Savalan

Prophet, LOL

I heard that from my dad once, HAHAHAh, funny ars joke. Here's another one. A Turk and his camel are crossing the desert, a Persian comes along and says why are you traveling through the desert with a donkey, the Toork responds, can't you see that it's a camel and not a donkey? The Persian replies: I was talking to the camel XD 

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"They are not afraid of the ideology alone, but of the detemination and will of the men behind it"

 "I'd rather be hated for w

Niloufar - lighten up and get the joke

Savalan is a racist and a separatist. He is repeating the rhetoric of wstern backed, neocon supported separatists. And we're riding the crazy train with him all the way home. My comments are designed to show the absurdity of his rhetoric.

I'm actually kind of surprised.  One would think that an anti-American, anti-Zionist crusader like you would be the first one to call Brenda Scahfer's Zionist inspired anti-Iran propaganda. But it looks like you're not as pro-Iran as you want to portray yourself. Here's the most obvious neocon inspiredAnti-Iran piece on this site, and here you are oooohing and ahhhhing it.

Holy Jesus.

There is so much unity and comraderie:)) and agreement and "etefaghe nazar" among friends here, one would think to himself, you know what? Let us all just go to iran  and do what we have always wanted to do, today!

we will not get anywhere if you continue to push with the idea of Learn our language or get the hell out. all these idea-exchanging forums and efforts and time, would be a total waste of time. This is soemthing that needs to be understood and kept in mind. Otherwise no chance in hell of having any type of Democracy in irananytime soon.

Jeddi migam:))

VPK, AO (and targol)

shomaa digeh gandesho dar avardin.

i wasn't sure about it, but now i can see why savalon does this. this is exposing some nasty tendencies around this place. we have a diverse culture and different political ideologies and we are all at the same time equal. we don't always have to understand each other, but we do have to treat each other decently. surely that's the only basis for nationhood. otherwise we would have to keep looking for a common enemy. not a pretty way to live.

Iranian Marxists

are  idiot tools  of communist propagande :-) They are dumber than the Mullahs and more treasonous as well. For all their evil the Mollahs kept the nation together. Remind me to thank the Mollahs before I s**** them :-) 

Now Marxists are a different story. From inception they have put ideology above Iran. The assholes tried to split off Azarbayejan and Gilan to server Russia. Then wanted to sell Khosestan to Saddam. They are so used to treason they know nothing else. Sick bunch of puppies. Glad Khomeini took care of most of them. Even a broken clock is right twice a day. Anyway we are not going to put up with their idiocy. They are broken records over played and done with. Good bye Marx and Good riddance.

All Hail Max and Lennon:

//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/How_Can_You_Be_in_Two_Places_at_Once_When_You%27re_Not_Anywhere_at_All 

AO Jan

Torke ba Farse davash shodeh bood. Dostesh goft chi shodeh. Torke migeh Farse goft: Torkeh Khar. Dostesh goft: to ham bego Farse Khar. Torke goft: mage Fars ham khar mishe?

VPK jan

Houshang is at it again. He is slowly unravelling his separatist beliefs despite his best efforts at disguising them. He must be descended from Kuchak Khan Jangali. Communists like Houshang started break away republics in Gilan and Azarbaijan. Their ultimate goal is to set up tiny communist republics even if it means supporting ethnic separatists to achieve this objective. After the mullahs, these Communist/ethnic separatists are the most dangerous threat to Iran's existence.

Actually, VPK Jaan

you may not know this, but all of us "Fars" people (especially people like me who are "jad va bar jademaan" as they say, are from the Fars province), own minorities for our menial jobs.  As soon as we are born, we are assigned a "collection" of minorities (one from each "ostan") as our servants.  It's our government recognized birthright.  For example, aside from Mr. Asgharzadeh, I have a Baluchi, a Kurd, a Gilaki, an Arab and a Lur as my other servants.  They do various chores around the house for me.  The Baluch one is a particularly good gardener, I must say. :-))   

Hoshang Khan

Avalesh: Crackpot kodeti. Man ingadar shour daram ke comonist nabasham.

Now: People need to stop looking to the government for prosperity. The oil in Khosestan is a freebie. It is not erse babaye anyone. If people in a region want to do well they should rise to the occasion.

Of course communist ideology says government must do everything. Well sorry that ain't how it works. Now stop thinking in terms of free money. Start thinking in terms of taking care of ourselves.

