ISLAM DOES NOT OWN IRAN

Seeing through your eye, F. yekta? NO WAY!

Nuri, you and I will never be able to see from the same eye.

Thank the gods above for that. I definitely do not want to see through the same eyes as yours, since those eyes are seeing through a prison of the mind; this, as one of your recently departed Bahai Counselors put it:

"We don't want to be like those
people who want to see God with their own eyes, or hear His melody with
their own ears, because we have been given the gift of being able to
see through the eyes of the House of Justice and listen through the
ears of the House of Justice." - Bahai Counselor Rebeque Murphy

This type of seeing eye is the same eye as the system of the velayat-i-faqih!

Veiled Prohpet

Let's just agree that we disagree on this one.   All I know is that many Bahais just like many other minorities and groups in Iran today are under persecution not because they have done anything to spread tyranny around Iran but only because they believe what they believe.  That to me is the most important issue.

Nuri, you and I will never be able to see from the same eye.  You are what you are and I am what I am.  I can live with that. 

F.yekta, you Bahais have some nerve and cheek

When you have a ten thousand mile long documented historical record of attacking everybody elses belief systems, mercilessly libelling and defaming your ideological critics, lying about your history as well as the history of the Bayanis whom you have twisted, and generally mud-slinging and dumping on anyone and everyone who has the gall and backbone to publicly disagree with your cult and its ways!

Given this past, someone like myself not only has the right to dump on the Baha'is, but the God-given moral duty to do so!

Enghadar mazlum nama'i-i-bee-jah nakonid! 

F.yekta

I am all for "live and let live". Personally I have never had the least issue with Baha'is and never had any problems. On the other hand I lost my country to a group of radical Muslims. So that is where I come from. 

I am suspicious of "grand" ideas; specially Utopian ones. In the past 100 years human kind has tried many of them and not one has worked out. The latest has been Political Islam which predictably has turned out to be a disaster. So I really don't want a new Utopian experiment. 

As long as the ideas about world government and so on remain ideas it is fine. But as soon as someone tries to implement them then it ceases to be a personal religion. It will no longer be "live and let live". At that point it will impact my life and everyone else's as well. 

Veiled prophet

I understand your view point and respect it.  You and I might not agree with the beliefs of a religion or a political ism but in my opinion that does not give us the right to attack it and in the cases we see here, attack it on a very personal way.  The greatest danger to me is not a religion that express ideas that might not be to my liking or one that I might find dogmatic, because if we live in a free society, then time will prove it as just dogma, an intelligent society will reject it and it will not last.  What I fear the most is when expressing those ideas and beliefs are attacked.  Live and let live!  

Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

VPK: "1) Sophia: I misunderstood your position. Sorry about that."

That's ok, but I hope you see the issue here, as demonstrated by your original response to me as a result of misunderstanding my position. As you have said:

"I have tried many times to get the point across and will try once more: Some people do not believe in or want the religion of "One God". Maybe you want it but don't go around assuming others do. As I said before: I don't want to be unified. I don't want a single language forced down my throat. And I don't want a world government.  Isn't this totalitarianism? Didn't Marx; Mao; The Romans; Muslims; and so many others try this wrong headed path and get nowhere?"

Yes, this IS totalitarianism. And don't you find it odd that such an intensive pack mentality exists in attempting to paint critics of this proposed system (which is ultimately, by structure and definition, not just about individual beliefs), as exhibiting all manner of emotional, psychological and spiritual problems? 

Gol gofti

Fix your own house and take care of your own problems.

So what's this gutless cultural servility towards the MAN's celebration of X-mas by North American Iranians all about, esp. when Armenian and Assyrian Chrisitians of Iran do not even celebrate Dec. 25 as Christmas?  Ya, I am trying fix my own Iranian cultural house by getting rid of the various termites that are eating the house bare; and if not getting rid of them, at least pointing out to some of the other inhabitants of the house that our house is infested with a variety of termites, not just one.

