M. Saadat Noury

Did someone say that Mash Ghasem is blocked?

آن صداها به کجا رفت
صداهای بلند
گریه ها قهقه ها
آن امانت ها را
آسمان آیا پس خواهد داد؟
پس چرا حافظ گفت
آسمان بار امانت نتوانست کشید؟
...
نعره "مش قسم"
بر سر چوبه دار
به کجا رفت کجا؟
به کجا می رود آه
چهچه گنجشک بر ساقه باد؟
...
آسمان آیا
این امانت ها را
باز پس خواهد داد؟

شفیعی کدکنی، با دخل و تصرف

Dear Anglophile,

I hope my comment to you did not convey anything less than utmost respect from me to you.  Your keen sense of humor is a testament to your inteligence and your self deprecation to your self confidence.  Your comment asking mash ghasem to stay is one of my most cherished stories of IC. When I said "I am sure you miss him too" I meant it. 

Thank you for two very kind and genuine notes to me.

Dear Mehrban

ور به حق گفت جدل با سخن حق نکنیم

I am convinced that Hafez must be taught in the same spirit of non confrontation. It was his own very wish that 'love' should never cause despair.

چون هنرهای دگر موجب حرمان نشود

Now you know why I feel sad.

God bless you all and  I sincerely hope our friend Mash Ghasem can come back soon. I have  bucketfulls of water to give him :) 

With apologies to Dr Nouri for the diversion from the main topic. 

Dear HFB & Dear Mehrban

Thank you for your notes; please accept this in return

//iranian.com/main/blog/m-saadat-noury-175

PS: Thanks also go to Anglophile and AI for their notes of advice and recommendations.

Hello Anglophile jaan

That is such a kind note.  I just meant to move on from this thread and the specific topic of that comment.  I am not leaving the site.  You are stuck with me here for a while longer.

Anglophile jaan, I hardly ever press the reply botton when I respond to other bloggers in case they want to make changes or corrections but I was really tempted to press the reply botton on your comment so you could never change what you have written here about me :).   

A friend of mine, a classic movie buff had rented Gunga Din the other day and I told him your story of Gunga Din with Mash Ghasem and your plea to Gonga Din's life for Mash Ghasem not to leave, we laughed a lot about it.

Alas, Mash Ghasem and all his other alter egos have been blocked, I miss him as I am sure you do too.  

"Gunga Din", hmmmm, is that the same "Din" as in Shams el "Din"?! How about that?!  

Thank you so much for your kindness and your concern. 

- Dear Dr. Saadat Noury please please forgive my indescretions on your valuable thread. 

Jenab Anglophile

You are right and you made very good advice. We also like Mehrban and Hafez for Beginners listen to this

آشتی //www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ha34QuUtzs

I am deeply saddend

با دوستان مروت با دشمنان مدارا 

I rest my case. 

It is time to move on

I have nothing against self taught people as I know many are quite learned.  It is remarkable how so little interest you have shown in actually undersatandng this verse of Hafez discussed on the thread.

You have distorted my comment here which in itself discredits you and you keep bobbing and weaving.  I will not comment in your blogs as I do not believe you are interested in an intelligent and critical discussion.  You often make generalized comments,  throw tantrums, create drama, play victim or name drop. 

As an examlpe, you came into this blog saying the content of the discussion gives you a headache (your word).  For someone who calls herself a Teacher of Hafez that is laughable.  I will not discuss anything of substance with you because I have come to believe it would be a colossal waste of time.  I have already said more than enough here, it is time for me to move on. 

Jenab Dr Noury

Thank you for the links to the "youtube". You may also like to view these links

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=uleJEonj3Ic and

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbHgdb5afJs

Dear HFB & Dear AI

Thank you for your excellent informative comments; please accept these links in return //www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cTBtLjMeAI and //www.youtube.com/watch?v=_w76xz8OXkk

بارکشی امانت

ازعهدبستن الله با آدم ظلوم وجهول وبارکشی امانت تا انسان عاشق ( حافظ ) که برضد بارکشی امانت هست
حافظ، ازرخ ِاندیشهِ زیبا ، نقاب را میگشاید
//www.farhang-asil-iran.com/051011_1/

smear campaign

M. Saadat Noury: My apologies for filling up your space with this final note to Mehrban. Again, M. Saadat Noury, this was a fun and informative Blog, thank you 

Mehraban: You smear campaign is gettting tiring. My program has had the stamp of approval from the head of 1.  Georgetown University's Persian Dept., 2. a prominent scholar at University of Maryland's Persian Dept. and above all - 3. from the daughter of Malek-O'Shoara -yeh Bahar who attends regularly and I will quote from below. You're sounding like those politicans who just throw labels, name call - and don't substantiate. Your only claim is that I'm self-taught. Come and point to "distortions"  on the Blog.  You can't have it bothways - it's the height of unethical behavior - name-calling without substantiating, I'm sure as an educated person you'd agree, and I can only hope this is a simple, explanable error. Again, I do continue to extend an invite to you to come and share your views on my Blog.

