Mona Tahiri

Good to know I'm being ignored

Shutruk, you seem to be incapable of understanding that the notion of the British or Zionists backing, creating, or whatever else they've been alleged of doing vis-a-vis the Baha'is is both untenable and utterly reprehensible. Allow me to bring some documented research to this effect to the playing field:

There have been claims that the Bábí movement was started by the British, and that the Bahá'í Faith has ties to British imperialism; the connection to the British, however, has also been supported by false evidence. Firaydun Adamiyyat, in a biography on Nasser-al-Din Shah's first Prime Minister Amir Kabir, stated that Mulla Husayn, the Báb's first disciple, was really a British agent who was recruited by Arthur Conolly, a British intelligence officer, explorer and writer. Adamiyyat states that the evidence of such an accusation appears in Conolly's book Journey to the North of India Overland from England through Russia, Persia, and Affghaunistaun, but no mention of Mulla Husayn or the Báb appears in the book. In later editions of Adamiyyat's biography on Amir Kabir, the fabrication has been removed.

Don't believe me? Do what I did and READ the editions of Adamiyyat's book! The proof is right there in the pudding.

Accusations of ties to the British also arise from the knighting in 1920 of `Abdu'l-Bahá, then head of the religion, by the British Mandate of Palestine. `Abdu'l-Bahá, however, received this award in recognition of his humanitarian work in Palestine during the war. That's been cited both orally at the knighthood itself and in writing, which I have found through the efforts of independent researchers at archival buildings in England. I can provide you with these documents that prove this point if necessary.

Moreover, in light of the documented evidence that I have, the assertion of you and your ilk that `Abdu'l-Baha's knighthood was an act of favor toward `Abdu'l-Baha that somehow implied mischevious political relations is nothing more than livid speculation devoid of even the most remote trace of viable historicity. It is emotionally charged balderdash.

And what is this "divide and rule" nonsense anyhow? How on earth can you take the political climate of 19th-century Persia, a time when Persia was indeed part of the "great game", to the status quo, more than a century later when Iranian politics and the situation of the world (i.e. the abolition of "empires") has completely changed since then?

Moving on. Bahá'ís have also been accused of ties to Zionism, a movement that calls for the self-determination of the Jewish people and a sovereign, Jewish national homeland. This claim is typically advanced is by noting that the most holy shrines of the Bahá'ís are located in current-day Israel. However, Bahá'u'lláh was banished from Persia by Nasser-al-Din Shah, at which time Bahá'u'lláh went to Baghdad in the Ottoman Empire. Later he was later exiled by the Sultan of the Ottoman Empire, at the behest of the Persian Shah, to territories further away from Iran and finally to Acre in Syria, which only a century later was incorporated into the state of Israel. Bahá'u'lláh died in 1892 near Acre, and the resting place is in Bahji. Following his death, Bahá'u'lláh's son `Abdu'l-Bahá took over the leadership of the religion until his passing in 1921, and he is buried in Haifa, which was then in Palestine. Another important figure for Bahá'ís who is buried in current-day Israel is the Báb, whose remains were secretly transferred to Palestine and buried in Haifa in 1909. Israel was not formed until 1948, almost 60 years after Bahá'u'lláh's death, 40 years after the Báb's remains were brought to the region, and 27 years after `Abdu'l-Bahá's death.

More recently, there have been accusations that the Bahá'ís support Israel because they send fund contributions to the Bahá'í World Centre which is located in northern Israel. The donations are used in the Bahá'í World Centre for upkeep of the Bahá'í properties, as well as the administration of the worldwide Bahá'í community. The National Spiritual Assembly of the Bahá'ís of Iran in a 1983 letter to the Iranian government stated that while Muslims were praised for sending money out of the country to Iraq and Jerusalem for the upkeep of their religious shrines, when Bahá'ís sent money for the upkeep of their own shrines it was considered an unforgivable sin. 

It is a really, nasty and vicious plot to corrupt the Islamic world and spirituality in general with the "teachings" of an egomaniac. We saw other cults emerge in the 19th and early 20th century like "Pak Din"

Oh yes, because the tenets of Pak Din really didn't pale in comparison to ideals such as the equality of men and women, the elimination of all forms of prejudice, and the need to apply spiritual solutions to economic problems. That's why you still see ardent followers of Ahmad Kasravi around today. Oh, wait.