But some of ya'll seem to prefer one group of termites over another even though they're also eating our house bare as fast as the other ones. It appears that there is a race between the two termite groups to see who can eat away our house faster, but most of ya'll here are too blind to even see that.

F.yekta

You two are right and everyone else, be it Bahais or non Bahais are wrong.

Yep, based on the behavior of the herd consensus here, it definitely appears that way. QED

sophia / feyekta

1) Sophia: I misunderstood your position. Sorry about that.

2) Feyekta: I have not problems with private beliefs. But I do get worried when some one whether in  a religion or politics wants to reshape the world. These attempts invariably result in disasters.

The only thing that can shape people's opinion of a religion is its own followers. Nothing that Sophia or Nur have said has in any way affected my opinion of Baha'i. However all this talk of "one world government"; "unity"; "one language" and so on really worries me. I advise you to instead of reading dogma look at history and the results of practices then make an informed judgment.

Nuri/Spohia

You two are right and everyone else, be it Bahais or non Bahais are wrong. You two and bunch of other folks, some not even Iranians, that you have introduced to this site just to bash this religion are right and more than 7 million or so who believe in this religion are just duped by an evil organization.  Yes, it all makes sense. 

Nuri, whether I am a Bahai or not, this issue does concern me, since this site is foremost an Iranian site and that is what I am.  The Iran that I want is one that all Iranians can live and practice their religion in freely.  So no, I am not going to move on, I see it as my responsibility to be a torn on your side!

sophia

Folks you are beginning to scare me as much as the Muslims. You seem to think you have all the answers. Wow! A whole prescription for how to run the world. Complete with your religion sitting on top of all!

I have tried many times to get the point across and will try once more: Some people do not believe in or want the religion of "One God". Maybe you want it but don't go around assuming others do. As I said before: I don't want to be unified. I don't want a single language forced down my throat. And I don't want a world government.  Isn't this totalitarianism? Didn't Marx; Mao; The Romans; Muslims; and so many others try this wrong headed path and get nowhere?

One of the most frightening and disturbing statements proudly mentioned by Baha'i is:

"In reality, there is only one religion, the religion of God.".

Who said so? I don't give a *** if Muhammad; or Bahaullah or anyone else make such a proclamation. I don't believe it and I don't have to put up with your fairy tales ! Be it Islam; Bahai or anything else. Why do you have a need to impose your beliefs on others?

Take my advise: Stop trying to fix the world. Fix your own house and take care of your own problems.

F.Yekta

F.Yekta: "Why does every single of your contributions to this site, no matter what the topic, ends up being some sort of attack on the Bahai religion?  The discussion could be about khoreshteh bademjan and somehow you can turn it into a bahai thing.  As I recall in one of your enteries, you mentioned that you have been "cured" since 1996 when you left Bahaism.  Well, if you call this cure, then you need to go back into rehab.  You have a sick obsession.  We get it, you don't like Bahais and obviously since they asked you to leave their religion, they don't like you.  Move on already."

F.yekta, maybe you would like to consider a recent post by Mr Faryar Mansouri, regarding the Haifan Baha'is future vision of the world:

//iranian.com/main/blog/babak-sd/what-cou...

"From the same document, there are other "insights" into the future by Shoghi Rabbani / Effendi, who was the infallible Interpreter of His teachings confirmed with the authority and guarantee of divine guidance decreed by Bahá’u’lláh.

see full text

These include:

 "the establishment of a world commonwealth in which all nations, races, creeds and classes are closely and permanently united, and in which the autonomy of its state members and the personal freedom and initiative of the individuals that compose them are definitely and completely safeguarded. "

"This commonwealth must, as far as we can visualize it, consist of a world legislature, whose members will, as the trustees of the whole of mankind, ultimately control the entire resources of all the component nations, and will enact such laws as shall be required to regulate the life, satisfy the needs and adjust the relationships of all races and peoples.

A world executive, backed by an international Force, will carry out the decisions arrived at, and apply the laws enacted by, this world legislature, and will safeguard the organic unity of the whole commonwealth.

