I understand the bitterness that exists between us and the supporters of GM. This is my attempt to explain our positions and goals to those who lost in the election or others. I will try to have an open mind and to respect the boundaries of a civil discussion. I am willing to change my position if proved wrong, but nevertheless, will give your arguement my full attention. However, certain principles should be respected in this thread if you wish to participate in this discussion.
1- Iran's integrity and sovereignty is not up for discussion.
2- Islam and religion should be respected in this discussion
Everything else is fair game. Lets start by a series of short answers and questions and see where that leads us. Anyone can join the discussion at anytime whether pro or against.
Please be civil in your discussion.
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Difficult questions will be ignored, try to be easy please
by Fair on Wed Nov 25, 2009 06:10 PM PSTSure, let us wait for what happens with Hamshahri, and ignore the fact that it was banned/warned for just publishing a photo, and sweep that under the rug.
In the meantime while we wait, maybe you can answer the real questions here about AN that you choose to ignore. Of course rather than take any responsibilty for your decision, you just call the question "open ended". Just like AN, who instead of recognizing his opponents as Iranian citizens, just brushes them off as "dirt and dust" and "foreign agents" as his thugs rape and torture them.
You said "Ask me anything". I guess that does not include difficult questions about foreign policy, jobs, human rights, the economy, and our standing in the world.
You say baby steps and treat Iranians like minors who are not capable of thinking, and are not ready for democracy. Well, the only Iranians who are not ready for democracy are AN, Khamenei, and the revolutionary guards who took charge of Iran in the June 12 2009 coup.
When you say you support this man, you stand in the face of the people of Iran. You cannot have it both ways.
Decide.
FAIR
Whereabouts of Imam Zaman
by Faramarz_Fateh on Wed Nov 25, 2009 12:24 PM PST//iranian.com/main/blog/faramarz-fateh/mtv-cribs-imam-zamans-haauusse
No Fear
by aaa on Wed Nov 25, 2009 12:12 PM PSTAre you Imam Zaman?
Are you planning to go back to another deep well?
If you are Imam Zaman please tell us your age
Are you still five years old?
I saw your face on moon
What was your diet in deep well?
Was it arab lizard kabab?
Open end questions will be ignored, try to be specific please.
by No Fear on Wed Nov 25, 2009 08:34 AM PSTAre you able to explain to me about Hadafmand-kardan-e yaraaneha (targeting the subsidies)? What is the criteria for the receipt of yaaraneh?
I hope this link helps answer your questions. These steps are long due for our economy since no other previous administration had the guts to make these corrections because it will increase the cost of many services.
//www.hamshahrionline.ir/News/?id=98587
Imam Zaman in a deep well for 1200 years
by aaa on Tue Nov 24, 2009 12:26 PM PSTDid Imam Zaman move recently?
Traitor No Fear,
by Mardom Mazloom on Tue Nov 24, 2009 10:59 AM PSTYou are as blind as your avatar. Instead of preaching AN's non-sense here go get yourself a life. It's not by trying to fool people that you'll be able to change the reality. At the presentation of Robert Kennedy Human rights award today, Obama said:
In the end, history has a clear direction -- and it is not the way of those who arrest women and babies for singing in the streets. It's not the way of those who starve and silence their own people, and cling to power by threat of force.
That's THE reality and it means that you and your beloved AN have no future
Open end questions will be ignored, try to be specific please.
by No Fear on Tue Nov 24, 2009 06:38 AM PSTFair,
New developements are surfacing about Hamshahri ban. This issue is escalating and we should wait a bit to see how things turn out.
This has to be one of the most stupid blogs I have seen here
by Anahid Hojjati on Tue Nov 24, 2009 04:58 AM PSTI just read some of the comments by No Fear and this is such a waste of blogspace.
Open end questions will be ignored, try to be specific please.
by No Fear on Tue Nov 24, 2009 03:05 AM PSTNow perhaps, you would care to explain why they were banned in the first place? And then why they have been warned? Or would you like me to do that for you?
I am happy that the ban didn't go in effect and hamshahri did not lose a bit over this. Publishing a bahai temple photo in any previous administration would automatically meant your head and a permenant ban. Considering this publication also belongs to some of Ahmadinejad's strongest critics, it got off the hook rather easy won't you agree?
