Mona Tahiri

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muscle-defender

Read a French author and Iranologist by the name of Henry Corbin and come back and talk to me.  Right now there are more pressing matters to deal with, and I don't have the time or inclination to try to make sense to the senseless mind of a brainwashed and intellectually unsophisticated Haifan Baha'i.

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May we be amongst those who are to bring about the transfiguration of the Earth - Yasna XXX 9

Dear Cyrus

World is definately watching the injustice towards the Haifan Bahais by IRI. And world is also watching the injustice done BY Baha'is. (I mean Haifan Baha'is). The Iranians are not fools. They know that this is a new religion (?) that is not nationalist. Not serving the interest of Iranians. Is already divided. Killed so many leaders of Azalis, persecuted so many Orthodox Baha'is for use of registered religious symbols. And it receives orders from its supreme body that is not directed by God but the some individuals from this and that corner of the world. The humans are committed to mistake but these 9 supreme leaders are considered infallible. How a sane person can believe this? So the world is watching the Baha'is, their hyper propagandas, their Ruhi Books, the so called persecution and torture.

God Bless you,

Allah'u'abho

DARK PERIOD

Very soon the details of all these years of injustice towards the Bahai community will be available to the world in form of books, films ,theatre and all would witness the torture that Iranians endured during this dark period of our nation.

Aryana is afraid to answer my question

Aryana, are you afraid to answer my question?

You stated:  And nowhere did I say we cannot know anything about the Divine. I said the God of theology (do you know what this means?) is not God. 

I say the God of Paradox you have created in your mind is not God.  You cannot prove me wrong. 

Aryana you fail again

Dear Aryana, You have still failed to prove to me that your God actually exists.

Baha'i Message

The Universal House of Justice writes:

For those with eyes to see, the new creation is today everywhere emerging, in the same way that a seedling becomes in time a fruit-bearing tree or a child reaches adulthood. Successive dispensations of a loving and purposeful Creator have brought the earth’s inhabitants to the threshold of their collective coming-of-age as a single people. Bahá’u’lláh is now summoning humanity to enter on its inheritance: “That which the Lord hath ordained as the sovereign remedy and mightiest instrument for the healing of all the world is the union of all its peoples in one universal Cause, one common Faith.” 

Baha'i Message

The Universal House of Justice writes:

For those with eyes to see, the new creation is today everywhere emerging, in the same way that a seedling becomes in time a fruit-bearing tree or a child reaches adulthood. Successive dispensations of a loving and purposeful Creator have brought the earth’s inhabitants to the threshold of their collective coming-of-age as a single people. Bahá’u’lláh is now summoning humanity to enter on its inheritance: “That which the Lord hath ordained as the sovereign remedy and mightiest instrument for the healing of all the world is the union of all its peoples in one universal Cause, one common Faith.” 

There is a difference between paradox and contradiction

And nowhere did I say we cannot know anything about the Divine. I said the God of theology (do you know what this means?) is not God. Obviously your RUHI indoctrination and brainwashing does not address fine distinctions such as those between theology and metaphysics, exotericism and esotericism. As such there is no contradiction in what I said if you actually understood what I said.

Anyway, I have no time to argue such subtleties with confused one-dimensional cultists who think the sun shines out of the backside of complete charlatans such as Mirza Husayn Ali Nuri, Abbas Effendi, Shoghi and the uhj, but are then arguing as atheists. To you be your cult, to me my NUR!

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May we be amongst those who are to bring about the transfiguration of the Earth - Yasna XXX 9

you contradict yourself

First you say we cannot know anything about God then you say you can know something about God.  Make up your mind!  You are contradicting yourself.

I already have my own opinions and have my own thoughts, you should do the same for yourself.  Then you should stop attacking other people, especially innocent minorities in the repressive society of Iran, and leave us alone. 