Bahaism is worse than scientology and mormonism

It is a really, nasty and vicious plot to corrupt the Islamic world and spirituality in general with the "teachings" of an egomaniac. We saw other cults emerge in the 19th and early 20th century like "Pak Din".

There is no doubt that the British and Zionists hope that Bahaism can undermine Islam - it is a fifth column designed to sabotage the Islamic world from within as part of a game of divide and rule.

My experience of Bahais is they try and appear really pleasant and kind to your face but will stab you in the back like the worst "hoqqebaz" if you let your guard down. Trust me, I KNOW BAHAIS.

Thank you for invitation Nadeem Khan

>> I will advice you to return to your home in Iran and take some rest there. If you want - tell me I will ask some of my friends (Mullas) to admit you in any good Hawza in Qom where you will have no work and the people of WF will give you money to spend your life in peace <<

 Thank you for the kind invitation.  I am honored by your kindness.  I am saddened to inform you that I will not be able to make it at this time, God willing I will visit you in this earthly plane in the future.  I will, in the meantime, manifest myself to you in a dream and shower upon you my love, and summon you to return to the Celestial Abode of Nothingness.

"And should the servant ascend to even loftier heights, quit this mortal world of dust, and seek to ascend unto the celestial abode, he will then pass from this city into the City of Absolute Nothingness, that is, of dying to self and living in God." - Blessed Beauty, Baha'u'llah

Nadeem Khan Joonam Azizam Ghorbooneh Shoma Bemeeram

Azizam, Listen to me closely, our hearts beat at once.

  Yes! with most Certainty (Iqan).  Please read the book "the Grand Design" by Doctor Stephen Hawking.  Your god does not exist, he is only a fabrication of your own mind.

Nadeem Khan Joonam Azizam Ghorbooneh Shoma Bemeeram

Azizam, Listen to me closely, our hearts beat at once.

You Wrote:  >>  BAHA'U'LLAH CREATED THE UNIVERSE, So I asked you some questions, What I understood from your point was that he created universe so he is God or something like that :)  <<

Yes! with most Certainty (Iqan).  Please read the book "Grand Design" by Doctor Stephen Hawking.  Your god does not exist, he is only a fabrication of your own mind.

Muscle Joon

You did not get my question Joon. This is the effect of Ruhi Books that your mind is thinking in a Ruhi-ized Baha'i Way.

YOU SAID - BAHA'U'LLAH CREATED THE UNIVERSE,

So I asked you some questions, What I understood from your point was that he created universe so he is God or something like that :)

Although you are not a right person whom questions should be asked. Because Ayat'u'lBaha Mr. Adib Masumian failed you. According to him your Ideas are not proper and you are misinterpreting the religion of Baha. Do you know Adib? He is considered a Scholar by the people of your (united?) community?

My Questions were :

IF HE CREATED UNIVERSE THEN WHO CREATED BAHA'U'LLAH?

If he created the universe, then he also created everything in it, that means he created Subh-i-Azal also, who later poisoned him?

It means Baha'u'llah is himself the cause of his poisoning?

I am not talking about the love that Baha'u'llah had for Subh-i-Azal, right! Do you get me?

Secondly : About Malik-i-yawm-id-deen

You wanted to say that he is Lord Krishna whom the Hindus are awaiting, Imam Mahdi whom the moslems are awaiting and so on and so forth... I know all that, right!

He was supposed to bring the peace to this world.

On 12 Nov Baha'i International Community Inc. with registered trademarks will celebrate the 193rd birthday of their God (Manifestation).

In a span of 193 or whatever years where is peace? in Los Angeles?

When is the peace going to come ? after 1000 years?

In this short / long period Baha'i Community is struggling to keep / retain its followers who are "exiting by troops" in every country. There is corruption among baha'is everywhere. In the name of religion there are election frauds in every community. Groupism and jelousy is everywhere. Nowadays many Baha'is are against the Stalinist Administrative system.

The division among the Baha'is is a known fact. The court fight for the use (misuse) of Registered Religious Symbols is known to everybody. Is this what Lord Krishna or Buddha or Imam Mahdi or Jesus or any other true saviour was awaited? Was he awaited to register the Religious Symbols?