"An Enchanting Afternoon with Hafez":

Jenab Dr Noury

Thank you for the correct text of the poem by Eghbal Lahoori.

همه ی ایرانیان گرامی

با سپاس ودر پاسخ ، متن دقیق تر سروده ی اقبال لاهوری  را که نقل فرموده بودید ، تقدیم می دارد:

خیال من به تماشای آسمان بود است
 بدوش ماه به آغوش کهکشان بود است
 گمان مبر که همین خاکدان نشیمن ماست
 که هر ستاره جهان است یا جهان بود است
 به چشم مور فرومایه آشکار آید
 هزار نکته که از چشم ما نهان بود است
 زمین به پشت خود الوند و بیستون دارد
 غبار ماست که بر دوش او گران بود است ...: اقبال لاهوری

آی آدم ها...بار امانت راکه یادتان هست

//www.ba2inam.ir/post/tag/%D8%AE%D8%AF%D8%A7

از اولش هم آسمان بار امانت نتوانست کشید بود

//vi.sualize.us/view/b57788d84f24fda1e4f6b58afa5db1d7/

توانِ جلیلِ به دوش بردنِ بارِ امانت

This is a note to thank HFB, Ari, and AI for their very informative comments. Please accept this poem in retuen

 انسان زاده شدن تجسّدِ وظیفه بود:
توانِ دوست‌داشتن و دوست‌داشته‌شدن
توانِ شنفتن توانِ دیدن و گفتن توانِ اندُهگین و شادمان‌شدن
توانِ خندیدن به وسعتِ دل، توانِ گریستن از سُویدای جان
توانِ گردن به غرور برافراشتن در ارتفاعِ شُکوهناکِ فروتنی
توانِ جلیلِ به دوش بردنِ بارِ امانت
و توانِ غمناکِ تحملِ تنهایی
تنهایی تنهایی تنهایی عریان.
انسان
دشواری وظیفه است.

 احمد شاملو

//www.shamlou.org/index.php?q=node/306

قلم ، بار امانت بود

قلم ، بار امانت بود ؛ و شاعر
پذ یرفت ؛ و رقم بسـیار می زد
ولیکن ، درد _ بیدردی، همیشه
مجیزی ، بادمیکرد؛ بار می زد
زبانی را که درد مردمش نیست
چه می ارزد؟ الهی مار می زد!

محمد حسن صباغ کلات
//www.shereno.ir/16756/16377/143742.html

مراد ازبار امانت

بار امانت: مراد از امانت تکلیف و عهد و پیمان الهی است.

//fa.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D9%88%D8%A7%DA%98%DA%AF%D8%A7%D9%86_%D8%B9%D8%B1%D9%81%D8%A7%D9%86%DB%8C

بار امانتی به زمان هدیه می کنند

بار امانت
 
سکوت صخره ها؛ آبستن طنین ضربه هاست
به فراسوی پیوندها نقب می زنم
و دختران شکیبای درد
مرا به پیوند فراسوی ماسکها ریشه می دوانند
دستی با قلب ستاره
دستانی با تموج نور
همواره صخره وار
بار امانتی به زمان هدیه می کنند
ما در کجای این همه در راهیم؟
قاسم حسن نژاد

//www.jasjoo.com/books/new-poems/ghasem_hassannejad/131/3865

Great blog!

Thank you Dr. Saadat Nouri for this collection of profound verses.

