M. Saadat Noury

چنین گفت جهانشاه به گرد آفرید

چنین گفت جهانشاه به گرد آفرید
     که ماساژم بده ور نپری

نبود معلوم حوصلش
گهی زین به پشت و گهی پشت بزین

هر که را از ننش قهر کرد
بشد مترجم و قاضی ال قضات

زمین تاخت و تاز کردی تارنما همچنین
که چون رستمی بر سر رخشمی

هی‌‌هات که از محنت دیگران بی‌ غمند
ولی‌ شاید بشد که نامشان نهند آدمی‌

چرا که خر تو خر بود تار نما
خر سوار گذاشت نام خود رستمی بر رخشمی 

Everything is sacred

برگ سبزی است تحفۀ درویش، چه کند بینوا ندارد بیش!

با عرض معذرت از محضر آقای دکتر سعادت نوری و سایر ادبا که سرودن را بلدند. من فقط برای گل روی آقای جی جی و آقای دکتر خدمت رسیدم، وگرنه نیک میدانم که شعر سرودن نمیدانم.

روز اول بخواندم او را"آقای جاوید"
بخندید و گفت: او مرا بود پدر!
سالها گذشت وبگفتم: خدایا بیامرزهم پور و هم پدر
که دادند ما را چنین بهره ای ز عقل و طنز و هنر

Dear TS

If you see my comment as a proof that I am getting personal, then it is better that we leave it here. Nothing personal, have your own interests and let others have theirs.

Divaneh

I was defending AO with his right to free speech. You can't pick and chose which topics are sacred and which persons are sacred on this site. And when did anyone seek conformity to his/her views? Unfortunately people got personal with AO and you also got personal. 

You have answered yourself TS

You are very right, no one is a judge here and no one should tell others what to do. Read your comments and you will see that you are criticizing people for writing or reading poetry. What is all this hoo haa about poetry now? I am not on a high horse nor as you assumed think that I am always right. We all have difference of opinions about the subjects at hand. That is different to criticising other for their interests or their selected form of communication. What have you or anyone else who may not like poetry have done that others haven’t? What is all this talk about poems not being practical? What is in this site that in your opinion is practical? We all have different tastes and interest. Anyone seeking conformity to his/her views is the true self-righteous. 

Dear Divaneh

خصم تیرآور اگر دم زند آماجش کن

بزنش کفتگی و چکمه ی مرحاجش کن

//www.loghatnaameh.com/dehkhodaworddetail-bce932a0d3234974afad6fe5f055d09e-fa.html

Thank God for double standards

I dont usually comment on poetry blogs but perhaps on this occasion we are using free speech to make a point. I recollect many do that in other blogs like Mr Ala?

And didn't AO post because he was mentioned in a comment here?

Divaneh, you are not the High Judge in this place. You are free like everyone else to give opinion here, but sometimes you use a very authoritative tone assuming your opinions are always right. You are human like the rest of us so get off that high horse.

Thanks God for Truthseeker

Or we had to search hard to find another translator for AO. I have a lot of respect for you and AO but your comments in this blog are extremely immature and no, there is no generation gap between us. What has it got to do with you that how Dr Saadat Noury or anyone else wishes to communicate here? You don't like poetry? Tough, don't read it. If you don't know it and you don't feel it, it is not for you. There are some people having fun and entertainment here and it is not for you or anyone else to do an Amre be Maroof and Nahye az monkar.

Dear Dr Saadat Noury, thanks for this fun exercise, pity it was spoilt by the time that I got here. Like you, I have great appreciation for what JJ has done and achieved in this site. Any fair person can see many years of devotion of hard work.

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برای همه ی ایرانیان

ای نکو ، ای شاعر ایرانیان
ای که آوردی سخن ها بر زبان
 گر که ایشان غایب است در این میان
باشد او را ، کارها در این جهان!

Dear Anahid

We think this is what Ostaad really meant 

جهانشاه : میازار موری که دانه کش است
که جان دارد و جان شیرین خوش است

جهانشاه جاوید هرکاری که کرد
نیابد توافق زما ، فرد فرد

BUT IT IS UP to OSTAAD to RESPOND

ای مهربان

بس نکو تو گفته ای ، ای مهربان
وین جهانشاه ، غایب است در این میان
از برای یک سپاس و امتنان

Truthseeker

I did not say don't attack or be in the face. I just said it is probably not going to make the person real popular. Make what you will out of it. I am tired of getting misunderstood. No more explanations. 

Yes AO has made insults and got insulted back. I posted a lot of non insults to his blog. Got no response. Obviously both sides are more interested in trading insults. Well IC is their place to got at it. I hope they have a great deal of joy.

By the way: This is the wrong blog for it so I am not going to spam it any more. It is not my place to wreck this blog with totally irrelevant discussions. Hence I am out of this blog for good.

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Very funny TS - 9 -

about the method of communication.  Reminds me of a movie, but can't think of the name.  Also, you are spot on here:

 Neither AO or I have been personal here, but expressed a view. I have seen you do the same with Islam,  Mohammed and Arabs among other things. NOTHING IS SACRED. I have read comments that are insults to AO, but noone seems to say anything. That is worse than expressing a view. 