Today after 193 years after the birth of Mr. Baha'u'llah, majority of the world does not even know his name, keep aside his dreams of Universal Government.

90% of the Israelis do not know Mr. Baha'u'llah and  Mr. Bob who are buried there. Even many Haifans do not know them. Do you know this?

I will advice you to return to your home in Iran and take some rest there. If you want - tell me I will ask some of my friends (Mullas) to admit you in any good Hawza in Qom where you will have no work and the people of WF will give you money to spend your life in peace (?) ;-) (Just Joking)

Take Care

Allah'u'Abho

(God is the all glorious)

Malik Yawm al-Din

  For over 1000 years Muslims have, every day, prayed to MALIK Yawm al-Din (The Absolute Soveriegn, All-Possessing Who has sole authority over of Day of Judgement) to appear.  Muslims also say that they will see MALIK in the Hereafter.

  In the Bahá'í prayer, however, now we say:“Lo, the All-Possessing (MALIK) IS COME. Earth and heaven, glory and dominion are God’s, the Lord of all men, and the Possessor of the Throne on high and of earth below!”

Why Bahaullah was poisoned by his brother?

Hi Nadeem, thanks again for bringing attention to the Bahá'í plight in Iran and other Muslim countries.
You asked the question why Bahá'u'lláh permitted / or allowed HimSelf to be poisoned by His own brother who He HimSelf raised from an early age.
Bahá'u'lláh states:
The Ancient Beauty hath consented to be bound with chains that mankind may be released from its bondage, and hath accepted to be made a prisoner within this most mighty Stronghold that the whole world may attain unto true liberty. He hath drained to its dregs the cup of sorrow, that all the peoples of the earth may attain unto abiding joy, and be filled with gladness. This is of the mercy of your Lord, the Compassionate, the Most Merciful. We have accepted to be abased, O believers in the Unity of God, that ye may be exalted, and have suffered manifold afflictions, that ye might prosper and flourish. He Who hath come to build anew the whole world, behold, how they that have joined partners with God have forced Him to dwell within the most desolate of cities!
(Gleanings from the Writings of Bahá'u'lláh, XLV, p. 99-100)
My body hath endured imprisonment that ye may be released from the bondage of self. Set your faces then towards His countenance and follow not the footsteps of every hostile oppressor. Verily, He hath consented to be sorely abased that ye may attain unto glory, and yet, ye are disporting yourselves in the vale of heedlessness. He, in truth, liveth in the most desolate of abodes for your sakes, whilst ye dwell in your palaces.
(Tablets of Bahá'u'lláh, "Lawh-i-Aqdas", p. 12)
This is the price every Messenger has willingly paid for delivering the Message. This is how much they love us. This is, indeed, how much God loves us, for they are His hand outstretched, seeking to touch us and lead us home. Until we allow ourselves to be so touched, we will never find our home.

Baha'i World Government

//bahaism.blogspot.com/2010/01/bahai-world-co...

Future Baha'i Inspired Government in Iran

Dear VPOK, this is really interesting please read this. And this one is written by a Renowned Christian Missionary and not by Mahdi Daneshmand.

Baha'ism has set forth a system of civil government. Claiming to be
a revelation from God, it has enunciated the laws and regulations of
the future State. It approves of constitutional monarchy as the best
form of government, and permits republics. But this monarchy will be
limited not so much by its constitution as by the law of Baha'ism and
its hierarchy. Baha, in the "Kitab-ul-Akdas," the Book of Laws, directs
that Baitul Adl, houses of justice, be established in every place, with
nine or more members, all Baha'i men, who shall be Trustees of the
Merciful, Administrators for God. In the thirteenth, of the "Glad
Tidings" he says:

"The affairs of the people are placed in charge of the men of the
House of Justice. They are daysprings of command (divine agents,
representatives of God). They may execute what they deem advisable. It
is incumbent upon all to obey them. Their souls will be inspired with
divine aspiration. God will inspire them with what He willeth."