I believe in Baha'u'llah, Abdu'l-Baha, Shoghi Effendi, and the Universal House of Justice, by my own will, using my own judgement and my own eyes.  

muscle-defender

Arguments by atheists about the nonexistence of a Supreme Source and First Cause are as blind and childish as those put forth by exoteric religionists regarding the overriding truth of their creed as the only truth. It arrogantly assumes you have comprehensive data about every known facet of existence, which modern science certainly does not have nor claims to have. The Supreme Center of Existence, the Source of All-Being, is completely independent of what you believe or don't believe about it because it is beyond all belief or demonstration. It is that It is and it makes no difference to It whether you believe in it or not :) If you know and have some knowledge of your own existence, then you already know on some level that the Supreme Source exists as well. What theology says or explains of God is not God. Know yourself and you will know what the Divine is as well, however you wish to call or address It.

Now symbols are both universal and particular. Symbolic language and ciphers across the great Traditions both describe and allow the genuine seeker to interact with this higher reality. They are the keys, as it were. To call a central facet of the Divine feminine rather than masculine (i.e. the Godhead as Mother rather than God as Father) offers a context about seeing the world that is otherwise absent in any other way. Motherhood and the feminine principle is a principle and archetype of life and life-giving, nature as well as nurture, ergo mother-nature etc. Our Zoroastrian ancestors understood this well which is why three important facets or eternal sparks of Yazdan (viz. the Amesha Spenta/Amaraspands, the Holy or Bounteous Immortals) is considered to be feminine in the Mazdean worldview.

That said, atheism and agnosticism are quintessentially un-Iranian ways of thinking about the universe. The Iranian soul has always been not only a believer in the reality of the Divine but also a knower of It's reality. As such the Light (raosha/nur) of the Divine is programmed within the soul of every genuine Iranian who is in tune with their larger eternal Iranian archetype, especially since we are the children of Asha Zarathushtra. This is why every Zoroastrian states daily at the begining of a prayer, "I come from Eran-Vej/Aryana Vaeja (the Celestial Earth)" because the archetype of the Iranian soul is a celestial one located in the angelic world and not a terrestrial one. Its opposite (manifesting as doubt, etc) represents the archetype of the druj (chaos) and the counter-powers of darkness of ahriman to which the nihilism of the Islamists likewise belongs.

VPK, give me some time. Maybe I'll post something here next week on this case. I'm getting short again for time at the mid/tail end of this one.  You will not believe the overall farce and idiocy of the court proceedings! Even the Nazis ran better kangaroo trials!!!

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May we be amongst those who are to bring about the transfiguration of the Earth - Yasna XXX 9

Maybe there

is a flying teapot in the Orbit :-) But jokes aside there are many good arguments for the existence of God. There are also many against it. My reason tells me I do not know. Now you may be sure of your point of view: fine. 

In addition we need to properly define the meaning of God. In many systems like Roman and Egypt Gods seem just like really powerful people. They wee born and died. In other systems God is transcendent. Some consider God the fabric that holds the universe. I know is that the universe is far more vast and strange than we imagine. I have studied Physics and know that we don't know much. The world we perceive is a very narrow subset of reality. Therefore to presume that we know for sure is admission of mistake.

VPK support for 23 innocents

Dear VPK, I support your effort to free the 23 innocent dervishes.

Dear VPK you are wrong

I do know God does not exist. Evidence clearly demonstrates this. (But God may or may not exist).I guarantee you the God you "know" or imagine in your mind is not God. Someone may assert that There is a flying teapot in orbit. You cannot "prove" him wrong in the same way you cannot "prove" a theist wrong. My love encompasses all people. But Aryana is fabricating lies which lead to the harrassment, imprisonment, and torture of Bahais. Therefore this makes him as bad as the lying abusive Islamists.

Aryana-Vaeja

Thank you for your post; I do see and respect your point of view. Frankly I do not want to see anyone persecuted but some of the statements by "Muscle Defender" are  inexcusable.

