Iranian.com or Palestinian.com?

Faramarz_Fateh
by Faramarz_Fateh
19-Jan-2009
 

Have you noticed our reaction when someone, normally an American, calls us an Arab?  Or during a discussion someone refers to all people of mid eastern origin as Arabs?  We generally rip them a new asshole and then proceed to educate them.

There is typically no love lost between Iranians and Arabs unless there is a third party is involved and that third party is Israel and the Jews.

Since the recent conflict in Gaza, I have seen and or read over 100 postings on Iranian.com regarding the atrocities of Israel.  If a new reader comes across Iranian.com he or she will be really confused as to whether this is Iranian.com or Palestinian.com.

If you are a supporter of IRI, then there is no question about the love.  Palestinian thugs, riding in Jeeps and carrying automatic rifles were a big factor in the early days and months of the Islamic revolution.  The Iranian regime owes them and owes them big.

If you are a true Iranian who yearns for a free secular and democratic Iran, rid of Islam and Arab influence, you would normally be on the side of Israel.  But the hatred of Jews which starts at age 5 or 6 via brain washing for most Iranian Muslim kids is so strong that it has blinded most Iranians.  I know about this first hand.  I was born and raised in a Muslim family.  The bull shit I was told about Jews and Bahais by my older aunts and uncles and family friends make one's head spin.  Don't tell me you did not hear these things because I don't believe you for a second.

Israel is defending herself and its right to exist.  To guarantee its long term security, Israel has been like a whore to the U.S.  But can you blame Israel?  I don't.  They live in a neighborhood with hundreds of millions of quasi savages who are hell bent on destroying them.  Any and all action for self defense in my opinion is justified.

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i think it's safe to say that

by Anonymous commentor (not verified) on

any comments from non-iranians ON THIS WEBSITE come from people who either know well, live with, HAVE visited, or frequent iranian.com. those who don't have any affinity with iranians are hardly a voice to be listened to and should be dismissed. but to dismss opinions and comments from those non-iranians mentioned before is ARROGANT. these are the people who are trying to bridge the gap between two different cultures. these people ABSOLUTELY have the right to make comments or form opinions based on their exposure to said relationships, most particularly those found on iranian.com.

sarcasm and hypocrisy will serve NO ONE's best interest. hidden agendas HAVE been exposed recently and it's been a moral shock to many people.

to those who say that non-iranians have no right to comment on iran, good OR bad, then i say to you that you have LIMITED right to comment on american issues which you are TOTALLY UNFAMILIAR WITH.

i.e. comments regarding times, places, people or events that happened before you moved FROM your beloved iran to the evil empire.

if you respond by saying you KNOW about such history from books or media or if you say that you don't have to have lived here during the 60's or 70's to KNOW how it was, then i say to you that you are a hypocrite.

remember. it cuts both ways.

and to imply that non-iranians support any particular blogger because it's AGAINST iran is...
well, i hardly know how to address that. it's simply sad and vindictive.

fortunately those people who are fair and unbiased will recognize the truth of this. others will form their opinions based on their own anger and desire for retaliation. YOUR days are numbered.


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ایراندخت

علی‌ جننتی (not verified)


بر خلاف شما من معتقدم که آقای فاتح جزو تنها پوستر‌های این سایت باشه که حرف خودشو با راحتی‌ و صداقت مینویسه. در ضمن، شما از کجا میدونی‌ که پوستر‌ها کی‌ از کجا هست، ایرونی یا خارجی‌؟ شما خودت ایرون زندگی‌ میکنی‌ یا خارج؟ دامت گرم فرامرز خان، هرچی‌ میگی‌ راست میگی‌. جون علی‌ ادامه بده دل مارو خنک کن


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Funny how some here have

by KouroshS (not verified) on

Funny how some here have taken the liberty to set others straight or give them advice on how to
preserve their dignities and values!
It is totally wrong to classify us as Pro or anti-IRI based solely on our views of the jewish people, However,Regardless of how many jewish friends or aquaintances we may have had in our lives, the fact is that some of us were brainwashed with such nonsense and there is no denying that. Some here demonstrate such close-mindedness in calling his family "racists" rather than blaming it on their possible lack of a better understanding.


IRANdokht

telling...

by IRANdokht on

FF  what's telling here is how all the non-Iranians agree with you whole-heartedly. Especially some who have never even been to Iran or don't even speak the language. What you brought up here, even if existed in parts of Iranian society would not be a "known phenomena" for those who did not experience it.

Even people like myself who grew up there, were not exposed to nor encouraged to accept such bigotry. how can foreigners who have never set foot in Iran know what was going on where you grew up?

That's why it sounds very fishy when they pretend to know and have a real honest understanding of all things "Iranian", more than the real Iranians do. Or is it because you're putting down Iranians and they're more than happy to support you? Think hard about it Mr Fateh...