How true.  I am being crucified for criticizing a poet.  Can you imagine?!!!  What other culture is like this?!!! 

dear Dr Noury

Is quoting poems your preferred method of communication or do you speak one to one with people as well? Does it feel safer?    :)

Dr Saadat Noury

Great syntheses :).  Thanks!

در جمع

تو ، ای مرد فرزانه ی روزگار
که آورده ای تار نمایی به بار

که نامش نهادی به ایرانیان
همان مردمی که به دانش نشان

همان مردمی که  آگاه نیست
ز سبز و سفید و ز سرخ
و تفسیر یک پرچمی در میان
همان مردم تازه ای چون بهار
گهی خوش مرام و گهی بی بخار
 
همان مردمی که شعر گویند همی
و یا فکر کرده ،  آدمی هستند همی

همان مردمی که درغرب مگس می پراندن همی
و نا آگه ز ایران زمین، نداشتن  هیچ درد و غمی

بی خبر ز دنیا  چپ و راست کامنت دهند
سوار بنز نو ، سر وسینه زنند و گریبان درند

جهان ، عرصه ی  کارزار توست
شه و شیخ ، بر سر خوان توست

همه جمله گویند مدح شاه جهان
که جاوید و پاینده باد آن قهرمان

همان مردمی که دور از میهن اند
خاموش ، در باتلاقِ  مرگ و شیون اند

جهان را گشایم ز شیلی تا ایسلند
جهانشاه بودم ولی‌ نه جاوید شاه

ای جهان هرچه هست از قامت ناساز ماست
ورنه تشریف تو بر بالای کَس کوتاه نیست

جهانشاه : میازار موری که دانه کش است
که جان دارد و جان شیرین خوش است

جهانشاه جاوید هرکاری که کرد
نیابد توافق زما ، فرد فرد

سر ی پر ز شور و دلی‌ پر ز مهر
خدایا به کامش به گردان سپهر

و بعد از خدا تو باشی‌ امیدِ  ما
روزِ  ما ، شبِ  ما ، چشم و چراغِ  ما

درود و سپاس است بر مردمان
که گفتند اشعار نغز و روان

VPK

I didnt want to come back to this blog, but what you said needs a response. People take certain things like religion, politics and even poetry very seriously and do get insulted if those things are criticised. Neither AO or I have been personal here, but expressed a view. I have seen you do the same with Islam,  Mohammed and Arabs among other things. NOTHING IS SACRED. I have read comments that are insults to AO, but noone seems to say anything. That is worse than expressing a view. 

Dear Truthseeker9

I know what you are saying and that is fine. However there are many ways of getting your point across. Being "in your face" is not always most productive". When people feel attacked the go on defense. It is a normal human reaction. Nothing Iranian or Muslim about it. We have been programmed with it very early on. Therefore you see the results right here on IC. I suggest trying it with any group. Go to a bar and insult the heck of out them. I guarantee you won't do well. 

The same goes with any other group in the world. Iranians here have actually been pretty tame in their response to attacks I have seen far worse on other blogs...

You got to realize it is humans you are dealing with.

I know

look at Somalia for example!

//www.somaliculture.net/poems/index.html 

Anyway, don't mean any insult but many people feel that way. Sorry, I'm out of here ...

Mehrban jaan other cultures burst into poetry too!

They actually are more "advanced" than us and gather in nice restaurants like Busboy & Poets and drink wine or beer (ala Hafez ;-) and cite poetry!

Everything is sacred

I doubt it

With respect, there are more precious things to do in a day than to think "how it will rhyme" or evoke "an emotion". Sorry but that is truly how many practical people see it.

Thank you TS-9 Jaan for explaining the point for the millionth

time.  But don't expect some to get it though.  Some people just foam at the mouth when they see something that they don't like and they just attack, attack and attack.  Not much you can do about it.

"Do you see other cultures bursting into poetry, or the need .."

Maybe they would, if they had our poetry ;).

dear All-Iranians

I am sure your JJ appreciates all your efforts and praise and will think highly of you for it. Your great deed of the day.

//uk.lifestyle.yahoo.com/do-your-good-deed-for-the-day.html 

To AO, Truthseeker9, & VPK

Ali A Parsa wrote it right

جهانشاه جاوید هرکاری که کرد

نیابد توافق زما فرد فرد

dear VPK

It is just not my interest, but am happy to see people enjoying themselves. But I do not think anyone needs to be qualified to appreciate poetry or see nonsense praised as "artistic". 

I think too often people miss AO' points because he has a "hit them in the face" approach to truth. He is not saying he does not appreciate poetry, but that  too much emphasis is put on poetry in our culture. Some people cannot even express themselves unless it rhymes, or think it is better to say it that way! What does it say about us? Do you see other cultures bursting into poetry, or the need to at every opportunity? I mean each to its own, but people do notice! What is the crime in expressing this point of view? Dont shoot the messenger folks. 

TS-9 jaan - good advise, although I have to say that I do have

a penchant for crashing parties.  Plus, I'm trying to improve my understanding of poetry through some rather unorthodox means.  

:-))))

I really think though that could be a generational gap issue.   

Dear Truthseeker9

Good advise and that is why I keep off poetry blogs for most part. I am not qualified to comment. I know Farsi and Middle Persian but am too much of a "left brain" kind to really be able to appreciate poetry which is a big loss to me.