Why all you nationalist crack pots( VKP, Parthian,...) have such

weird "pen-names," and avatars. As much as your wish to dismiss any notion of prejudice aganist national minorities in Iran, such "glorious" historical facts remains as valid as it ever were.

Furthermore the issue is not just Azarbayjan, Kurdestan,... what we have in Iran is a problem of non-development at the fringes of the country, with a center based in Tehran, sucking up all the national-resources. An example:  how could anyone in their right mind accept the fact that Khuzistan, responsible for more than 80% of national wealth , is one of the most under-developed regions in the country. Again it's not just Kuzistan, we also have Baluchistan,... almost everysingle corner of the country suffers from under-development, and all our die hard nationalists have to say is : " either speak Persian, or we'll send in the army!" 

Whether we like it or not, we have structrual, long-term, large-scale problems in Iran, the sooner we face them as mature adults, the sooner we might be able to solve them.

پروفسور علیرضا اصغرزاده: «ناسیونالیسم فارس در ایران»

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ibu9NMAe5k

Minority Rights

as iranians in exile*, we often demand ethnic and cultural rights for ourselves as minorities. one would have thought that this experience would make all of us more senstitive to the issues of ethnic minorities in iran too.

What are you taking about? 

• Iranians in the West do not make demands. Most of us are grateful to our hosts. We give instead of take. We learn the language and do not expect special privileges. You must be mistaking us with some other group.
• Many of us are not exiles. You definitely are not. I bet you could go back any time.
• The people who make demands are wrong. They should learn the language of their hosts. They should quit whining and actually do some good.

Now to the Iranians with some roots in Azarbayejan. We are not a minority. Many Iranians have some roots there. In fact the grand leader Khamenei is from there. It is Turks who occupy the Iranian provinces of Azarbayejan who make demands. I am meant both the province in Iran and the part temporarily "independent". If the Turks there do not want to be Iranian they should pack up and move. The world is sick of their demands.

In fact Germany thanks to Merkel just put them back down where they belong. Good for the Germans. No more of this "our language" BS. If you are a German: learn German. If you are an Iranian: learn Persian. If you are not: pack up and go.

No federalism in Iran, EVER

For all the clueless idiots out there who wanna create a weak divided federalist state in such a hostile region like the mid-east should not be taken seriously cause they're either mentally retarded, or don't have commen sense. No Iranian would ever agree to such terms, cause it would be the end of Iran.

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"They are not afraid of the ideology alone, but of the detemination and will of the men behind it"

 "I'd rather be hated for w

savalan

thank you for this and your other blogs highlighting a major failing in our social and political system.

i have some azeri roots too, and am totally supportive of a federal system in iran. it is the best way for democracy and stability.

we have a long way to go in this regard, and your contribution is essential in the process of sharing information for the sake of cultural growth and learning that we have to go through.

as iranians in exile*, we often demand ethnic and cultural rights for ourselves as minorities. one would have thought that this experience would make all of us more senstitive to the issues of ethnic minorities in iran too.

* or any other descriptive term one chooses to use!

AO Khan

So that is why Asgharzadeh was late for work at my house. He was supposed to wash my car.

BTW: "zadeh" is a Persian word meaning "born of". This dude is born of "Asghar". He even has a half Arab half Persian name. Some "Turk". 

Professor Asgharzadeh is my "nokar"

I hired him as such because, of course, I am a Persian and he is an Azari. Master and slave.  That's our respective places in the world:-))

Now, get a life. 

پروفسور علیرضا اصغرزاده: «تئوری ضد نژاد پرستی»

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=31ZxqSh7YFs

دکتر علیرضا اصغرزاده تحصیلات تکمیلی اش را در رشته های علوم سیاسی، فلسفه و جامعه شناسی در دانشگاه تورنتو به پایان رسانده است و هم اکنون در دانشگاه یورک به تدریس و تحقیق در حوزه های جامعه شناسی و آموزش و پرورش مشغول است. در کنار دیگر تألیفات، او مؤلف "ایران و چالش گوناگونی ها" (نشر پال گریو) و یکی از مؤلفین "تحصیل و تفاوت در آفریقا" است. او همچنین مقالات متعددی در مورد ایران، آذربایجان، خاورمیانه، تئوری اجتماعی، تئوریهای جامعه شناسی، زبان، پداگوژی و غیره در نشریات علمی و آکادمیک به چاپ رسانده است. 