With them will lie the interpretation of points of doctrine. They
must decree and judge according to Baha'i revelation. "They must gaze
day and night towards that which hath been revealed from the horizon of
the Supreme Pen." They shall rule by divine right. Their authority
shall be absolute. Abdul Baha restates the words of Baha: [n 1 "The
House of Justice must be obeyed in all things." "It is the centre of
true government." "The Law of God will be invested in them, and they
will render decisions." "All judgment will be from the standpoint of
God's laws." "Its decisions and commands will be guarded from mistake.
It will have conferred upon it infallibility." The House of Justice
will have local councils, national ones, and an international one. Of
the latter, Abdul Baha said in an address in New York:

"A universal or world House of Justice shall be organized. That
which it orders shall be the Truth in explaining the commands of
Baha'u'llah and shall be obeyed by all. All men shall be under its
supervision."

Its functions are not confined to matters of faith, for Abdul Baha
continues: "The House of Justice is endowed with a political as well as
a religious aspect.

It embodies both aspects, and is protected by the preserving power
of Baha'u'llah himself." In the political aspect it will be supreme.
"The separation of the Religion and the State can only be temporary,"
says Dreyfus, "a momentary stage. For the present the two spheres are
separate. When Baha'ism triumphs they will be united." "The House of
Justice will have under its control almost the whole administration,
and naturally will take the place of our municipal councils. Such has
been Baha Ullah's intention. Further he clearly aims not only at a
municipal House of Justice, but also at a legislative one, sitting as a
national parliament and as an international tribunal." Remember that
all the members are to be Baha'is. So Remey says, "There will be a
union of Religion and the State -- the governments of the nations. The
material laws of men will be founded and enforced according to"
Baha'ism. In this politico-religious regime, the political will be
subject to the religious. "The kings and rulers of the world," says
Abdul Baha, "will find their true authority under the rulings of the
House of Justice. It will decide between kings and kings." Baha
addressed letters to kings with arrogant assumption of authority to
control the civil powers.

The Houses of Justice will have large financial powers. They shall
inherit all property of those dying without heirs, and one-third of
that of those dying childless. One-third of all fines for crimes shall
go to them. For example, in case of murder, two-thirds of the blood
money shall go to the family of the murdered and one-third to the House
of Justice. A tithe of nineteen-hundredths shall be given into their
hands. They shall act as trustees for minors and incapables, and as a
Poor Board.

They shall have civil jurisdiction, "to settle material difficulties
between believers," for the protection of men, for the preservation of
human honour. "If any man refuses to educate his children, the House of
Justice shall do it at his expense," and "shall order all the negligent
to pay" and use police powers to enforce it.

They must also interpret and administer criminal law, for Baha has
"revealed" a code of laws and regulations concerning material as well
as spiritual things. Abdul Baha says, "The revelations of Baha'u'llah
contain all the great laws of social government." "The laws cover all
points and questions of national administration." For example, in the
"Kitab-ul-Akdas," the punishment for theft is prescribed: for the first
offense, exile; for the second, imprisonment; for the third, branding
"thief" on the forehead, "lest other countries accept him." For
adultery a fine is to be paid to the House of Justice,

and for the second offense, double of the fine. Arson is made
punishable by burning, etc. This fiat legislation of Baha'u'llah is to
be imposed upon the parliaments of all nations. "All legislative and
administrative functions," says Dreyfus, "shall assume a sacred
character" under the control of the Baha'i House of Justice.

In brief, Baha'ism would set up in each town, in every country,
ruling councils, and a central one universal in its sway, composed
entirely of Baha'is, clothed with supreme authority, because God-given,
over kings, parliaments, and peoples; councils infallible and absolute,
superior to appeal or protest; deciding and exacting obedience in every
department of the life of humanity -- religious, domestic, social,
educational, financial, judicial, and political. It would be not an
imperium in imperia, but an Empire over all. It would be a priestcraft
[2] such as the world has not yet seen--a religious-political regime in
which kings and presidents will go not to Canossa but to Acca, and
alike hold the stirrups of Baha'i justices, and laws of parliaments
will be subject to revision and veto by the Baha'i House. In it is the
certainty of priestly oppression when fallible men set up their
judgment as God's. The Baha'is claim to have no priests and no
hierarchy. It is a question of names. Their system and laws contain the
real thing, full-fledged, men mediating God's will. We may call it a
Baha'iarchy, if they prefer.