Why do you think is that? Is it because of Ahmadinejads relative press freedom or because Ahmadinejad has NO power over the press committee which issues these ban? How do you explain the reason that hamshahri was not banned?
Is there another angle that i am not contemplating?
Open end questions will be ignored, try to be specific please.
by No Fear on Tue Nov 24, 2009 02:41 AM PSTHow would you feel if 300 million Americans went out in the streets and chanted DEATH TO IRAN.. ( Question from timothyfloyd )
Here is a link explaining Ahmadinejad's government view towards the " Death to America " chant. Let me know if translation is required.
//www.tabnak.ir/fa/pages/?cid=74390
No edit, no revision of history
by Fair on Mon Nov 23, 2009 10:33 PM PSTAnd no censorship. This is not the Islamic Republic Of Iran.
Hamshahri was banned, and several hours later the ban was removed (AFTER I posted)- source was Iranian state news agency ILNA:
//www.ilna.ir/newsText.aspx?ID=91761
//www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5...
These are FACTS, and my sources are CORRECT. However uncomfortable you may be with them.
Now perhaps, you would care to explain why they were banned in the first place? And then why they have been warned? Or would you like me to do that for you?
And then it will be clear how accurate your assertion of freedom of press under AN, whom you support, in Iran is.
FAIR
Open end questions will be ignored, try to be specific please.
by No Fear on Mon Nov 23, 2009 09:28 PM PSTPerhaps you would care to elaborate in the case of Hamshahri today. The most popular legal newspaper in Iran has been banned because of.....?
Check your sources. I am told that hamshahri has NOT been banned and has been warned only. You may edit your post and i shall delete this consequently for the sake of arguements based on FACTS.
Freedom of religion is not a challenging concept
by Fair on Mon Nov 23, 2009 08:34 PM PSTWe had it before the revolution. Same goes for personal social rights.
We did not have any political rights or freedom of press, which we demanded as a people but never got.
So these are not common sense just to Europeans, they are also common sense to Iranians. In fact Iranians have sacrificed much more than current generation of Europeans and Americans in the struggle for these rights, and are therefore just as deserving (if not much more deserving) of these rights than westerners.
There is no "their own rights" and "our own rights". There are HUMAN rights and they are universal. The first declaration of which was made in Iran over 2000 years ago, when Europeans and Americans were running around naked. We the people of Iran are not the ones who have to learn about our rights, our government is. We know our rights very well and are still fighting and dying for them.
So stop treating Iranians like idiots. We are grown up. We are civilized. We demand and deserve our human rights, and have fought for them for over 100 years. The latest thug standing in our way is the one you support.
-FAIR
Since when
by KouroshS on Mon Nov 23, 2009 08:30 PM PSTNewspapers and their writers have to write things about the Government that does not contradict the constitution of a nation???
Does that happen In America? If it did, we would have seen many reporters in and out of jail. When you do not want anything said about the constitution or you place a ban on it and require court testimony and presentation that clearly indicated that THERE IS NO FREEDOM OF PRESS. I don't give a damn what the numbers say!
Open end questions will be ignored, try to be specific please.
by No Fear on Mon Nov 23, 2009 03:56 PM PSTPerhaps you would care to elaborate in the case of Hamshahri today. The most popular legal newspaper in Iran has been banned because of.....?
I don't know yet. Its a fairly new developement. I will post when i findout more.
Open end questions will be ignored, try to be specific please.
by No Fear on Mon Nov 23, 2009 03:49 PM PSTDear Shepesh,
Thank you for showing tolerance for opposing views and thank you for following this thread so far.
We all at some point have to make a critical decision in regards to the future of our country. We all want change, but we differ on how to obtain it. Is it going to be a gradual and peaceful process or would it be history repeating itself in form of a violent revolution?
Although the thought of another revolution is entertaining, but this concept is outdated and very unlikely to happen. I believe the middle class and above is incapable of a revolution and you might say that the regime is just too oppressive to allow it. In any case, this notion of violently overthrowing the government has been exhausted for the last 30 years without any fruitation. Many have also argued that any violent change results are only temporary and we will replace one tyranny for another one. All these arguements are without considering the human loss that could occure during this process. I am trying to speak your language here since i believe the IR still enjoys the majority support in Iran, But hopefully you get my point.