Roozbeh Jan

I agree about what you say. There is a lot of irony in this. Specially that people wanted freedom and got this crap. Islamic Republic is poison to Iran. 

I do not know how it will turn out. However it is a tragedy what is happening. 

Now talking about idiots it was a pretty idiotic move replacing Shah with IRI.

spread ethnic and religious

spread ethnic and religious hatred amongst Iranians.

The regime spreads hate, division, amongst all humanity. It does not limit its bigotry and hate to one specific geographic location. In that sense it's an equal opportunity hater

Dear VPK:

My comments were not meant to endorse BBC or UN. Just to highlight th issues that you yorself highlighted.

BTW BBC report itself was a quotation from another independent human rights organisation.

UN has a large mebership and their reports, at least, are factual.

In any event I think we both agree that the policies of Islamist regime only spread ethnic and religious hatred amongst Iranians. I really think that there is a risk of break up of Iran if Islamist regime is allowed to continue with their criminal policies against kurds, balooch, turk and arab Iranians. Only last weekend I was discussing this with a group of elder relatives who were young to middle aged men during the shah. Non a monarchist. They all were telling me that this level of ethnic and in particular religious strife was unheard of during shah's regime.

To think that a whole generation of Iranians  sacrificed so much in a revolution meant to lead to better Iran, only for our country to end up like this, is simply tragic.

"Personal business must yield to collective interest."

Roozbeh Jan

There is no question Islamic Republic discriminates. Mosly by religion I might add. However I totally oppose the UN and other so called "International Community" interference. These organizations are not our friends. 

If we base our future in their hands we shall suffer. They have an agenda and it ain't to our benefit. I would love to see Islamic Republic go; be replaced by a democratic system. However decision should be up to Iranians not UN.

Furthermore quoting BBC is a big mistake; their goal is to wreck Iran. They do not even know how to say "Persian Gulf". BBC is our enemy: plain; simple.  UN itself is to joke of the millennial. It has one purpose: to further the aim of its "Permanent Members". What kind of organization gives veto power to 5 nations. The nature of UN is discriminatory so now they have the never to talk. I refuse to take the UN seriously as long as they practice apartheid of "Veto Power".

In conclusion: Yes the Islamic Republic discriminates. No it is not up to UN to fix it. We the Iranian people are the only ones who should right the wrongs. I therefore reject any authority of foreign powers over Iran in any way.

نگرانی سازمان ملل متحد از تبعیض قومی در ایران

Another report on ethnic and religious discrimination by Islamist regime, this time from the United nations:

//www.bbc.co.uk/persian/iran/2010/08/100827_l27_un_iran_racial_discrimination.shtml

"Personal business must yield to collective interest."

'تبعیض قومی و دینی در سطح گسترده در ایران برقرار است'

فدراسیون بین المللی جامعه های حقوق بشر در تازه ترین گزارش خود از تبعیض قومی و دینی "گسترده" در زمینه های سیاسی، اجتماعی، فرهنگی و اقتصادی ایران خبر داده است.

در این گزارش که با عنوان "رویه پنهان ایران" در اکتبر ۲۰۱۰ (مهر ۱۳۸۹) منتشر شده، آمده است که ایران با اعمال این تبعیض ها "به صراحت" تمامی عهدنامه های بین المللی حقوق بشر را که در آنها عضویت دارد، نقض می کند.

در بخش نتیجه گیری این گزارش آمده است: "رژیم ایران خواست مسالمت آمیز احترام به حقوق اقلیت ھا و رفع تبعیض را با سرکوب و ایجاد وحشت بیشتر، خشونت، دستگیری ھای خودسرانه، شکنجه، محاکمه ھای فوری و اعدام پاسخ می دھد."

این گزارش از مقام های ایرانی خواسته است که "مفاد قانون اساسی، قانون مجازات اسلامی و قانون مدنی" این کشور را که مسلمانان غیر شیعه و غیر مسلمانان را مورد تبعیض قرار می دهد اصلاح کنند.

همچنین در این گزارش از حکومت ایران خواسته شده است که به "تبعیض و آزار و اذیت غیرمسلمانان و مسلمانان اهل سنت، اقلیت های قومی و آزار منظم اقلیت بهایی" پایان دهد.