Their support is not worth the lies and generalizations. Please set your values and priorities straight and do not compromise your dignity. 

Thank you

IRANdokht


mahmoudg

Bravo Faramarz

by mahmoudg on

You actually speak what is truly on the minds of millions of Persians.  We really dont have any quarell with Isarel or the Jews, but deep inside we ALL hate the Arabs.  But since we have been taught since the early ages to dislke the Jews we tend to do so, blindly.

Afterall, Israel has never invaded Persia, yet the Arabs did and made a mess of our civilization. Even if they bomb the nuclear facility, it is only a bombing campagin and not an all out invasion and we would still consider them friends more so that we can ever call an Arab a friend or worthy of being one.


Niloufar Parsi

Sara jan

by Niloufar Parsi on

yes i noticed! What a pathetic character....!


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Fateh the Brave!

by Ajam (not verified) on

What are you trying to prove here with your drivels? What have you had to offer here, except posing as the Sha'aban Bimokh for IDF, promoting hate speech and propagating utter lies such as "Palestinian thugs, riding in Jeeps and carrying automatic rifles were a big factor in the early days and months of the Islamic revolution. "?!

Do you actually expect people to believe that B.S.?! Look who is supporting you here... a few quasi-fascist nut-jobs like yourself who have no credibility with a rational observer!


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Palestine Post

by Iranian Skeptic (not verified) on

Just got off the phone with Ariana Huffington. Seems like someone sent the link to your super intelligent blog to Huffington Post. She said your excellent prose and reasoning and your compassionate thinking has moved her to see that she, too, has been letting Huffington Post become "Palestine Post" recently, through the sheer number of blogs and contributions by leaders and politicians and artists who are speaking up against Israel's attacks on Gaza.

Seriously dude, for someone who lives in this world in the 21st century, could you be any more insensitive, self-righteous, and idiotic in your reasoning?


rosie is roxy is roshan

Anti-Semites

by rosie is roxy is roshan on

I thought I might be able to clarify a couple of things

I have only very rarely experienced anti-Semitism on this site But that only says soething about the site, not about Iran (or the entire expat community).  Any publiction will attract mostly readership with ideloogies not that far from the publishers'. So naturally the people here in general are not racist. It only makes sense. And remember too the site is filtered n Iran.

The site doesn't say very much about Iranians in general because it has a specific readership and is vast majority expat. I suspect there is or has been more anti-Semitism over in Iran than here onsite. People here who claim there is little Anti-Semitism in Iran must remember that najes means najes, period. Jews have told terrible experiences here about being ostracized for being najes. But I doubt the families of majority here did that to the Jews.

In general (but not always) racism finds fertile soil in ignorace. The one experience of real anti-Semitism I experienced from an Iranian IN THE FLESH in New York happened to be the least educated and most devoutly Muslim Iranian I ever et..

If a little more anti-Semitismcame up here since the Gaza situation here that is only to be expected especially with all the wieird  and dastardly agendas constantly being iputed to vocal Gazan supporters by the Zionists However I would hardly say that this anti-Semitism lately has been legion..


Faramarz_Fateh

Ajam....If you live in Iran, I live on the moon

by Faramarz_Fateh on

Stop the lies dude.  You live in the U.S., U.K. or Canada.  There is no need to check with anyone.  From your writing its obvious that you use atleast 2 and probably 3 log in names.  Why you do this who knows.  But my assessment is that you are a coward.

My offer for the one way airplane ticket is still good.  Go there and fight alongside your Muslim brothers and kill some of them Zionists.

I'll even go one step further; I'll pay for your return ticket too.  


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Let them fight their wars!

by Erunee 1 (not verified) on

Just because I do not agree the current regime in Iran I should agree with whatever Israel does.On the other hand because Iran supports Hamas and Islamic Jihad we should side with them.In my opinion Iran is trying to take advantage of Jew/Muslim or Arab/Israeli conflict to to spread their influence and give their regime legitimacy.


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Fateh, time for refill...

by Ajam (not verified) on

Fateh, time for refill or your testostrone level will reach the red zone. May be THAT's your problem... too much cajones, and too little brain!

You are the one advocating eradication, not me! Why don't you use your bus ticket yourself and go to Gaza, you know... it's like shooting fish in tank! You can kill Arabs as you brag about here? It would be theraputic too!

Please, stop lying about my "previous log-in names," for I have never used a log-in name, or another anonym name. JJ and other moderators would know (i.e. IP) if I'm lying . Why don't you ask them?!

I do live in Iran... so what? Are you gonna fine me for not having asked for your permission to travel in or out?!