I totally sympathize with you and support freeing the 23 innocents. To me the Islamic Republic is the embodiment of Zahhak who may be defeated by not destroyed. At least not any time soon. The 23 are just another one of Zahhak victims. Best of luck to you in saving them my friend. I suggest you write a blog here and draw attention so pressure may be put on the authorities to release them. At the minimum we can let the world know that we are watching. Persecution of Gonabadi dervishes is not going to go unnoticed.

VPK

Muscle Defender

You do not know if God exists or not. You have no way to prove it. Therefore it is a leap of faith which is another name for religion. 

Regarding Aryana it is very unfair to compare him to the Islamists. Not just unfair but outrageous. Islamist are nutcases who stone women; blow people up and so on. Aryana is a peaceful; reasoning person who has not harmed anyone as far as I know. Therefore I hope you make apologies to Aryana for an undeserved insult.

Superstition is Iran's biggest problem

Superstition and belief in ridiculous Gods is Iran's main problem why it is so backward. Baha'u'llah has come to free mankind from superstition. The Universal House of Justice carries this weighty task today.

Aryana, God doesn't exist

Dearest Aryana joon,You are making a fatal flaw in your argument. God doesn't exist, so what is all this nonsense about a "divine feminine"?You are as bad as the Islamists.

Shamseddin

You tell me then why the Christian, Moslem or Hindu children be taught the RUHI BOOKS? Why? They have their own moral education systems. Do you know what Baha'is are doing throughout the world? They are taking Children Moral Classes, Junior Youth Class and other types of trainings for youth. All this is done in the name of Moral Education. But the hidden agenda is to Convert these people. Distract them from their religions. Is this fair? Tell me please shamseddin.

You can tell the people that these are Baha'i Religious Classes and these are open to all. Please come and join if you wish. This is sincerety and honesty. No Problem. If anybody wishes to learn Bahaism he can join these classes.

But if you say these are Moral Classes for Children, Junior Youth Empowerment Programme, this and that confusing terms and enroll students and then start them teaching Bahai Faith by mis-presenting them some of the negative aspects of other religions. Isn't this behaviour wrong? What are your thoughts?

What Baha'is are doing throughout the world, throughout the moslem countries is that they are trying to convert the people decisively. They are misguiding them.

God bless you

Allah'u'Abho

Sahameddin Ghiassi

I totally agree with you.

God bless you.

Allah'u'Abho

VPK

You have observed yourself here on this site that the Haifan Bahais can act like the worst lock-jawed Islamist and IR supporter around. I understand that the main enemy are those demons, but the misbehavior of those demons does not absolve the Haifan Bahais of theirs. You yourself have called these people on their hatred and venom spewed my way, and since you are on my FB and you and I have interacted privately, you know exactly how I feel about the IRI, Khomeini, Islamism, exoteric religion, etc!

Because the main agenda is to dislodge the Fasco-Islamodemons in Iran, this should not mean we automatically shut our eyes to abusive groups and personalities who are potentially as dangerous as they are - which the Haifan organization very much is. Please observe political integrity because we are never going to send Zahhak-Ahriman and his minions to hell if we don't. I have been busy elsewhere for the past week or so dealing with the kangaroo trial and bogus conviction of the 23 Gonabadi dervishes. Surely folks can say a lot more about this case then one token news blog in the news section here! C'mon!!! 

That said, the claim made by the other gentleman here that anyone who criticizes Haifan Bahaism and calls it a cult is following the agenda of the IRI, and so is its agent, is pure nonsensical hubris. The methodologies of the social science/humanities have established precise typologies of what constitutes a proper *cult*, and Haifan Bahaism pretty much fulfills all of them. You call a spade a spade, and when there is a scientific methodology capable of classifying it as such by backing it up with fool-proof evidence (granted social science/humanities are soft sciences) then you do the right thing and call it what it is.