For me, Mehrban's Koran reference cracks  the "baar e amanat" code satisfactorily. There is no contradiction with this and the eshg interpretation, particularly when eshgh is freed from the bounds of consciousness. In the Koran verse God offers free will to everything, even mountains and the sky on the promise that when as a result disobedience becomes possible, they continue to respect the order of the universe (His will). The amanat is preserving creation as God gave it to us--just and orderly. Only the idiot human accepted this ta'ahod. But how is it possible to ask inanimate things like the mountain and the sky to choose when nothing has free will yet? The clue is in another koran verse: " And there is not a thing
except that it exalts [ Allah ] by His praise, but you do not
understand their exalting." Surah al-isra verse 44.  This unfathomable praise is eshgh free of thought, emotion,  or consciousness. All it requires is being. Taking it even further as some have, eshgh does not even require being:

عاشقان را کار نبود با وجود

عاشقان را هست بی سرمایه سود

Hafez for Beginners -Distorting comments and Ideas

It is in this very blog that you have blatantly distorted my comment which has conveniently been flagged and gotten deleted.   I generally do not comment in blogs where the writer has demonstarted little if any intellectual honesty and/or ethical reliability.  

2 Book Recommendations

M. Saadat Nouri: Thanks for sharing Shahriari's link. He's done a great service to both Hafez and Rumi, with rather delicate translations. In general, of the dozens of books on Hafez in my collection, I'm finding the best translations to often be from those of Iranian heritage themselves. I also highly recommend: "Hafez: Teachings of the Philosopher of Love" - by Pourafzal and Montgomery." Also "The Poems of Hafez" - by Ordoubadian. This is a fascinating truth that Dr. Karimi Hakkak of UMD  pointed out to a crowd of us here in Washington a couple of years ago - that in the past, translations as well as Persian Departments in the US were the domain of Americans. The revolution has caused a "change" with Iranians themselves often heading such Departments, as well as contributing to volumes of translations. The two I quoted we use extensively in my program and the Pourafzal one has especially exquitiste commentary that I wanted to recommend to your audience. Thanks again for this journey on this Blog.

Mehrban: I generally try to stick to the original Blogger's subject of interest - in this case, M. Saadat Nouri's Blog. I would like to suggest discussing me, or my "distortions" of Hafez, not on someone else's Blog, but with the rest of the crowd posting on my own Hafez Blog. Thank you in advance.

Replies

Thank you all dear friends (HFB, AI, MBN, and Anahid) for your thoughtful comments. In return, please accept the English Version of the poem composed by Hafez:

The earth and the skies could not keep this trust of the clock
Yet the poor insane me was stuck with such tough luck.
//www.hafizonlove.com/divan/04/184.htm

this one is very nice

تو عاشق باش ، تا عاشق شناسی
وفا کن ، تا ببینی با وفایی
نپذرفت آسمان ، بار امانت
که عاشق بود و ترسید از خطایی : مولوی

قابل تعمق: «نتوانست کشید» است

//www.alimohammady.com/weblog/

این امانت همانا "گوهر محبت" هست

توی کتاب حافظ نامۀ بهاءالدین خرمشاهی خوندم که این امانت همانا "گوهر محبت" هست که در صدف امانت پیچیده شد و در دل انسان به ودیعه نهاده شد
//www.avaxnet.com/archive/index.php/thread-41495.html

Hafez for Beginners -Distorting comments and Ideas

As you often distort Hafez's verses,  you have also distorted my comment (original of which has been deleted).  What Hafez for Beginners has written as a comment of mine is a distortion of the original comment.  She either does not understand what she reads or she intentionally distorts what has been written.

اما انسان، این بار را بر دوش کشید

//www.aftabir.com/articles/view/religion/religion/c7c1257687993_quran_p1.php/%D8%A2%D8%B3%D9%85%D8%A7%D9%86-%D8%A8%D8%A7%D8%B1-%D8%A7%D9%85%D8%A7%D9%86%D8%AA-%D9%86%D8%AA%D9%88%D8%A7%D9%86%D8%B3%D8%AA-%DA%A9%D8%B4%DB%8C%D8%AF

"Attar"

Anglophile: Thanks for the question and with MSN's permission, I'll answer it here on his blog: of course we discuss the "meaning" of the verse, even reference other poets who may have brought up a similar imagery and verse.  But that's only the first step. Staying in "study" mode isn't why the students come, and the class then goes on to then encourage the students to savor the aquired verse - and there are many techniques that are used to render the process effective. Hope this helped.

M. Saadat Nouri: Guess what? I'm going to a catholic church wedding this weekend in London, and had been asked to do a Persian "Reading." The church asks you to do a piece from an original author - and mine is from "Attar" so, super spooky that he's my gift here, thank you!! (You might know the story of the girl who falls into a river and is saved by her beloved.)