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Kashani a question for you?

by Anonym7 (not verified) on

Kashani_jAn, is this jewel (Mr. Fathi) your disciple or you are his disciple? In terms of rewriting history he is surpassing you with imagination and hallucination. He claims: "Palestinian thugs, riding in Jeeps and carrying automatic rifles were a big factor in the early days and months of the Islamic revolution. " !!!!!!?


Mammad

FK

by Mammad on

Do not worry about my "poisoning" of minds. According to your repeated claims, the "vast majority" of people accept your absurd history rewriting (history is just a matter of "opinions," according to you), connecting dots that are not connected (IRI survives because of the Israel/Palestinians conflict, or Osama ben Laden got his inspiration from the IRI), and exaggerations (the vast majority of people think like you). So, they recognize my "poisoning" as soon as they see them. No worries.

Instead of posting such meaningless arguments, try to find a cure for the disease with which you are afflicted: The disease of impulsively saying something when you have nothing sensible to say.

I used to think that it may be possible to debate issues with people like you. I was totally wrong. There is nothing that I want to debate with you. The gap between your "reality" and mine is just too vast. Such a debate would be useless. I will no longer respond to what you direct at me. Say what you want. I will continue to comment on your fabrications, though.

Mammad


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Don't get confused Fateh!

by Anonym7 (not verified) on

Mr. Fateh, don't confuse me with Ajam! First of all I don't nearly write as eloquently as Ajam, secondly I never took your "alaska" article seriously!
BTW, I totally disagree with those people who call you Zionist, I believe one should not insult the Zionists by calling you Zionist.


Farhad Kashani

Mammad,   Sometimes

by Farhad Kashani on

Mammad,

 

Sometimes it’s astonishing to when I think about someone like you educating (i.e poisoning) the mind of the new generation in this country with your misguided and ideologically driven anti U.S interpretation of things.

 

Nobody is advocating the destruction of historical sites in Ghazvin or Isfahan. Why are you so cliché oriented???? What Faramarz is saying is that we need to have a country where religion and state are separate. It is OK to be religious, as long as you’re educated and enlightened enough to make sure that in your country, religion and state should remain separate. Kind a like the U.S. About half of the people consider themselves religious, but a majority of those religious ones understand that religion and state should be separated.

 

Another important point is that Islam needs a renaissance. The reason that Christian countries were able to advance largely goes back to the fact that the liberal interpretation of Christianity overwhelmed the fundamentalist interpretation of it. In Islam, the case is the reverse. At this point, and thanks to your beloved Khomeini, a fundamentalist version of Islam is the dominant one.

 

One last point, this site has indeed become “Palestinian.com” for IRI supporters, because for IRI to survive, it needs the life support system of Israel bashing. Without bashing Israel, with peace between Israel and Arabs, IRI cannot survive. That’s why it’s doing everything possible in its power for peace not to happen between Israel and Arabs. It’s openly ordering Hamas not to accept Israeli cease fire. It is just sad at a time when our country is under the brutal assault of the IRI, there are some Iranians like you, who spend their time and energy engaging in the Palestinian Israeli feud. It’s like if Germans under Hitler not talking about their country, and rather talking about the Russian revolution and the state of Russians under the Communist regime! What are the priorities here? It only makes sense one way: that you are promoting IRIs propaganda. That’s all.  


Faramarz_Fateh

Ajam, time to grow cajones

by Faramarz_Fateh on

Why don't you grow some cajones and post with your previous log in names.....When did you start using Ajam?  

Also, don't quit your day job....Using words such as "complex" doesn't qualify you as a psychologist.

Lastly, if you love Iran and IRI so much, why don't you live there?!

You want to fight bullies like USA and Israel?  Go right ahead.  I'll buy you a one way ticket to Gaza.  


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Mr. Fateh, your imagination is flourishing!

by Anonym7 (not verified) on

Mr. Fateh says: "...as they say goh to koonetoon alaska shode. "

Mr. Fateh now you are getting real imaginative. I am not surprised that with such a shallow article your comments have evolved to "alaska"!


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Fateh

by Ajam (not verified) on

I see that your medication is about to wear off again. It's you who gives himself too much credit by thinking that IRI gives cares whether washed-up psychopaths like you support it or not! You are have such a low self esteem that would have to compensate for your inferiority complex by hating Arabs and showing it off to others so they accept you as a pro-Israel American!

And please, don't pretend to care about Iran, here is what you said about being an Iranian:
'I have lived in the U.S. for 36 close to 37 years. Iran does not concern me other than the fact every time is a conflict between U.S. and Iran I become "choobe dosar be goh".'


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To: questions

by Ajam (not verified) on

No, I do not support IRI. I support a secular democratic republican system with a parliamentarian structure. I personally, if given a choice, vote for a Social Democrat candidate. But whoever people chose as president, will be my president. Be it Reza Pahlavi or Shirin Ebadi, as long he/she is ELECTED by the people and in four years is up for re-election!

