. At the same time, I can add and subtract, and objectively analyze. What I have been seeing and reading (on both sides) do not add up to a CLEAN (without cheating) victory for An if the turn-out is large, which seems to be the case. But, if AN won CLEANLY, I'll be the first to admit my mistake.

If, however, the two of you, who are AN's supporters, want to think otherwise, be my guest.    

Mammad

Rosie

I must admit I actually read that one. :)

ROCK THE VOTE BABIES!!!!

The big day is here.

Parham is irrelevant to Iran and Iranians.

DK, thanks for the youtube clips...I hope soon you'll post Mousavi's election victory clips.  Fingers crossed.

Rosie, OMG!!!  Please get a new keyboard!!!  :)

Parham is irrel....oh wait, said that already.

okay, just one more...according to Parham: IRI = Hitler = Pahlavi.  Dude, is there anyone you actually like?

Jaleo your last comment sounds like Bush???????

So:

@@@@If anything, Ahmadinejad can boast that his policies led to prevention of an attack@@@@@@

that is exactly what Bush used to justify his stupid attack on Iraq??all these fictional risks????

Mammad,

Mammad, Nice one! So, since Ahmadi’s rivals are saying, solely for the internal consumption, that his forging policy is reckless, we should believe them? Do you think that there might be any possibilities that Ahmadi’s remarks on Holocaust might be a long delayed response to the constant verbal and actual attacks from Israel during last 30 or even 60 years?  If yes then why do we want to rewrite the history by saying lies that Ahmadi’s foreign policies were senseless? They made perfectly sense, they flipped Necons. The flipped icons like Rumsfeld, Bush, Blair, Wolfowitz and so on.  If no, then you think Ahmadi’s reckless remarks on Holocaust would be left unpunished by the supreme leader or any other higher authoritative body of power in Iran?  Man! You have highly underestimated Ahmadi! It is not easy to stop the war machine of the most powerful country in the world with simple words. I believe even Ahmadi has underestimated himself because he got defensive!

He shouldn’t have got worried a bit about his reinstatement in the office. But unfortunately he did and it’ll cost him dearly. However the results of the pools are not out yet and I start rethinking about my vote for tomorrow. 

Thanks for making me think twice.

Mammad, 3 points

1.Why should Ahmadinejad's proven policy of thwarting a possible  military attack on Iran (or the failed bluff about it as Ahmadinejad cleverly recognized and didn't give into out of fear), an attack which was talked about for 5 years and scared the shit out of everyone like Khatami who stopped Iran's enrichment, and people like yourself.... be thrown out of the window and instead we listen to what Karroubi, Mousavi, or Rezaie talked about in a put-down-debate?!!

In midwesty's language, why would one give a rat's ass about whining of Mousavi or Karroubi or Rezaie about a dangers against Iran that didn't happen on Ahmadinejad's watch? If anything, Ahmadinejad can boast that his policies led to prevention of an attack, now you want to claim that he's causing an attack??!! which attack? He clearly was smarter than ALL who were planning to give away Iranian rights based on a false fear.

2. Do you think US or Israel plan and actualize their military attack based on what people say? If so, I think Palestinians should forget fighting for their rights and instead buy bunch of "dastmal" and go on a massive "khayeh mali" strategy and get back all of the occupied territories with sweet words to known aggressors! Why get strong, just beg and praise.

3. You said: "So, if the turn-out is large, there is no way for AN to win but by a vast fraud. "

So, you're a sore loser even before you lose?

Okay,.ALL,.since.Parham.won't.read.my.posts..

because,.although.I.am.doiing.my.very.best,.he.finds.them.

"annoying. and.impossible"(sound.like.anyone.you.know?).I.shall.

try.to.go.to.the.library.next.time.but.speak.frankly.about.him.

now. HEED.MY.WORDS.

_____________________________________

PARHAM.DOES.THIS.TO.EVERY.SINGLE.GODDAM.THREAD.HE.DOES

N'T. LIKE..HE.HIJACKS.THEM.HE.IS.JUST.LIKE.MAHMOOD..He.is.a.

fillibusterer..