Abdul Baha, recognizing the objections that will be made to the
political functions of the Baha'i justices, and foreseeing difficulty
with Governments, has, for the time being, directed that in America and
Europe the name "House of Spirituality" or "House of Consultation" be
used. But change of name does not alter the reality or change the
"revelation" of Baha. The House of Justice (central) is to be set up
when Abdul Baha dies, and it will assume its functions gradually as
opportunity and expediency demand. Already orders have gone forth
prohibiting the interpretation of the words of Baha or personal
expositions of them. Already the fiat has interdicted the publication,
by a Baha'i, of a tract, book, or translation on the Baha'i religion
without submitting it to the censor at Acca.

The effect of the working of the Baha'i system may be realized by
imagining it as set up in Persia. Suppose, for example, that the small
minority of Baha'is now in Persia should become a majority, with a
Baha'i Shah. Baha'ism would become the established religion. "Houses of
Justice" would come into operation. What of those who remain Moslems
and Christians? Fortunately Baha has abolished the law of the Bab that
required their expulsion from the chief provinces of Persia and the
confiscation of their property. But either the other religions must be
judged by Baha'i courts, or separate courts must be set up for them.
This would perpetuate the double system of courts, the urfi or civil
and the shari or religio-civil courts. The latter would be entirely
Baha'i and either lording it over or in conflict with the civil
administration. This would be a continuation of the present confusion
of Persian conditions, only with the Baha'is in control. What might the
minority expect? The oppressions and anathemas received by the old
Baha'is from the followers of Abdul Baha Abbas give the answer.
Fortunately for the world, the universal reign of Baha'ism is not to be
realized, neither is the prophecy of Abdul Baha to be fulfilled which
says "that the flag of Baha'u'llah will overcome every other flag and
all rulers will do homage to it."

Free Will response

Veiled Prophet, my friend:

I agree with your view of Free Will.  When I said that everyone is a Baha'i, I meant that the Essence of the Baha'i Faith is of the Essence of every human being, and really, all created things. 

People that do bad things are not essentially bad people (their essence is not made of an Evil entity).  All people are essentially Good people, and all creation is a manifestation of that which it is.  However, as you pointed out, some people do not CHOOSE to manifest that Goodness and instead become a source of Goodness' Absence.

When I refer to the Baha'i Faith, I am saying that the Essence of Baha'i has, in the "world of religion", manifested Itself as a religious organization.  But it is true that the Baha'i Faith is not another one of the religions, but rather a Faith of religionS.

"This faith bestoweth eternal life and this religion enableth mankind to
dispense with all else. It verily embraceth all faiths and all
religions." - Baha'u'llah //reference.bahai.org/en/t/b/TU/tu-5.html  

Thank you

Ali and Adib for your posts; I found them very helpful. It is very important that you have your say. 

There are people like me out there who know little about Bahai. Therefore you are going a good thing by clarifying things.

1) I obviously agree that not everyone is Bahai. Sure love may be a *requirement* of Bahai. However just having love does not make one Bahai.

2) It is possible that one day we have a world government. I hope it is not a religious one. There is no way to predict its form; whether it will happen or not. So I won't  try :-)

Nadeem, you're cynical, jaded, burnt out:your type of mentality

is precisely why the mullahs have lasted in Iran, as  long as they have.

So, here we have a political prisoner in Iran, but because you oppose how the leadership of the community behaves, in your eyes, she ( the political prisoners) basically deserves whatever she gets. Some logic.

But it doesn't end there, I become a Bahai in your eyes because I merely point out to such abuse and, in solidarity with all political prisoners in Iran, demand her immediate and unconditional release. So let me ask you something: when Ahmad Shamloo writes a poem on the resistance of  Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto, { Sorode Khoftegan, in "Ida in the mirror" } does he become a Jew? If we demand an end to religious and ethnic suppression of Baluchis in Iran, do we have to be Baluchis to do this?

You still have not answered two very, very simple questions:

1) Does the word and the concept of HAMBASTGY, solidairty, mean anything to you ( or you apply that only to ones who have 100% agreements with, and if that's the case: then what's the dif between you and mullahs?)

2) Why is reading a few lines of poetry proving to be so allergic for you, do you think Khoei is now also a Bahai?