A world tribunal will adjudicate and deliver its compulsory and final verdict in all and any disputes that may arise between the various elements constituting this universal system.

A mechanism of world inter-communication will be devised, embracing the whole planet, freed from national hindrances and restrictions, and functioning with marvellousswiftness and perfect regularity.

A world metropolis will act as the nerve center of a world civilization, the focus towards which the unifying forces of life will converge and from which its energizing influences will radiate.

A world language will either be invented or chosen from among the existing languages and will be taught in the schools of all the federated nations as an auxiliary to their mother tongue. A world script, a world literature,

a uniform and universal system of currency, of weights and measures, will simplify and facilitate intercourse and understanding among the nations and races of mankind.

In such a world society, science and religion, the two most potent forces in human life, will be reconciled, will cöoperate, and will harmoniously develop. The press will, under such a system, while giving full scope to the expression of the diversified views and convictions of mankind, cease to be mischievously manipulated by vested interests, whether private or public, and will be liberated from the influence of contending governments and peoples. The economic resources of the world will be organized, its sources of raw materials will be tapped and fully utilized, its markets will be cöordinated and developed, and the distribution of its products will be equitably regulated. 

//reference.bahai.org/en/t/se/WOB/wob-56.html "

(end quote) 

See also, //www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Baha%27...

Now, when the core idealism of Haifan Bahaism means that the whole world, from their perspective, will ultimately be concerned with THEIR all encompassing vision, do you not find it slightly non-sensical to be asserting that a person has some sort of strange, misplaced 'obsession' with this organization? Nobody is ultimately attempting to make every argument and every discussion about the Baha'is other than (ideologically, as well as demonstrably) the Baha'i organization itself. Sorry, but if this organization can't accept criticism from every angle, maybe they shouldn't assume a position where, in the end, EVERYTHING is (by definition) about themselves and their ideology. 

• The unity of all the world's religions under the umbrella of the Baha'i Faith[26] - "In reality, there is only one religion, the religion of God. This one religion is continually evolving, and each particular religious system represents a stage in the evolution of the whole. The Bahá'í Faith represents the current stage in the evolution of religion." [27] Regarding this process, the Universal House of Justice claims that, "Baha'u'llah's principal mission in appearing at this time in human history is the realization of the oneness of mankind and the establishment of peace among the nations; therefore, all the forces which are focused on accomplishing these ends are influenced by His Revelation. We know, however, that peace will come in stages. First, there will come the Lesser Peace, when the unity of nations will be achieved, then gradually the Most Great Peace - the spiritual as well as social and political unity of mankind, when the Baha'i World Commonwealth, operating in strict accordance with the laws and ordinances of the Most Holy Book of the Baha'i Revelation, will have been established through the efforts of the Baha'is."[28] 

Because

Why does every single of your contributions to this site, no matter what the topic, ends up being some sort of attack on the Bahai religion?

Because this site is dominated by them and their  Fascistic agenda, and their attempts (together with those who hold their leash at higher levels) at a Nazi-type Kulturkampf vis-a-vis Iran.

since they asked you to leave their religion,

No one asked me to leave their cult. I left freely of my own volition. You are welcome to ask that question yourself directly from their US National Spiritual Assembly who accepted my resignation in November 1996. Here is their email address: secretariat@usbnc.org

Move on yourself, if you are not a Bahai,  that is, since this issue does not remotely concern you. But I am here, and elsewhere, to be a thorn in their eye as Ayatollah Montazeri was a thorn in the IRI's eye for as long as it takes.

Nuri

Why does every single of your contributions to this site, no matter what the topic, ends up being some sort of attack on the Bahai religion?  The discussion could be about khoreshteh bademjan and somehow you can turn it into a bahai thing.  As I recall in one of your enteries, you mentioned that you have been "cured" since 1996 when you left Bahaism.  Well, if you call this cure, then you need to go back into rehab.  You have a sick obsession.  We get it, you don't like Bahais and obviously since they asked you to leave their religion, they don't like you.  Move on already.  