___________________________.

The.election.is.tomorrow..We.ALL.from.DK.to.Mammad.to.

Jaleho.have.far.more.important.things.to.do.

_______________________________________--

.EVEN.YOU.FARA.RUSTA..He.HIJACKED.Delara's.Iranian.of.the.

Day.thread.the.day.she.died.to.ARGUE.with.the.mourners.about.

whether.they.should.be.mourning..because..she.was.not..Osanloo...

or.the.Evin.blogger. boy..

Enough!!

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All Right Here is to Big Boy's Dream ...

Since I myself am a Dreamer, this will be my small contribution to fullfilling your Dream ...

That's ONLY Because I AM A GOOD SPORT !

MOMENTARILY THAT IS ... LOL

VIVE LE ROI Nevertheless ;0))

Midwesty

In their debates with AN and in their rallies how many times did Mousavi, Karroubi, and Rezaaee talk about Iran's very negative international image? How many times did they talk about Iran's isoltation? How many times did they criticize AN's foreign policy? And, what is the root cause of all that? What AN has said regarding the Holocaust, Israel, and so on. That is the relation.

Mammad

Rosie

Yes, Brigadier General Yadollah Javani, the political director of the Sepaah, did make the threat. He is one of the radicals who writes in the internal Bulletin of the Sepaah, and also in Sobh-e Saadegh (True Dawn), the weekly distributed in the armed forces. In one of my article on //Tehranbureau.com about the elections I discussed him and what he been saying.

Sepaah is worried about the huge demonstrations in large cities that may get out of control, the symbolism of green for Mousavi campaign, and Ahmadinejad's possible loss. Right now the only way he can win is by a vast fraud, as everybody agrees that the turn-out will be at least 80%. The right wing has a fixed fraction of the votes cast, about 15% of the eligible voters. One can add another 10% to it from small villages. So, if the turn-out is large, there is no way for AN to win but by a vast fraud. If they are tempted to pull that off, I am almost sure there will be huge riots.

This has been a pattern over the last 2-3 years, ever since Major General Mohammad Ali Jafari became the overall commander of the Sepaah. He has frequently talked about the "internal threats," by which he of course means anyone or any group that opposes AN and his supporters.

Mammad

Captain/Rosie/Big Boy

Re Hitler -- Go read my posts again, I talk about the Third Reich. Hitler's party was elected, he was head of the party. The Third Reich therefore came to power through election somewhere. Now Hitler was a VERY popular man. And actually I'll add that there was a REASON for people to admire him, not like Mousavi and Khatami and the rest who actually just jump into popularity nobody knows why.
Again, if you asked the people who are tearing themselves apart for Mousavi in the streets who he is two months ago, most wouldn't be able to tell you.
And Captain, it wasn't Ahmadinejad I was comparing to Hitler, it was the system to the Reich. They're BOTH dictatorships.

Rosie
It was very annoying trying to read what you used to write before (in fact, I stopped reading after a point), but now it's annoying and impossible with all the periods you leave between words! So forget it, I'm not even going to try.

Mammad,

Why the subject of Isreal has anything to do with Iranian election? For what I know from Iranian people, they don't give it a rat's ass if electing the new president makes Israel or even US happy or not.

Cap'n.no.I.didn't.know.but.now.I.do..

if.someone.could.lend.me.some.money.to.get.the.damn.thing.fixed.

before.my.check.comes.I'll.have.it.done.tomorrow.

LOL

ps>Cap'n,.but.you.have.to.admit.that.even.with.astigmatism.the.

pink.hijab.girl.is.cute..She's.a.Turkish.catalogue.model..LOL

Darius loooooooool

That was awesome man, right in  time , Excellent pick.

-YT

HEIL MYSELF ;0)

Hee Hee Poor Mahmoud ...

Rosie Rosie Rosie Rosie

June harchi marde[For Gods sake] fix that space bar. Don't you know that I have astigmatism?