Shotor divaneh: First of, my apologies to: our very own dear and sweet resident "Divaneh," and also to Mula Nasrdin's Shotor ( Mula might not be cool, but his camel is a noble animal). Unfortunately tis nobility  is lacking in you: Shotor: so where should you be exiled to, to have our sanity saved from your psychopathic language and thought?

I have nothing against Bahai

Bahia's are creating problems for them self. They go to Iran and try very hard to convert Iranians to Bahai religion. You cannot do that in a environment that is dangerous.

Several thoughts

VPK, you bring up several good points. Wanted to share several of my own thoughts:

1) Each Baha'i shares their own understanding about their Faith. Muscle Defender is sharing his own interpretation, as I will share my own understanding. Each person needs to read from the original source to come to their own independent determination. A good website is //reference.bahai.org

2) I am a Baha'i and I do not view everyone as being a Baha'i. We are all spiritual beings and religion provides the tool for that development. I believe that religions evolve and progress, addressing the spiritual and intellectual needs of an evolving world. One could actually view the seemingly different religions to be inspired by the same force with the purpose discussed above. We each have free choice to determine our individual path (whether it is in the form of a religion or philosophy).

3) The Baha'is do believe in the establishment of a world government. We do not know the shape it will take. The Baha'i writings talk about this, but this is something that will evolve in the future and will be determined by the governments of the world. Trying to understand a world government, would be like asking Europeans pre-WWI to envision the European Union. Also, to your other point, I do not know how religion will interact with government, in the future. This will be for the future generations to determine. All I know is that spiritual principles should impact the decisions governments make. These principles include justice, wisdom, compassion, etc.

4) Baha'is believe that in time, many people in the world will find the wisdom of Baha'u'llah's teachings. This will not be forced on anyone. In the Baha'i Writings, it is written that the Baha'i teachings will be "the last refuge of a tottering civilization". This clearly implies that many people will find the Baha'i teachings useful (whether or not they choose to be Baha'is). Humanity will look for many answers and in the end will find these teachings to be a blueprint, important for addressing the global problems and challenges. Again, it is very clear that this will not be forced on anyone.

5) There have been questions about the Baha'i attitudes towards Baha'i split-off groups. In the Baha'i Faith, sucession and leadership has been made very clear. The Baha'is follow the Universal House of Justice, which is democratically elected every 5 years. There have been many people that have tried to divide the Baha'i religion, either because they wanted to see it fall apart or because of their individual desire for power. Remember that the Baha'i faith is also an extremely young religion. Given the above, Baha'is are asked not to interact with split-off groups.

Hope this is useful. Thanks also for expressing your thoughts!

To Shutruk and VPK

Shutruk: 

It's time to give up those dated lies that nobody in their right mind would believe anymore. Please consult this e-book, available in both Persian and English, that refutes silly allegations like yours that have been rehashed by clerics and self-proclaimed "intellectuals" for decades now:

//www.bahai-library.com/masumian_debunking

VPK:

I am a Baha'i and disagree with muscle-defender. By no criterion do we consider everyone a Baha'i. As you said yourself, there are plenty out there who don't consider themselves Baha'is. I think muscle-defender has conflate Abdu'l-Baha's (Baha'u'llah's son) statement that "to be a Baha'i means to love the world" with the erroneous notion that everyone loves the world - a connection that is simply unfounded. Indeed, as you said free will is an important exercise of the human condition, something we firmly believe in and express through one of our key principles: the independent investigation of truth.

But going back to the idea of what constitutes a Baha'i. Baha'u'llah, in the very beginning of his book of laws (the Kitab-i-Aqdas), delineates two specific conditions upon which someone could be a Baha'i:

1. The person believes in Baha'u'llah and his message

2. The person follows agrees to follow the laws he has ordained

That's it. There's the criteria. If someone chooses to accept those two conditions, to the extent of my personal understanding, then they're a Baha'i. And I can guarantee you that this is the understanding of the majority of Baha'is. I doubt many, if any at all, would be apt to agree with muscle-defender's position that everyone, whether they want to be or not, is a Baha'i, since the Baha'i Faith is a religion at the end of the day, and religion is a matter of personal choice.

Muscle Joon

You said "All people are Bahais.  In fact, Baha'u'llah created the Universe."

THEN WHO CREATED BAHA'U'LLAH?