The Bahai Tactics and Techniques of Mooshie jun

BAHAI Tactics & Techniques
//www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/

"Slanderous Vilification" = The Baha'i Technique - Ad Hominem, Libel,
Slander, Demonize, Scapegoat, Ostracize, Shun, Banish, Backbite,
Defame, Vilify, Discredit, Smear, Revile, Suppress, Attack, Bully,
Intimidate, Threaten, Malign, Blackball, Deceive, Coerce, Silence,
Harass... etc., etc.... CAUTION NON-BAHAIS

Quote

//www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/technique.htm
Professor Juan Cole, University of Michigan, June 12, 1998:

//www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/Cole10.htm

Professor Juan Cole, February 23, 1999:

//www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/Cole71.htm

BAHAI TACTICS according to Henry Tad
//groups.google.com.au/group/talk.religion.bahai/browse_thread/thread/0c1210a627cdaae3

See Bahai CULT FAQ

Didn't I tell you?

Step no. 2: producing irrelevant and unrelated evidence and arguments.

NONE of what Nur-i-Daghal has presented is appilcable.

Next please?

Techniques of Propaganda pursued by Mooshie jun

//iranian.com/main/blog/nur-i-azal/techniques-propaganda

Appeal to fear: Appeals to fear seeks to build support by instilling fear in the general population - for example Joseph Goebbels exploited Theodore Kaufman's Germany Must Perish! to claim that the Allies sought the extermination of the German people.

Appeal to authority: Appeals to authority cite prominent figures to support a position idea, argument, or course of action.

Bandwagon:
Bandwagon-and-inevitable-victory appeals attempt to persuade the target
audience to take a course of action "everyone else is taking." "Join
the crowd." This technique reinforces people's natural desire to be on
the winning side. This technique is used to convince the audience that a program is an expression of an irresistible mass movement and that it is in their interest to join. "Inevitable victory" invites those not already on the bandwagon to join those already on the road to certain victory. Those already, or partially, on the bandwagon are reassured that staying aboard is the best course of action.

Obtain disapproval:
This technique is used to get the audience to disapprove an action or
idea by suggesting the idea is popular with groups hated, feared, or
held in contempt by the target audience. Thus, if a group which
supports a policy is led to believe that undesirable, subversive, or
contemptible people also support it, the members of the group might decide to change their position.

Glittering generalities:
Glittering generalities are intensely emotionally appealing words so
closely associated with highly valued concepts and beliefs that they
carry conviction without supporting information or reason. They appeal to such emotions as love of country, home; desire for peace, freedom, glory, honor, etc. They ask for approval without examination of the reason. Though the words and phrases are vague and suggest different things to different people, their connotation is always favorable: "The concepts and programs of the propagandist are always good, desirable, virtuous."

Rationalization:
Individuals or groups may use favorable generalities to rationalize
questionable acts or beliefs. Vague and pleasant phrases are often used to justify such actions or beliefs.

Intentional vagueness:
Generalities are deliberately vague so that the audience may supply its own interpretations. The intention is to move the audience by use of undefined phrases, without analyzing their validity or attempting to determine their reasonableness or application

Transfer:
This is a technique of projecting positive or negative qualities
(praise or blame) of a person, entity, object, or value (an individual,
group, organization, nation, patriotism, etc.) to another in order to
make the second more acceptable or to discredit it. This technique is
generally used to transfer blame from one member of a conflict to
another. It evokes an emotional response which stimulates the target to identify with recognized authorities.

Oversimplification: Favorable generalities are used to provide simple answers to complex social, political, economic, or military problems.

Common man:
The "plain folks" or "common man" approach attempts to convince the audience that the propagandist's positions reflect the common sense of the people. It is designed to win the confidence of the audience by communicating in the common manner and style of the audience. Propagandists use ordinary language and mannerisms (and clothes in face-to-face and audiovisual communications) in attempting to identify their point of view with that of the average person.