I have made it clear that i believe in gradual, baby steps changes from within the establishment. Any small changes are likely to stay and find its root in our politic, but most importantly, in our culture. It is vital for our nation to go through this process step by step and experience freedom of press, freedom of opinion, personal rights and essentially the basics before we get into freedom of religion or other challenging concepts. Maybe these concepts and freedoms are common senses to those who have lived in european countries for a while. But even those european nation went through their Renaissance period before establishing and defining their own rights. We have to learn and define our own rights as well without others tell us how to do it.
Fair
by Shepesh on Mon Nov 23, 2009 03:25 PM PSTI know they have been critical of AN. My son tells me that they printed a photo of a Bahai temple.
Hamshahri closed today, 120 papers closed since 2000
by Fair on Mon Nov 23, 2009 03:10 PM PSTYes, numbers speak for themselves. Today, the government closed Hamshahri, the largest circulation newspaper in Iran. Dozens of reporters and photographers have been arrested on vague charges in Iran over the last decade.
"It is better than Khatami" is not a defense. We are talking about AN. And about the system that both of them support. At least Khatami was calling for reform. Is AN?
Iran is ranked 172 out of 175 countries in the world under RSF's World Press Freedom Index. The only countries lower are North Korea, Turkmenistan, and Eritrea (Incidentally, Iran was ranked higher on this index before AN took power).
Yes, indeed numbers speak for themselves, and these are FACTS and can be verified easily if you put some effort in to it.
You claim that "So far only those publications have been banned that could not support
their accusations in court or published a piece in contrast to the
constitution.". Perhaps you would care to elaborate in the case of Hamshahri today. The most popular legal newspaper in Iran has been banned because of.....?
Would you care to put a little effort and tell us? Or will you "ignore" this question also? You decide who gets to do the honors.
-FAIR
Poltroon No Fear aka Jaleho
by Mardom Mazloom on Mon Nov 23, 2009 02:55 PM PSTYou are the shame of all Iranians who even have a small love for the country. How dare you come here and try to cheat on us? You are either stupid or a traitor as Fair explained it so elegantly. You better go and think of what kind of thing you will be after that these beasts will be ousted from our country. So shame on you and khodeti at the end.
For all the others, Vote for choosing Ali Khamenei as the dictator of the year
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by Shepesh on Wed Nov 25, 2009 04:44 AM PST.
Open end questions will be ignored, try to be specific please.
by No Fear on Mon Nov 23, 2009 02:23 PM PSTHow many newspapers have been closed down under Mr. Ahmadinejad, and what steps has he taken to protect a free press, in which opposition writers are allowed to write?
Numbers speak for themselves. The result of 8 years of Khatami press freedom amounted to 7-8 publications critical of the government. Still some were shut down during his era by the press court, never to resume publication again. Today, over %70 of all newspapers in Iran have anti government views and are critical of Ahmadinejad administration. Talk about a bite in the rear. But this is the price of freedom. So far only those publications have been banned that could not support their accusations in court or published a piece in contrast to the constitution.This ban has been temporary in most cases. The majority of the publications with anti-Ahmadinejad views are supported and funded by known power houses in IR.
The real concern should be whether we can enjoy this relatively new freedom of press even when Ahmadinejad is gone. Previous administrations were far less tolerant about the press than Ahmadinejad's administration. These are FACTS and can be verified easily if you put some effort in to it.
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by yolanda on Mon Nov 23, 2009 11:02 AM PSTThank you, Fair, for your post!
Great job!!
Delaram Banafsheh (Yolanda)
"Cactus in the Desert"
FAIR
by Bijan A M on Mon Nov 23, 2009 10:56 AM PSTYou are so fair....
Live up to your name No Fear
by Fair on Mon Nov 23, 2009 10:24 AM PSTAnd answer the questions sincerely and with no fear. Not with copouts.