If he created the universe, then do you also believe that Baha'u'llah created Subh-i-Azal who poisoned him?

It means Baha'u'llah is himself the cause of his poisoning?

Why did Baha'u'llah poisoned himself?

Dear Muscle

I thank you for your compliments. It means that you don't need more.

Dear VPOK,

I totally agree with you.

As I said earlier that the teaching of Baha'u'llah are not bad but the Administrative Order is really very bad. As long as Baha'ism a
religion that is not imposed on everyone and is kept to a person himself, no
problem. Everybody has the right to choose his / her religion.

The only thing required from the Baha'is is sincerety.

The Baha'is should be sincere in all aspects. If their
religion teaches to shun somebody and claims itself to be the most
loving religion it is not good. Be sincere. Don't exaggerate your
numbers, tell the world that there are 100 bahai in so and so area. Don't tell there are 3 millions in India, .3 million in Iran, thousands in Russia. Please be honest.

When people tell you that there are election frauds in Baha'i community, accept it. Be honest.

There are financial scandals, accept them.

There is groupism in every baha'i assembly and community, accept that.

This is a humble request to all the Baha'i Counsellors / ABMs / ITC Members / UHJ members / Pioneers / Various Committe members.

Thank you Muscle Joon.

Take care, May Baha'u'llah (Your God) bless you.

Free Will

People have free will. That is our difference from a bunch of atoms. You may call it a soul or whatever. But free will gives us CHOICE. That means I get to pick what I believe in. 

You say Bahai love all people. So what if someone hates everyone. How could they be "Bahai'? 

If you open the definition to the point of including everyone, it loses its meaning. Anyway, you are free to believe whatever you wish. It does not change reality.

I believe what I chose and that's the way its gonna be.

Veiled Prophet, Brother

Dear Veiled Prophet,

Thank you for your constructive feedback.

You Wrote: >> Just because someone may love me does not make me one of them.<<

I beg to differ.  The essence of love is that we are one at the most fundamental level.  Biologically, we are one and you and I are both made of the same atoms, and we evolved from the same primitive organisms.  Spiritually, we are one and you and I are made of the Same spirit, and are manifestations of that ever unknowable Reality.

You Wrote: >> The ONLY way I will join a philosophy is by choice. By taking away that
choice you are discrediting your own religion. <<

The Faith of Baha'u'llah is not a philosophy, nor is it just another religion thrown into the mix of religions.  You have a choice to make up your own religion and your own philosophy.  You may choose to be an atheist.  The reality is that we are all brothers.

All people are Bahais.  In fact, Baha'u'llah created the Universe.

No

Dear Muscle Defender. Just because someone may love me does not make me one of them. My parents love me; does not mean I am my parents. The ONLY way I will join a philosophy is by choice. By taking away that choice you are discrediting your own religion.

I really hope you are not speaking for all Bahai. If you are that explains the resentment others feel. 

Try telling an orthodox Jew; or Armenian or Muslim or Atheist or Hindu they are Bahai. You will get a well deserved response. 

I hope your brand of Bahai never gains power. Because it will be worse than Islam.

Dear Nadeem Khan, you are a Wonderful Spirit

Aqayeh Nadeem Khan Joon wrote:

>> Thank you for giving me opportunity to put these links here.<<

Not a problem sir.  Thank you for sharing these sites.  You're such a great guy for bringing attention to the Faith of Baha'u'llah.

Everyone is Baha'i, including Muslims, Jews, and Atheists

Yes, everyone is a Baha'i, because Baha'is love all people.

Dear VPOK

Yes the whole world is Baha'i. Do you know that?

There are only two kinds of people in this world

Actual Baha'is  and  Potential Baha'is (not yet Baha'is)

Baha'is are expert in wordplaying.

So Mr. VPOK you are a potential Baha'i even I am as per the theory of Bahaism.

Muscle Defender

Read this :

//reference.bahai.org/fa/t/b/MAS4/mas4-355.ht...

//newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Talk/talk....

Then read this :

//circleh.wordpress.com/2009/05/16/bahai-gove...

Then read this :

//www.bahai-faith.com/ex-Bahai-8.html

//www.bahai-faith.com/

Then

//www.religioustolerance.org/bahai5.htm

//circleh.wordpress.com/2007/10/19/why-i-quit...