Testimonial:
Testimonials are quotations, in or out of context, especially cited to
support or reject a given policy, action, program, or personality. The
reputation or the role (expert, respected public figure, etc.) of the
individual giving the statement is exploited. The testimonial places
the official sanction of a respected person or authority on a propaganda message. This is done in an effort to cause the target
audience to identify itself with the authority or to accept the authority's opinions and beliefs as its own.

Stereotyping
or Labeling: This technique attempts to arouse prejudices in an
audience by labeling the object of the propaganda campaign as something
the target audience fears, hates, loathes, or finds undesirable.

Scapegoating:
Assigning blame to an individual or group that isn't really
responsible, thus alleviating feelings of guilt from responsible
parties and/or distracting attention from the need to fix the problem
for which blame is being assigned.

Virtue words:
These are words in the value system of the target audience which tend to produce a positive image when attached to a person or issue. Peace, happiness, security, wise leadership, freedom, etc., are virtue words.

Slogans:
A slogan is a brief striking phrase that may include labeling and
stereotyping. If ideas can be sloganized, they should be, as good
slogans are self-perpetuating memes.

See also Argumentative Fallacies

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Bahai CULT FAQ

When a Sobh-i-Daghali is publicly disgraced ...

Allaho Abha

The world according to Sobhi-Daghalis (followers of Mirza Yaha Sobhi Daghal - sorry did I say Sobhi-Daghal? I meant to say Sobhi Azal, otherwise known as Azali - must have been a Freudian slip, is a very simple and black and white (hence our own resident Daghali's black and white avatar). In short, Daghal means, among other things, a Charlatan. That's how this sect came to existence, through charlatanism, and as can be seen its followers are still keeping their communal spirit healthy and lively!!

Sobh-i-Daghalis common techniques, known as Seven Pillars of Daghal - copied from TE Lawrence's book of a similar title, except for Daghal - when confronted with irrefutable evidence against their  flimsy arguments are:

1. denial
2. producing irrelevant and unrelated evidence
3. resorting to ridicule and scorn
4. getting nasty and extremely angry
5. resorting to abusive remarks
6. pretending to have won the debate
7. back to denials and the cycle is repeated

His latest reply to me is a clear example of such a pathetic attempt at coming up with an argument which collapses at its own feet, let alone standing one any.

ALL the citations of genocide that I presented in my previous comment were fuelled by stirring up Islamic ferver against non muslims (Armenians), apostates (Babis and Bahais), athiests (Marxists), ethnic minorities (Kurds) and religious renegades (Mujahedin-e-Khalq). All these massacres were of epic proportions (but may be not sizeable or important enough to satisfy our resident Daghali's lust for blood). Furthermore, there is no minimum limit set for an act of genocide in Article 2 of UN  Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide.

Our local Daghali (Azali) is ripping himself into pieces to hide his closet vicious Islamic hatefulness by reducing the Babis and Bahai massacres if 1850's and beyond to what he calls, pogroms, i.e. local riots against a minority group. Here is one example of an eye witness, Mirza Agha Khan Kermani, who described how, the then prime minister, Amir Kabir, organized mass kilings of the Babi at the hands of the local religious zealots.

And all these denials and vicious attacks, name calling, and insults from someone, who claims to be the mystic leader of a sufic order. No wonder Hafiz wrote in description of a Sufi.

"Sufi shahr bin ke chon loghmeh shobhe mikhorad

Pardomash deraaz baad in hayavaane khosh alaf"

which roughly translates to:

Watch how the town Sufi earns his daily bread in deceit,

Long may last his tail, this grass grazing beast

Por-ru abaviteh, Herr Reichsfuehrer Cost of Progress!

