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ZahraBahrami- Be her voice

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نگذار صدايش را خاموش كنند

زهرا بهرامی ۴۶ ساله و مادر دو فرزند است. زهرا  كه شهروند هلند نيز ميباشد سال ١٣٨٨به قصد ديدن فرزندش به ايران رفته بود. او چند روز پس از تظاهرات ششم دی ١٣٨٨، در تهران توسط ماموران وزرات اطلاعات دستگير شد. روز ششم ديماه
تعداد دستگیر شدگان را توان و امکانات مزدوران بسیج و سپاه و لباس
شخصی‌‌ها تعیین
میکرد. اگر هزاران نفر را دستگیر و زندانی کردند تنها به این دلیل بود که
نتوانستند هزاران نفر دیگر را، همه تهران را دستگیر کنند. زهرا  را ابتدا به زندان گوهردشت و بعد به اوین، به بند ۲۰۹ انتقال دادند. و امروز همه دنیا میداند که با

زندانیان در این زندان‌ها چه میکنند.

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براى اطلاعات بيشتر در رابطه با كارزار "من صداى او هستم" لطفا به وبلاگ و سايت اينترنتى زير مراجعه نماييد:

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www.iranpoliticalprisoners.com

Manipulated gifts

After reading your posting i have known about political prisoners in Iran. Great information & likable. I Want to share my Manipulated gifts that you can present someone.

Mash Ghanbar

Well said.

Houshang

My right nut-sack alone has contributed more to the fight against the islamist regime than any left associated group. Every group that is taken seriously by the Iranian people is on the right, mainly nationalistic groups who wanna benefit their country.

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"They are not afraid of the ideology alone, but of the detemination and will of the men behind it"

Rea, the reason for dis-integration of Yogoslavia was not having

too many languages , but a bureaucratic, top-down system of party control, and a single party rule at that. In other words a lack of workers managment, workers democracy. 

Parthian: learn how to write English, do use spell check, do some reality check, and you'll see how every single major struggle against Islamic Republic for the past 31 years (from campuses, to factories, to refugees, to Kurdestan, to...) has been, is, and will be organized and led by Iranian Left. Get used to it.

Vpk

That is All right . I will get over you, I know i will.

BTW, since when do i need tocheck with everyone here to see whether it is ok to agree with someone or not? Did you or did you not see that i specified the part of the comment i agreed with? Did it not occur to you by any chance, there was a reason for making that specification???

You know.  I have seen the rude side of you and the rude side of so many others in here too. This is not a holy place after all and people go through motions and say things they are not supposed to, yet that has not stopped me or others not agreeing with them and not necessarily taking the same side as them.

Houshang

Whether you wanna deal with it or not, I am your typical Iranian. I share more views with the Iranian peiople than let's say a commie or a shameless islamist who have abandoned their nation and most importantly, their people. 

Why is it that all the people who hold views that are associated with the small minority (Islamists, (especially communists) Americanized ultra-liberals) always tryt o say that "who made you the voice of 70 million Iranians?" (I personally believe they say this to make theirselves feel better) well, how about you go to Iranians and talk to to them about these issues, cause the way you douch-bags sound seems like you don't interact with regular Iranians at all and live in another world completely.

I dare anyone to go to a crowed of Iranians and show support for this regime, and see if they don't chase your ass. The communists will just be laughed at cause they pose a threat to the people as much as an angal in my dogs anus.

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"They are not afraid of the ideology alone, but of the detemination and will of the men behind it"

Dear Targol

I come from ex-Yugoslavia.

It had started with languages, in the end, it cost us hundreds of thousands of lives.

Late here, nite. ;o)

Not only a Persian chuvanist, but also a male chuvansit,

talk about  a double whamy!

HAR DAM AZ EIN BAGH BARY MEIRESAD,

KHOBTAR AZ KHOBTARY MEIRESAD.

What did I say about those gases!

And who died and made you the spokesperson for 73 million

Iranians?

Or is your opinion based on extensive field research?

Or as they say in Persian is it based on BOKHAR MEEADEH?

So Lefties and Liberals are buffons, but commentators with fake "pen-names", stupid avatars and even stupider one-liners, are symbols of moderation and sanity!