-YT

Mammad,.ALL,.Jaleho..

Ah,.funny!..Mammad.popped.up.on.this.thread.just.when.I.quoted.

him.from.his.post.on.the.same.thread.I.was.just.about.to.send.him,which.

was.Jaleho's. thread,.from.way.backin.April.And.now.Jaleho.

just.popped.up.here.too..Hi,.Jaleho..:o)

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ACTUALLY..ALL,.Mammad.always.gives.me.quite.a.mouthful.to.chew.

on,and.toward.the.end.of.Jaleho's.thread,.link.below,.he.gave.me.

the. most.detailed.and.interesting.analysis.of.the.history.of.IRI.

elections .I'd.ever.read.

I.thought.it.makes.good.reading.for.anyone.and.it's.so.topical.now. 

//iranian.com/main/blog/jaleho/alternative-iran-policy-advice-obama

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But.also.Mammad,.I.just.wanted.to.let.you.know.that.I.did.answer.

that.post.on.that.thread,.but..that.time.it.was. you,.not.me,who.

forgot.to.reply..lol.It's.usually.me..So.just.to.let.you.know.

my.post.is.there.at.the.very.end.of. Jaleho's.thread..No.rush.

.whatsoever..but.I'll.lefinitely.ook.at.the.link.you. .posted.me.

below.here.tonight..Thanks.so.much.as.usual,.Mammad.

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Dear Forgetful

Don't get way too excited, who denied that IR is a dictatorship? Or is it you only read what you want to?

But you guys need to make up your minds which one is the Hitler, Khamenie? Ahmadinejad? or Mousavi?

Besides Khamenie did not make Iran de facto dictatorship I believe it was Khomeini who made Iran TRUE BLUE dictatorship, or is it TRUE GREEN dictatorship?

Thanks for sea of knowledge you provided...  ;-)

-YT

!

look what cat dragged in!

Farah, ghoooz be shaghigeh che rabti dareh? although in your case it is a direct connection mage na?

P/S We love you too ;-)

-YT

So Hitler was appointed but Mosaddeq was elected?

Capt_Wikipedia_is_my_only_source_ayhab (aka Yahya T)

You may need to add to your Wikipedia knowledge that the process of becoming a chancellor in Germany in 1933 was to appoint the leader of the elected party (ies) of majority (if a coalition was at work) as the chancellor. So he (Hitler) who was the leader of the elected coalition when he was appointed chancellor as was the constitutional requirement.

Now, without  going to your Wikipedia website would you please tell us how was it that  Hitler who was at the time the leader of the majority party (which formed a coalition government) was appointed but Mohammad Mosaddeq who was not even leading a majority party was elected!!! 

 Please give us a source other thn Wiki :)

FR

Midwesty and anonymous8

What a revitalizing whiff of fresh air! (both of your posts midwesty)Thanks guys.

Parham,.could.you.please.contact.me.

at.my.account.here..just.click.on.my.blue.nameso.that.I.can.forward.y-you.themails.I.get.from.the.Komiteye.Hamahangi.and.the.Sub-Committee.to.Save.the.Haft.Tapeh.Union,.Leaders,.which.union,.as.

I'm.sure.you.know.is.being.entirely.decimated.

They.need.you.really.bad..And.they.are.abstentionist,.as.you.know,

Because.they're.part.of.the.Old.Left..Because.they.often.don't.get.

paid..

Shirin.Ebadi.didn't.she.just.come.out.abstentionist.again?.Maybe.her.

team's.involved.in.defending.them..and.i.bet.they.need..money...

damn.you.know.I.can't.even.read.the.Persian.e-mails.anymore..i.haven't.used.Persian.in.several.years.,

Maybe.you.could.sometimes.translate.for.me..i.was.working.with.

them.They.need.to.do.much.more.outreach..But.the.English.alone.

really.wasn't.enough.

Please.let.me.know.

Thanks 

Anonym7

Absolutely (even the real one! There is an exception to everything!)

Mammad