No, there are quite a few Israelis who agree with me. There's even one here on this site who occassionally agrees with me on assorted issues. And since I am half ethnically Jewish myself, I don't have a problem with Jews as such, although rightwing political Zionism is another story. So those Israelis usually listen to me long before they listen to know-nothings like you. But chumps like you are regular, almost typecast, intelligence fodder used and discarded by organizations such as the MOSAD and the CIA, which is why I mentioned you go and talk to them about an accusation yourself first made here.

My cult, the religion of the Bayan, if anything, contributed to modern Iran. We were in the forefront spearheading the Constitutional Revolution. We single-handedly spawned the women's rights movement in Iran. Under Yahya Dawlatabadi we helped erect the first modern education system in Iran, and our literary figures, such as Allameh Mohammad Qazvini and Ali-Akbar Dehkhoda, not to mention other members of the Dawlatabadi family, are well enshrined in the annals of modern Iranian history for their accomplishments. Through prime minister Mohammad-Ali Foroughi we were also responsible for safeguarding Iran's territorial integrity and legal sovereignty when the Allies invaded Iran in 1941.

So if you want to talk about my cult, have at it. But what has your cult accomplished -- and from the sounds of the immediate defense you got from Mooshie Jun and Ali9 Akbar/Sagkoochooloo, I take it you must also be a Bahaim like them?

Haalaaa boro rooto kam kon!

Nuri al Mozaf-Rakh goo, Ibne Pur-Roo

Of course, at the end everyone who disagrees with your bullcrap is Israeli - Dude, I have equal dicontent for your relgion as well as others. But you're cult is the one who screwed up my motherland. But that shall end soon. Not to worry thouhg, you can still shave that beard and remove the aba while there's still time. You can disappear in the crowd before they come for you.

Hala dige rooto kam kon....midonam Irooni nisti...

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IRAN BEFORE ISLAM 

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Googooli Magooli THIS!

What you said is irrelevent drivel when the mindless  and brainwashed dolt here is clearly yourself, and your lynch-mob-to-the-rescue cabal of dopeheads, without any shadow of a doubt! BTW I think you need to change mooshie jun's pitch-fork and get him a set of new teeth since it appears that out of anger he's ground his current set of dentures into powder!

I noticed you are also playing a silly but pretty transparent bait and switch game and are refusing to answer any points or questions put to you, but are demanding the same of everyone else.

Go ask your masters in Tel Aviv or Langley, Virginia how much I am getting paid. They have a perfectly accurate gauge of my nonexistent salary and pay rates for posting to this site.

Nuri googooli magooli

I said it is pointless to debate with mindless brainwashed drones like you. Would you like to tell me why you'd put yor wife in hejab? or why you may sanction stoning? Perhaps why you consider the worth of a woman to be much less than that of a man. Or.....

You never said why the Islamic world is quiet about the violence perpeterated by your ommaties right now.

I noticed you are available on demand to reply. Are you monitoring web traffic for the Islamic regime? How's the pay Abu?

mifahme migam boro raa baaz kon bezar baad beyad??

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IRAN BEFORE ISLAM 

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Ali9 Akbar/Sagkoochooloo sleight of hand is no argument

BAHAI Tactics & Techniques
//www.fglaysher.com/bahaicensorship/

"Slanderous Vilification" = The Baha'i Technique - Ad Hominem, Libel,
Slander, Demonize, Scapegoat, Ostracize, Shun, Banish, Backbite,
Defame, Vilify, Discredit, Smear, Revile, Suppress, Attack, Bully,
Intimidate, Threaten, Malign, Blackball, Deceive, Coerce, Silence,
Harass... etc., etc.... CAUTION NON-BAHAIS

Gee Azal .... Every time I read one of your vapid post's ...

it confirm to me the dearth of your intelligence....

The glory of stupidity

1. The Babi genocide of 1852 (funny that an Azali fails to recognize
this) followed by the Baha'i genocide of the early 20th century.

None of these were technically genocides. They were pogroms, and the numbers are pretty meagre and the instances not wholesale of the proportions of the Holocaust, Cambodia, Bosnia, Kosova,  Rwanda or what white-settlers committed in Africa, Australia and the Americas. Denis Maceoin has also pretty much proven the 20,000 number figure to be a myth, which Baha'i Ahang Rabbani has also concurred with. 