Have a nice day and suck some Zereshk, it'll help with the gases your omitting.

federalist nation = a weak b!atch

You can't expect everyone to have the same agenda's or goals for the country when you're so ethnically diverse and divided, and federalism, which basically is giving a big F.U to Iranians and Iran, would create NATIONS INSIDE A NATION, do you know what that means? You can expect all our neighbors in the mid-east to arsrape us into extinction in a couple of decades.

We need to be united under one banner of flag, goal and ideology, and that ideology involves Iranian/Persian nationalism.

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"They are not afraid of the ideology alone, but of the detemination and will of the men behind it"

 "I'd rather be hated for w

Iranians don't want a federalist run state

I repeat, DON'T want a federalist country, they would rather seperate than to have such a "nation", especially when it's surrounded by such nations who would take peices of Iran if they had the chance. All you communist baffons and americanized/westernized ultra liberals should seriously stop your barking, cause Iranians want nothing to do with your bull-crap, especially the commies who only care about money and not about the nations dignity, honor, culture nor identity. Just stay in the U.s  or abroad and do your thing.

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"They are not afraid of the ideology alone, but of the detemination and will of the men behind it"

 "I'd rather be hated for w

The royal courts of India and Turkey in which Persian was spoken

as the "official" language were not in Iran.

H.Targol

Don't need to be Iranian to know that Farsi is lingua franca in Iran.

That aside, VPK is one of my favourite commenters here. There were others, but they've gone missing in action. ;o)

Dear Rea, since you don't speak Persian, it might not be a bad

idea to mention that Persian for centuries has been the Lingua franca of the region around Iran. As a matter of fact it was THE COURT LANGUAGE both in India and Turkey. So there's very little debate about the historical or present capacities of Persian language.

However as you correctly mention, lack of attention to cultural sensitivites of national or lingustic minorities always has negative consequences. Idealy in a free, democratic, open society you could and should have a national standard language to carry on all tasks nation-wide, and at the same time give autonomy to each region that deems neccessary to also speak their native tongue.

Somehow this very basic, simple, rational proposition seems to put our dear hyper "nationalist" on fire, accusing anyone who even dares to mention cultural autonomy as "lacky of foreigners," ...go figure!

Interesting comments

From my own experience, there must be one language, common to all. Lingua franca.

But different ethnicities' languages must be respected. Otherwise, you are heading for trouble. 

Language is more than a means of communication, it is part of one's identity. 

Mash Ghanbar

I was going to stop replying but this merits one more response. Sir by taking sides with a particular rude person you show where you come from. I have no more business with you. In fact I was wrong to call you sane. I am done with you.

Hooshang

I second that last part of your comment. True, Indeed.

VPK

Well, With all these movements and Maskhare bazi. You still have a great majority who speak spanish in their homes and at their Job sites. That is another fact you should seriously look into.

Now they can move it and shake it all they want.

You sure Pick the Big issues there, on your list of realities:))

To the loony well disguised prophet of whatever,

Your true colors show when you agree with Khomiein and Shah on their most fascist acts. For your blindness' info, socialist are EVERYWHERE in Iran, in factories, campuses, offices.

You've been in US too long to even know what goes on in Iran, but :

EVERY SINGLE May 1st ( that's the  socialist celebrationof the workers' day) all the socialists in Iran, from Tehran to Tabriz, Isfahan, Shiraz, Mash'had, Kernamshah, Abadan, Sanandaj, ... we organize events through out Iran.

EVERY SINGLE March 8th ( that's the socialsits' day for celebrating women's rights) socialists organize in every city in Iran.

EVERY SINGLE 16th of Azar ( that's the students day in Iran) Leftists, socialist students organize events in almost every major campus.

Twice in Kurdestan the Left has succdessfully organized GENERAL STRIKES that shut down the whole province, and points out the path to liberation from IR.  

So keep on ordering you Zereshk, and Tameshk and Ghareh Ghorot from IR, see if you could keep them in power for another day with your "imports."

Your beloved "English only movement" in the US is thinly disguised,  most racist ,White Supremacy, closet-Nazi anti-immgrant tool of the ruling elite, what they've done in Arizona is just one sorry instance of their real aims. Have a nice day, and  some more Zereshk.

NP Jaan

Mash Ghanbar said there was no English Only in USA. That is false. Sure the web side may not be sympathetic to the movement. But the movement
is very much there. These propositions all passed. And you know what: I voted for the one in California.