Now before the Haifan Bahai BIA lynch mob jump with their pitch-forks to hurl their accusations at me for working for a foreign government (which the IRI is, "foreign"), it is no secret that I lead a syncretic Neo-Zoroastrian/Post-Islamic qalandari Sufi Order that explicitly claims its lineage (silsilah) from Babism and the Shaykhi school via a sub-branch of the Ni'matullahi Sufi Order. We are devoted to the Divine Feminine and call Fatima Divine (to whom we also refer to as Simorgh), we use a psychoactive Tea as our main sacrament, we are political anarchists and we explicitly flout the shari'a and find it to be completely useless, nay a prison for the mind. We don't even call ourselves Muslims. Obviously people such as us are the number one enemies to everything the IRI represents on every level. And given I am an ex-Bahai simultaneously with an axe to grind with the mullahs on various fronts, I am fully qualified to criticize the Haifan Bahais here. 

That aside, people there are 23 innocent fellow countrymen who've just been convicted in a totally ridiculous trial. What the heck are you all doing squabbling over old territory?!

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May we be amongst those who are to bring about the transfiguration of the Earth - Yasna XXX 9

Humanity is important and not a name?

Who ever is nice is fine, regardless to his/her religion and not religion, the people should be free to think what they want. You cannot force the people to think the way you want. Love Unity and Humanity should be the goal.

Baha'ism is not a Cult

But the Administrative System is very similar to a Cult. If anyone want to check its cult like activities he can become a member of the faith.

Once again I repeat this :

1) Baha'ism is a sect of sect of sect of Islam, it is a sect of Babism, which is a sect of Shaikhism which is a sect of Shiism, which is again considered as a sect of Islam. And now it claims itself to be a Brand new religion.

2) They have a very strong Administrative System. This system is governed by the 'Supreme Seat' in Haifa, the most holy 'Infallible' body ofBaha'i Administration that is headed by 'All Male, 9 Individuals' and their collective decision is believed to be "inspired by God" Himself.

3) Although they believe in equality between men and women, but their supreme body does not allow membership to women for 'unknown reasons'.

4) Although they believe is mass teaching, ruhi teaching, direct teaching, children classes, adult classes, Junior youth classes, all sort of classes for the masses but they do not believe in teaching the innocent people of Israel. According to them Israeli Jews are not in need of Baha'i faith but Iranian muslims can only gain success if they become Baha'is. Converting Iranian Moslem is a worship and wasting time with anIsraeli Jew is not recommended.

5) The guidance (orders) of UHJ or Universal House of Justice, the supreme body of Baha'is is obligatory on all the Baha'is to follow. If any Baha'i is critical of this body or any other administrative body or if a Baha'i asks too many questions, regarding the guardianship or the authority of the Supreme Body, he is considered as 'Covenant Breaker' and is shunned and his membership removed. All the baha'is are then advised (ordered) to cut off any / all relations with this guy.

5) The NSA (National Spiritual Assembly), the national supreme body has always 4-5 Persian Baha'is. Actually Baha'i faith is a Persian religion and the Persian members always have a upper hand.

6) In a span of 165 years Baha'i faith has been divided into 17 more sects. All are small groups with very few followers but they all claim to be true and label the rest of the baha'is ascovenant breakers. The largest sect among baha'is are the Orthodox Baha'is with a large following in America, Canada, Australia, India, Iran and Africa.

7) Other bigger sects are BUPC, Tarbiyat Baha'is, Unitarian Baha'is

The cult scenario

The portrayal of the bahai faith as a cult, and the portrayal of its elected assembiles as somehow having a separate agenda from the 'ordinary bahais' is a strategy of anti-Baha’i theoreticians of the Islamic Republic of Iran:

//www.iranpresswatch.org/post/6783

Dear VPOK

Bahaism is not dangerous. There are so many religions in the world. No religion is dangerous if it is really a religion. There is nothign to worry. My point is only that the Illegal Stalinist Haifan Baha'i Administration is dangerous. And please be known that it has nothing to do with Baha'i religion.

There are two things. One is Judaism and it is a religion and we believe it. But Zionism is not religion and has an agenda and its takes help of a religionto achieve it.