2. The Armenian Genocide of 1915 by theOttomans in Turky.

Was committed under the watch of the Young Turks regime who were technically secularists and not Muslims.

3. The Kurdish Genocide of the mid to late 1980's by Saddam Hussein.

Was not a Muslim orchestrated event. Saddam Hussein was the head of a Ba'athist regime in Iraq, which is a secular Arab national socialist ideology founded by an Arab Christian.

4. The Islamic Rebulic of Iran's genocide of the MKO and all the non-muslim grouing 1988.

Again, that is not technically a genocide, nor has the human rights community recognized it as such nor are there international resolutions defining that event as  specifically a genocide. It was a mass human rights violations of epic proportions, yes, but not a genocide. Sorry. Also, by non-Muslims you should be specific and say that the mass executions were predominantly of Leftists and leftwing political activists. There were no practicing Zoroastrians, Baha'is, Jews, Yarsan, Christians, Yezidis, etc, to the human rights community's knowledge, amongst that group.

You are an idiot, and this what instance now I have  publicly proven it?! Now run along and go pursue conversations more to the level of your nonexistent, uninformed intellect and leave these discussions to the adults. Scram...

ROFL - Bint CoP

For the record, I don't care what you consider me as, nor do I give a rat's backside for your Nuremberg-laws approach to who is or is not a member of your imaginary Persian Reich. I am Iranian, and obviously far more authentically Iranian than a Westoxicated chump like yourself could ever hope to be! But for the record I am not technically a Muslim at all. Yet for the record, do you mind telling us when was the last time you were actually physically in Iran? Meandering through Tehrangeles in West LA doesn't count as being in Iran, FYI.

Na, joon-i-to, please critically list all the inequalities and atrocities you are talking about, and let's have a critical historical discussion, if you think you even have what it takes, which I don't believe you do.

Dawn of Deceit (صبح دغل )

Allaho Abha.

This is the lastest sample ofderival as uttered by our resident Azali:

"Show me a single instance in Islamic history where the kind of
atrocities committed by Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia or
those in Bosnia at the hands of Christian Serbs and Croats and in
Rwanda at the hands of the Hutu and Tutsi tribesmen occured at the
hands of Muslims. Show me an instance where Muslims committed the kind
of mindless, wholesale genocide against entire Indigenous populations
the same way Europeans committed in the Americas, Africa and
Australasia."

Frankly I thought our resident Azali has learnt a lesson or two form his public humiliation and failure to come up with a single record of the word eshgh in Quran.

But not only has he not leraned a lesson (he is not known to be a sharp pupil) he is now posing his won "challenege" to the readership (see the above quotes).

Well Mister Deceitful Dawn, I cannot give you a single instance because there are at least 4 instances of Muslim executed genocide.

1. The Babi genocide of 1852 (funny that an Azali fails to recognize this) followed by the Baha'i genocide of the early 20th century.

2. The Armenian Genocide of 1915 by theOttomans in Turky.

3. The Kurdish Genocide of the mid to late 1980's by Saddam Hussein.

4. The Islamic Rebulic of Iran's genocide of the MKO and all the non-muslim grouing 1988.

Now Go Google Mashghaasem (i.e. Azali).

LOL - Abu Nuri

For the record: I do not believe that you are Iranian. If you are, no wonder we're so fu**ed up!  But no Perisan will use NURI even as a username...

Dude, first off, your concern for the environment is touching.....please do not piss in my shoes again, OK? 

Now then, just because there are/were atrocities in the world by various entities, it does not obsolve your cult of its wrong doings. You cult is strapping suicide vests NOW - TODAY - killing their own. What do you say to that abu?

The list if INEQUALITIES in Islam is endless and beyond my level of patience to list AGAIN. Besides, you people just will not address it anyway when anytone lists them.