Here is an excerpt from an article:

In the November 1988 elections, three states—Colorado, Arizona, and Florida—passed measures making English the official language of those states. These victories were foreshadowed by the passage, in 1986, of Position 63 in California. Proposition 63 amended the state constitution to declare English the official language of California and charged the legislature and state officials with the preservation and enhancement of English as the common language of the state.

Now keep denying reality. 

NP

Yes indeed.

It was sort of odd for me since the link for the website that VPK had provided proved the exact opposite of his claims. But heck (gosh i am sounding like Sargord now). what the hell do i iknow right? after all he has lived here in joo ess A and he knows:)))

The fact of the matter is, even if the government tries to force the residents of various localities to adhere to one language and abandon their own, the more it will backfire.

mash ghanbar

well said mashti!:) 

another example is the welsh, scots and irish who have their own languages that they are allowed to teach/learn at school, yet there is an official national language that everyone accepts.

Gabele Tavjoeh VPK

3) Would official English laws promote national unity?

No. Switzerland has three "official" languages and is a model of national unity, while Spain suffered three year bloody civil war when it had one "official" language. Social unity can only exist based on respect for people of different languages and cultures and not the repression of them. Language diversity does not cause social disunity. Similarly, monolingualism does not guarantee social unity.

resting the case:)

VPK

LOOL

Are you all right Buddy? You know, I checked out that Link you has in your post and I found these in the FAQ section. You must have forgotten about it:

Is the primacy of the English endangered?
Are recent immigrants resistant to learning English?
Would official English laws promote national unity?
Aren't "English Only" laws simply harmless symbolic act 

what was funny was that the answer to all these questions had started with a Big fat NO. So maybe you should go easy on "you are wrong" all the time around here. I don't see hoshang as a traitor and i bet that if you don't push yourself you will see the same thing too. your problem is , and it is a problem that you will see everyone as a traitor if they do not hold the same exact position as you. Ok. I am sorry you are not a fear monger ! and how exactly am i showing my true colors here? You see what i just said? You want everyone in the same boat or they are either morons, name callers, or showing their true colors... Ok fine. You are spreading rumors. is that better?

we will see what people WILL demand of Governments in IRAN and we WLL not make predictions and speculation as if we know what is right. In the meantime, You and Your hatred towards Mrxists and being happy that their demise was a good thing , screams of your lack of desire for any true democratic system in iran. There is no way you can hide this from now on. and THAT my friend will be YOUR true and PAK nashodani Color.

Mash Ghanbar

I have said my bit and am done. You don't agree fine. Here is my last post for now:

1) Yes Canada is having separatism problems because the French speaking part wants it. Not all but a big mount vocal group. Just as the big mount Marxist here.

2) There is a huge English Only movement in USA. If you deny that you are simply wrong. Just Google "English Only Movement" and you get tons of hits.

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3) I said Iranians are not Swiss. Not that we are worse. Just different. We have the traitors like Hoshang who want to break Iran while Swiss do not.

By calling me "Fear Monger" you are showing your real color dude. I can use names too but I chose not to call you names. 

No Iranian government will go for this stuff. Neither IRI nor any other. Glad Khomeini took out the Marxist. He was a criminal but at least did this one thing right. Thank god we do not have many of them left in Iran; just a bunch of exiles forever.

Hoshang

You are rude and full of yourself. Who appointed you a teacher? Maybe you like to puff yourself up and babble. I have seen you use rude words against anyone you disagree with.

If you are a teacher then my dog is a full professor.

I am not going to bother discussing stuff with you. Because the Marxist brain is dried up. 

As a teacher my first task has always been to be a good listener

and indeed some of your remarks do make sense and are coherent:"There is nothing wrong with Iranians celebrating their Kurdish, Azari, Baluch and Arab cultures even if they want to speak their own languages privately - and indeed it is what makes Iran so rich and versatile,.."

Problem arises when you make yourself the self-appointed gurardian of national minorities in Iran. The most efficent, coherent way to maintain a healthy nation, and scoiety is to make it as free and as open as possible like: Canada, US, Australia,Sweden,... you catch my drift.

Now if we have a truly democratic, open, non-authoritarian country, in which mutual respect and mutual aid is the cornerstone of our body politics, and no national minority seeks to change anything: so be it.