این گزارش همچنین از نهادهای بین المللی خواسته است که موضوع تبعیض اقلیت ها را در چارچوب روابط و گفتگوهای دوجانبه و چندجانبه مطرح کنند و نتایج مورد اشاره در این گزارش را که قرار است طی قطعنامه ای در مجمع عمومی سازمان ملل به تصویب برسد، مورد توجه قرار دهند.

این فدراسیون همچنین از سازمان بین المللی کار خواسته است که در چارچوب کنوانسیون ۱۱۱ سازمان بین المللی کار درباره تبعیض (استخدام و اشتغال) که ایران تصویب کرده، به موضوع "تبعیض سیستماتیک" در زمینه اشتغال توجه نشان دهد

"Personal business must yield to collective interest."

This fellow Savalan is Fooling No One ...

SEPARATIST TEMPTATIONS: Don't Let It Fool You ... Treason Exists ...

No need for brains

Very easy,

Your writing style all of the sudden imrpoved in grammar, although not in context.

At least if you are going to copy someone, give them alittle bit of credit. 

//listserv.linguistlist.org/cgi-bin/wa?A3=ind0707&L=lgpolicy-list&P=197044&E=1&B=------%3D_Part_92890_18869053.1183565161737&T=text%2Fhtml

“”The fact that Asgharzadeh refers to Iranian Azerbaijan as "Southern Azerbaijan" also gives him away as a supporter of a strange movement in the Former Soviet Republic of Azerbaijan to "unite" the two Azerbaijan populations. The fact that Iranian Azerbaijan has more than twice the population of the former Soviet Republic seems not to faze them.

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Some of Asgharzadeh's assertions about the "mythology of Iran" are truly bizarre--for example, his claim that the term "Aryan" is an invention of Western Orientalists--when it is easily found in classical Greek and Latin writings; or that the city of Persepolis was never completed. 

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Asgharzadeh's (and Shaffer's) highly questionable writings would merely be a weird little footnote in the history of the Middle East if it were not for the fact that they were being politicized and used by the neoconservatives to justify American intervention in Iran, and that the U.S. Department of Defense has maintained constant contact with miniscule groups of Azerbaijani separatists who have been rejected by the Azerbaijani population, but who continue to try to convince Dick Cheney's camp that given enough American resources they can topple the mullahs. “”

Comment: Note the professor part is a mistake, Asgharzadeh is a lecturer.

If that was not enough, just a look at Asgharzade’s historical knowledge is sufficient to show out right fabrication.

//meria.idc.ac.il/journal/2007/issue4/jv11no4a2.asp

Here are some examples:

A)

He states:

“In The Ancient History of Iranian Turks, Professor M.T. Zehtabi traced the origin of current Azeris to ancient Sumerian and Ilamite civilizations, dating back over 5,000 years. Through archeological and linguistic evidence, Zehtabi has shown that today's Azeris are remnants of such racial and ethnic components as the ancient Ilamites, Medes, and other agglutinative language peoples such as the Kassies, Gutties, Lullubies, and Hurraies.[”

Note Zehtabi was never a professor.  He just thought Turkish language at a lecturer level.  But what is the main point is that Agharzadeh calls the Medes an “Agglunitative language people” and even entertains such theories that ancient Elamites are ancestors of today’s Azeris.  This shows complete disregard to historical fact and even quoting such a nonsense shows that he actually entertains such a theory.

B)
Before Islam comes to the region, he claims (same article):

“Azerbaijan was thereafter ruled by the Roman Empire, the Persian Empire, and the Confederation of Caucasian Turks”

Which is false.  Azerbaijan was not ruled by the Roman empire nor confederation of “Caucasian Turks”.  There was no “Caucasian Turks” then.  There was occasional Khazar incursions into the Caucasus, but the Khazars themselves were not from the Caucasus.  Also the region was ruled by Iranian/Persian/Parthian dynasties like the Mihranids.

C)

Same article he states:

“The origin of written Azeri literature can be traced back to the famous epic of Dede Qorqut Kitabi (the Book of Dede Qorqud), which originated orally in pre-Islamic Caucasia and were put into writing in the sixth or seventh century.”