Many Baha'is do not approve the Current UHJ as it is. Even here in Iran many Bahais are questioning the Administrative Order.

If you have not ovserved Baha'ism from closely, please do so. Become a member of the Baha'i faith, go the Wilmette Temple, see for yourself how many Baha'is are there, attend some of their prayers, observe them how interested (?) the baha'is of US are and observe their attitude after asking them certain questions about Guardianship and Baha'i Sects. Be open minded and if you like it stay with it. No problem, it will be your choice. But please don't accept them at their face value.

See this video please (Are these people IRI Agent?)

Nadeem

I wonder if Bahaism is so dangerous why has it not taken over the USA. Or any of the other nations where it may be practiced? On the other hand regular Islam more present in these nations. 

That leasves two coices:

• Bahaism is not the threat made up to be.
• Iranians are particularly subject to it. 

Do you think people of Iran are particularly subject to this threat? I really do not understand this venom against Bahais. I have never observed any Bahai doing any of these things. On the other hand I am seen plenty of regular Islamist anti-social behavior. So should we also ban Islam? It has a lot more going against it than Bahai.

several European nations. 

Hope every Iranian is free one day

and every one have the right to choose his / her religion or remain relionless. BUT NO TO HAIFAN BAHAISM.

The Haifan Bahaism is the most dangerous religion. I found this on a website and all this are facts. Please read them. Will you allow HAIFAN BAHAISM TO TAKE OVER IRAN AND IRANIAN PEOPLE? BE CAREFUL.

1) Baha'ism is a sect of sect of sect of Islam, it is a sect of Babism, which is a sect of Shaikhism which is a sect of Shiism, which is again considered as a sect of Islam. And now it claims itself to be a Brand new religion.

2) They have a very strong Administrative System. This system is governed by the 'Supreme Seat' in Haifa, the most holy 'Infallible' body of Baha'i Administration that is headed by 'All Male, 9 Individuals' and their collective decision is believed to be "inspired by God" Himself.

3) Although they believe in equality between men and women, but their supreme body does not allow membership to women for 'unknown reasons'.

4) Although they believe is mass teaching, ruhi teaching, direct teaching, children classes, adult classes, Junior youth classes, all sort of classes for the masses but they do not believe in teaching the innocent people of Israel. According to them Israeli Jews are not in need of Baha'i faith but Iranian muslims can only gain success if they become Baha'is. Converting Iranian Moslem is a worship and wasting time with an Israeli Jew is not recommended.

5) The guidance (orders) of UHJ or Universal House of Justice, the supreme body of Baha'is is obligatory on all the Baha'is to follow. If any Baha'i is critical of this body or any other administrative body or if a Baha'i asks too many questions, regarding the guardianship or the authority of the Supreme Body, he is considered as 'Covenant Breaker' and is shunned and his membership removed. All the baha'is are then advised (ordered) to cut off any / all relations with this guy.

5) The NSA (National Spiritual Assembly), the national supreme body has always 4-5 Persian Baha'is. Actually Baha'i faith is a Persian religion and the Persian members always have a upper hand.

6) In a span of 165 years Baha'i faith has been divided into 17 more sects. All are small groups with very few followers but they all claim to be true and label the rest of the baha'is as covenant breakers. The largest sect among baha'is are the Orthodox Baha'is with a large following in America, Canada, Australia, India, Iran and Africa.

7) Other bigger sects are BUPC, Tarbiyat Baha'is, Unitarian Baha'is

Hope every Iranian

Is free one day from this leach like shameless islamist regime, but we gotta fight for it, cause these mullahs are not just gonna give it up. We're very close to changing this regime, don't ever lose hope or give up.

Peace to all Iranians/Persians no matter their religion who wanna see a free, secular, nationalist Iran.

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"They are not afraid of the ideology alone, but of the detemination and will of the men behind it"

maryam and others thank you

for your positive comments

Ay Pay'ghambar Poshideh

you're 100% correct, again.