My questions were very specific, most of which could be answered yes or no. You claim you support Ahmadinejad. Ahmadinejad is president of a system which violates every basic human right there is. So if you support AN, you also support this system, unless you believe AN is intending to reform the system. Merely hiding behind Islamic laws and a judiciary (which is controlled by a leader who put AN In power) is a copout, and an insult to every Iranian citizen, especially every nonviolent protestor who has been victimized by the military dictatorship in Iran led by AN.
Furthermore, your treatment of the holocaust is weak and pathetic. The holocaust is a historical fact, accepted by everybody in the world and documented up the wazoo (unlike the accusations made by AN that the green movement is a puppet of western governments). If AN wants to say "don't use the holocaust to oppress Palestinians" that is fine and understandable. But that is very different than saying "the Holocaust is a myth that never happenned". Such statements destroy Iran's image in the world.
So No Fear, I asked for some simple sincere answers. I should have known better. Thank you for showing all of us the ground that an AN supporter can stand on.
You are no different, in fact you are much worse, than the MI6, CIA, and others who helped overthrow Dr. Mossadeq. The antidemocratic forces are back in 2009, 56 years later, as AN is at the head of a military coup by the IRGC. You are not welcome, and will be met with the same fate, as you are the sworn enemy of the Iranian people. The time for "civil" discussion is over, as well as the courtesy that anybody should give to an AN supporter who has the gall to use the word "civil discussion" after the crimes that AN has committed.
-FAIR
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by Shepesh on Wed Nov 25, 2009 04:45 AM PST.
Open end questions will be ignored, try to be specific please.
by No Fear on Mon Nov 23, 2009 04:51 AM PSTDear fair,
The majority of your questions is related to islamic religious and civil laws and should be directed at the head of Judiciary in Iran. Ahmadinejad is the head of administration and can't interfere with the rulings of court since they are independent. The Judiciary also controls the prisons and it has its own police force.
You might want to find out who is running the Judiciary and what is their political affiliations. Start from Larijani and see how far you go. The Judiciary is doing its best to embaress Ahmadinejad internationally and trying to distablize the government as best it could. It will be interesting to see if they receive any additional warnings from Rahbar. Be objective and start digging.Follow the rabbit hole.
Open end questions will be ignored, try to be specific please.
by No Fear on Mon Nov 23, 2009 04:40 AM PSTDoes Mr. Ahmadinejad's open denial of the Holocaust, a historical fact well documented in which millions of Jews dies, serve the national interests of Iran?
Debatable. First of all, this issue like any other historical event should be allowed to be questioned ,doubted and debated. Whats wrong with that? We all know that zionist use holocaust as a pretext to show others they have been the most victimized nation on earth. We all know this is not true and this is their way of concealing their crimes against others. It also serves them to rally support by inflicting guilt in others. Its a classic example of being passive aggressive.
Obviously we can't let them utilize their propaganda to the fullest, specially not in our backyard, the middle east.Ahmadinejad has angered many european governments by questioning holocaust. So what? They have not broke economical ties over it. Let them cry loud , who cares?
Iran's winning card is NOT how many european friends it has. Ahmadinejad has won the hearts and mind of many ordinary muslims in the middle east by standing firm and not backing down from his holocaust comments. He has become very popular in the streets of middle east. Iran's winning card is how it influences and changes events ( or more ) in the middle east. How it controls the streets and how is looked up upon the eyes of many muslims. The west knows that dropping one bomb over Tehran can turn in to an unstopable domino effect that could topple many friendly arab governments. In my opinion, this was a propaganda victory for Iran.
We are in this for the long run, Not the short gain.
Sounds fun! LOL!
by Neda ye Iran e Azad on Sun Nov 22, 2009 08:43 PM PSTCouldn't resist this question in Farsi
به نظر شما ا.ن. کی از رو میره؟
:-))
سبز سبز تا بهار
No Fear
by Mardom Mazloom on Sun Nov 22, 2009 02:56 PM PSTA very specific question.
Are you Dr. Ahmadi-Nejad's mother?
Please click on the link above.
Bijan does it again!
by Setareh Cheshmakzan on Sun Nov 22, 2009 02:23 PM PST"You are after all a Melli Mazhabi" LOL :) :)