//circleh.wordpress.com/2007/07/23/religious-...

About peace harmony :

//www.scribd.com/doc/37416796/Secret-Activiti...

About shunning :

//www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/shun1.htm

Writings of Baha'u'llah & Abdul Baha on Covenant Breakers :

//www.markfoster.net/jccc/rs/covenant-breaker...

About Video :

Which part is wrong or misleading ?

See this : //www.sectsofbahais.com

Tell me one more thing please

Are these website made by the agents of IRI?

Have you visited //www.uhj.net ?

Why you want to distort the facts? Do you want more? please tell me.

Thank you for giving me opportunity to put these links here.

muscle defender

I have always been for freedom of Bahai to practice. However this statement below worries me:

No, Baha'u'llah and the House of Justice do not endorse a Universal Government.  Baha'u'llah rejects politics and especially partisan politics.  The House of Justice is a "voluntary" institution, so if at some point in the future the whole world decides to become a Baha'i voluntarily, only then can the House of Justice govern the world.  The House of Justice is not a political institution.

You are basically saying that Bahai DO want a religious world government. Don't you?  As soon a all the people are Bahai.

Now in the next paragraph we get:

Everyone is considered a believer in the Baha'i religion, even those who are atheists or Muslims or Hindus.  Baha'u'llah did not distinguish between people and said that there is only one humanity, regardless or religion. 

Meaning you think we are Bahai whether we know it or not!!  So I guess that means the Universal Bahai Government should happen now! This is really dangerous talk. It is also obnoxious telling me what religion I should have.

1) I am not a Bahai and don't want to be one. It is none of anyone business to tell me what religion I am. Not Islam; not Bahai. 

2) I don't want a Religious World Government Bahai or Islamic or anything. Get it? Or do I have to scream it out. Your arguments are not helping.

Nadeem Khan

>> The teachings of Baha'u'llah are not bad. But the concept of Universal
Government under the flag of UHJ is really dangerous. It is another form
of W Faghih. The world has experienced that a religious government or
commonwealth is very bad for the human kind. Doesn't your religion
advocates a Universal Government under Haifan UHJ?<<

No, Baha'u'llah and the House of Justice do not endorse a Universal Government.  Baha'u'llah rejects politics and especially partisan politics.  The House of Justice is a "voluntary" institution, so if at some point in the future the whole world decides to become a Baha'i voluntarily, only then can the House of Justice govern the world.  The House of Justice is not a political institution.

>> Doesn't your Ruhi books teach you to hate those who does not believe in
Baha'u'llah? <<

No this is not a teaching of Baha'u'llah.  Baha'u'llah teaches the opposite.  Baha'u'llah says that the tree of humanity was, during the time of the Prophets like Moses and Jesus and during the time of Islam, split into two branches, the believers and the non-believer.  Baha'u'llah cut this tree down and planted a new tree with only one branch.  Everyone is considered a believer in the Baha'i religion, even those who are atheists or Muslims or Hindus.  Baha'u'llah did not distinguish between people and said that there is only one humanity, regardless or religion.

>> Doesn't you people hate Azalis, Orthodox Baha'is, Shi'ites,
Covenant Breakers. Isn't it that your counsellors teach you all the
time to be away from Covenant Breakers to hate them and isn't it that
their breath is considered as poisonous?<<

No.  Just the opposite.  We love them very much.  Baha'is do not hate those people or anyone else.  We love those people so much that we rather not interact with them than to create a situation of confrontation that would cause the Azalis, Orthodox, Shiites, etc. to be offended.  The Bab and Baha'u'llah taught that the great sin is offending anyone.  Since Azalis and Covenant Breakers believe something fundamentally different from Baha'is, then our interaction would only result in offending other people.  Therefore, we do not associate with them to avoid conflict.

>> Your video <<

This video is fake and is only propaganda and spinning the truth.

Nadeem Khan

Nadeem, the website you posted are fake sites, I also got virus warning on my computer.

fussygorilla

This is a real authentic letter, it was written in October, and then typed and posted here one month later.

religious lunatics

Religious lunatics heaven-and-hell-bent on mutilating each other in one-upmanship over things that don't exist.

May the force be with me!

" Thank god for botox; my facial expressions are wearing rather thin...."