But if we claim to adhere to democracy,but dismiss, distort and  suppress minorities right, then we are just as bad as Shah and Khomeini ( yes I know, the former is your hero,... that is your constituional right to hero worship whoever you please, as long as you don't hurt anyone else during your worship!).

P.S. Military action against IR by definition is a very limited area of engagment, and for it to be truly successful it needs to rely on the most massive, popular orgainzing effort possibel. Untill and unless we have at least half the population in Iran [25 to 30 million at least] organized in their respective communities ( neighborhoods, factories, campuses, offices,...) any talk of armed action, is pre-mature and dangreous.

However with mullah's program to eliminate all subsidies, we actually might arrive at that point [ very soon] in which the overwhelmin majority of population have no other choice but to organize to overthrow the Islamic Reoublic of Hell. All power to the people!

Houshang Jafang

Keeping true to your communist ideology you excell at spreading misinformation and lies.

Firstly, I have ALWAYS said that the removal of the Islamic Republic must be carried out by the IRANIAN PEOPLE through the establishment of an Iranian Leiberation Army. However, any military campaign against the Islamic Republic will be short lived without a sustained airforce protecting the troops on the ground. It was the American enforced no-fly zone which protected the Kurds and the Shia Arabs in the south. I have no problem with Americans or the Israelis to take out the Basij and the Republican Guards. They can all die and be consigned to hell. The Iranian people will then play a decisive role in shaping the country without the Mullahs. It was outside intervention that freed Yugoslavia and South Africa from despoitc regimes. 

Finally, I never said Kurds are violent. I condemned the PKK terrorists and violent separatists movements whether they be Kurd, Baluch or Azari.

I never said I am a Persian and I never used the word 'Persian' to describe myself. Ian is a country which represents all the Iranian peoples and ethnicities which is why Reza Shah the Great changed the name of the country in 1935. Iranians of all colour and backgrounds share a common culture, history and even genetic makeup. The Kurds themselves believe they are descendants from the Medes and celebrate many of the ancient Persian festivities so therefore their 'race' is virtually inseperable from other Iranaians. The silent majority of Iranians are proud to speak Farsi and do not support the separatist terrorists. This should teach you a lesson not to kowtow to the demand of a few violent groups who happen to shout the loudest. I accept that the Islamic Republic has fueled division between Iranians but Iran should remain an indivisible country with one official languuage. There is nothing wrong with Iranians celebrating their Kurdish, Azari, Baluch and Arab cultures even if they want to speak their own languages privately - and indeed this is what makes Iran so rich and versatile- just like the USA but the Iranian national identity, borders and sovereignty are not open for negotiation. 

If you go down the root which  Niloufar Parsi susggests and have a  federation of ethnic Bantustans then this will be the first stage of the fragemntation and then destruction of Iran. The Russians to the north and the Arabs to the west want to see this happen so that Iran will disappear from the face of the earth forever. Remember the Communists almost made this happen in Gilan and Azarbaijan.

I thank God communism is dead.

Listen to me Houshang.  You might learn something. 

VPK

LOL

Where do you get all these facts from Anyway? My god.

Canada's Political problems stems from Multi-liguism? are we that much of simpletons to even believe that for one second? Can it be the real, essential and the root cause of Separatism in any country? You don't think there are larger issues at hand?

US does NOT have such movements. Faaar from it. I live in US and I know and i see too:)) So do many of us and we see and experience something totally different from what you experience.! It is a fact that market has accomodated the latino labor force and does not make it mandatory for them to speak english, Keeping in mind thatthe most of those who cross the borders are not even here to fill up good paying positions,. The rest who are, already earned their credentials and are on their way up.

No. the Swiss are not like the iranians and no one expects them to be. But so what? You are essentially saying that iranians can not make this thing work and are more naive, Is that not true?

This is not a comparison of status of various languages, in order to assign them a ranking, On which basis we can determine their importance. German vs Baluchi? of course not as popular but it has its own popularity on the local level,

WHo is Depriving people of Hafez? Why making all kinda of exaggerations? Ohhh You people are Marxists... Ohhh All you wantis Gov, Hand out and hampering progress of our nation... Ohhh ... Why do you wanna take our shabe shers and Hafez and ferdowsi away from us.. ohhh... Multilingualism is a code word :))) for separatism and whinning...

Listen to yourself Haj agha:)

You sound like a fear-monger here.