This nonsense does not even need a response here.  But from the main Dede Qorqud article:

Cemal Kafadar(1995), “in Between Two Worlds: Construction of the Ottoman states”, University of California Press, 1995. Excerpt: "It was not earlier than the fifteenth century. Based on the fact that the author is buttering up both the Akkoyunlu and Ottoman rulers, it has been suggested that the composition belongs to someone living in the undefined border region lands between the two states during the reign of uzun hasan (1466-78). G. Lewis on the hand dates the composition “fairly early in the 15th century at least”."

D)

Same article:

" Aside from Dede Qorqut Kitabi, there are other common Turkic works, such as Diwan Lughat at-Turk written by Mahmud of Kashghar in 1072-73 and Qutadghu Bilig written by Yusuf Khas Hajeb in 1077, that bear witness to the early literary works in the Azerbaijani language"

These are Eastern Turkic (close to Uighyur) literary works.  There was no literary work in the Azerbaijani-Turkic language at this juncture.

E)

“Nizami did not produce his work in the Azeri language, his narratives are nonetheless rooted in Azeri culture and tradition.”

What is the relationship between Sassanid Bahram Gur and Sasanid Khusraw and Shirin, with Turkic culture of Dede Qorqud. 
Here is what a real Nezami scholar states:

Chelkowski, P. "Nezami's Iskandarnameh:"in Colloquio sul poeta persiano Nizami e la leggenda iranica di Alessandro magno, Roma,1977 “: "In the case of previous romances of Khosraw and Bahram, Nizami dealt with national Iranian heroes, though from pre-Islamic times. In the tale of Layla and Majnun, the Arab nationality of the lover is of no importance since the story is based on a simple Arab folktale which was later absorbed and embellished by the Persians”

Are the names Bahram, Khusraw, Shirin, Farhad also Turkish?

F)

“Around the eleventh and twelfth centuries, Azeri language and literature flourished under the rule of Shirvanshahs”

There is not a single work in Azeri-Turkic language from the 11th and 12th century.  Specially under the Shirvanshahs who did not produce a single Turkish work at this time.  In actuality, the Shirvanshahs did not even consider themselves Turkish, let alone produce Turkish works.

This is just an outright fabrication!

On the footnotes is another mistake

Keith Hitichins, "The Caucasian Albanies and the Arab Caliphate in the Seventh and Eighth Centuries," in R. Savory (ed.), Iran under the Safavids. (Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 1980), p. 4.

There is no such article!

In the end, just like we cannot quote blogs, we cannot quote listservs.  Or else this would be another review of Shaffer’s work (given by a full professor and not a lecturer with no real academic position)

//listserv.linguistlist.org/cgi-bin/wa?A3=ind0707&L=lgpolicy-list&P=197044&E=1&B=------%3D_Part_92890_18869053.1183565161737&T=text%2Fhtml

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Savalan Pishevari with USSR helped tried and failed to separate Azerbaijan.  Aliev and Turkey will also fail, but this time, they are not a superpower like USSR.. when Iran gets back on its feet, it will teach these guys a lesson through Armenians/Kurds.  So they better stop the silly games now before it backfires on them. 

Smart Aryan!!

@madadi2000, How did you find?! You are so smart and real Aryan. ha ha ha

Pan-Turk destruction of cultural heritages

See here:

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZu2zqFE_gI

 All these guys Zamani, Asgharzadeh and etc. are funded by Aliev's regime..

long-term temporary detentions???

Is that like unintentionally on-purpose!

Copy & paste warrior

Just copied a portion of Savalan's recent post and founded in other google blocks.. it is racist crap from a lunatic named Alireza Asgharzadeh... One can see a complete response to this idiot here:

//azargoshnasp.net/recent_history/atoor/responseasgharzadeh/asghrazadehresponse.htm

The iranian national identity is what it is, and the Persian language is one of its major glues.  The Iranic languages and history are also a major part of it.  Pan-Turks do not like this.. so too bad.  

Observer

This guy can't answer the questions you throw at him cause he doesn't have them. He just rants about Pan-turkish donkey rapist racist garbage from some unknown sites and bloggers who noone cares about or has ever heard off cause they're all nobody's.

 Now I see why Toorks are regarded as such clueless idiots who believe anything by the whole world.

 Long live the Persian/Iranian Azeris.

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"They are not afraid of the ideology alone, but of the detemination and will of the men behind it"