This is pointless as we both know. You go ahead and beat your chest about your cult. I will continue to speak out against it.

And...long posts suck.

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IRAN BEFORE ISLAM 

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Cost of Progress

Anyone can selectively make arguments about a given historical entity/trajectory, let alone a whole civilization, without looking at the entire picture. Partiality, bias, self-delusion, smoke, mirrors and sleights of hand is what we humans are quite adept at and well known for.

You accuse Islam of being a blood-thirsty cult but are oblivious (deliberately) to the history of the blood-thirstiness of other similar entities. The Inquisition imposed by the Roman Catholic Church far outpaced in brutality and blood-thirstiness anything Islam currently stands accused of. The brutality and blood-thirstiness of twentieth century dictatorships, whether in their Nazi/Fascist or Stalinist permutations, would make Genghis Khan blush in shame! Show me a single instance in Islamic history where the kind of atrocities committed by Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia or those in Bosnia at the hands of Christian Serbs and Croats and in Rwanda at the hands of the Hutu and Tutsi tribesmen occured at the hands of Muslims. Show me an instance where Muslims committed the kind of mindless, wholesale genocide against entire Indigenous populations the same way Europeans committed in the Americas, Africa and Australasia. You cannot because they have not!

Furthemore, who is responsible for the current massive global environmental devastation (not to mention climate change) unprecedented so far in our recorded memory that is fast bringing this entire planet, its ecosystem and every species upon it to their knees? It certainly wasn't Islam, but rather the blind, destructive, greedy and very secular (crypto-Christian) industrial/post-industrial civilization of the West birthed as well as presently dominated by the white honkey mofo, i.e. the MAN.

You people can bury your heads in the sand as long as you like, conduct your Nazi-esque Kulturkamps (Utopian cultural struggles) and blame the convenient scape-goat for all the problems in Iran you - or if not you, your parents - helped create until you're blue in the face. But at the end of the day your bias, partiality and almost criminal selectivity in refusing to look at the historical bigger picture is not one grain or iota different than that of the very Islamists you call blood-thirsty. You two are the flip-side of the exact same coin, and you absolutely deserve each other!

I leave you with the Light Verse of the Qur'an (aya-i-nur) in the hopes that the NUR may somehow, someway, someday shine through the darkness of your head buried in the proverbial pitch-black dirt.

"The Godhead is the Light of the heavens and the earth;

The similitude of Its Light is as if there were a niche;

And within it a Lamp: the Lamp enclosed in Glass;

The glass as it were a glittering star;

Lit from a Blessed Tree;

An Olive, neither of the East nor of the West;

Whose oil is well nigh luminous, though no fire has touched it;

Light upon Light; the Godhead guides to Its Light whom It wills.

And the Godhead strikes similitudes/parables for the people, and the Godhead is knowledgeable over all things!"

Nuri - your idealogy is actually dim

Most religious people - in any religion - blame human intervention as the cause for the corruption of their cult (religion). This is what you have listed as the reason why Islam is such a blood thirsty cult.

But, think again Abu. Even if that were the case (which is not), the fact remains that today - NOW - this so-called religion is the most violent, anti-human entity there is.

Here's another question: Why is it that no Islamic nation, or people denounce the violence that is synonomous with islam today? Doesn't that negate any "good" that this relgion supposedly stands for?

"crack open the koran" you say? I have. Here's a taste:

"These two antagonists dispute with each other about their Lord; But those who deny (their Lord), for them will be cut out a garment of Fire over their heads will be poured out boiling water. With it will be scalded what is within their bodies, as well as (their) skins. In addition there will be maces (Clubs/whips) of iron (to punish) them. Every time they wish to get away therefrom, from anguish, they will be forced back therein, and (it will be said), "Taste ye the Penalty of Burning!"  (Quran-22: 19-22)"

Equality and peacefulness just oozzez out of it, doesn't it?

boro baba raa vaaz kon bezar baad beyaad.

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IRAN BEFORE ISLAM 

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