I have never voted in the IRI, because I don't find their elections fair. I agree with some of their foreign policies and disagree with some and if there is a DEMOCRATIC alternative to it (as in a referendum), I would vote for its alternative. However, if Iran is under attack by bullies like the U.S. or Israel, I will support IRI.


Faramarz_Fateh

Mr. Ajam, you give yourself too much credit

by Faramarz_Fateh on

Mr. Ajam, you give yourself too much credit.  You won't recognize substance if it jumped and bit you on your behind.

Case or guilt or anything else you wish by association has been used in everyone of your posts.  I am sorry, but anyone with an IQ over 98 will see that once your posts and mine are examined.  I am sorry if your is below 98.  You can blame your genes.

I have been, am and will be on record for my contempt, dislike and hatred of Islam, anything Islamic and anything Arabic other than their food and music.  I refer you and other readers to my previous posts. If you think a couple of arguments by you is going to cause me to change my mind, you are mistaken.  Again.

Bache molla Arabophiles like you,  are not interested in death of Palestinian kids.  No sir.  Your interest is only staying power and continuation of looting and raping Iran.  Now if you can use the situation in Gaza to further your cause, you will go all out.  You and probably 3-4 more posters on this site.

Bottom line, Israel has sent a clear message to your likes through Hamas.  You have heard the message loud and clear and as they say goh to koonetoon alaska shode.

 


Kaveh Nouraee

Anonymousessss

by Kaveh Nouraee on

I don't know if I would go so far as to say this site is hopeless.

These loonies are hopeless (not to mention brainless, gutless, clueless and classless), but they're just a reflection of why after 2,500 or 3,000 years, we have absolutely nothing to show for it at all..

A while back, before this site adopted its current format, there was one person who constantly posted items that I (and others) found to be tasteless and objectionable, including depictions of sodomy and depictions of women as prostitutes. I complained to the editor, asking "why do you allow such garbage", or something to that effect. I received a response explaining that the reason why is that so everyone else can see that we have people with these objectionable beliefs and tastes in our own community.

You're right, they don't give a hoot about Palestinians. It's all lip-service and hot air. And we already know they don't give a hoot about Israeli civilians, either. 

But to top it off, look at how they completely ignore the plight of fellow Iranians at the hands of the IRI, especially those Iranians who are of the Jewish or Baha'i faith. If you'll notice, they never refer to them as "Iranians", or as people. It's always "this Jewish person" or "I had a Baha'i friend", or some other backhanded way of describing a non-Moslem.

Creating a new website is something that can always be done. But these people who claim to be fair and open-minded, when they are in fact closed-minded, bigoted and elitist cannot be afforded the luxury of thinking they have won.

These people are nothing but a cancer on humanity and decency.


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anonymousesssssssssssss

by Anonymous commentor (not verified) on

while i initially agreed with you, i quickly realized that that was exactly what their agenda is. getting rid of partial and fair bloggers will only open the door for more obvious bias and racism. certain bloggers could hide their agenda for only so long. what a disappointment to see their obvious hatred for the jewish people. i have reacted with quick denial when accused of being insensitive to the palestineans pain and suffering. no one on this site, particularly these certain individuals, had better dare accuse me of anything less. i hate war. i hate innocent loss of life. i hate racism and bigotry. i have no agenda against any people race or religion. i am simply standing firm against the tide of anti-semitism when it comes to blaming isreal 100%. hamas is equally responsible if not more so. cowards hiding behind children and women. THAT is what i detest with all my being.

and to by: "I'm an Iranian I'm a muslim I'm proud of my country and I would kill every american/israelian bitch for my country, it's a good thing you don't live in iran.. you don't fit in anymore.. you're a typical low class person who loves to dig in western asses 2 fit in"

wow. iranians throughout the world must be proud.


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Agenda?!

by Ajam (not verified) on

Mr. Fateh, you are insulting me with the lack of substance in your response! When I saw the title, I was looking forward to see what you have to offer with regard to "my agenda," but I'm disappointed to see nothing beyond the slogan in the title!

Couldn't find anything debate worthy, so now you have to make a desperate case by associations?! First, you associate Ahmadinejad to fascism, then by some mysterious logic associate me to Ahamadinejad, and finally me to fascism! With this kind of logic (or lack thereof) do you expect a rational person to take you seriously?

You on the other hand on the record have made fascistic remarks and statements. The proof is in the pudding. But now that your rage has subsided and you see the amount of contempt you have bestowed upon yourself, you back peddle to "I didn't mean Islam, I meant Islamic law!" Please, who are you trying to fool? Remember, you have to be smarter than your enemy to defeat him. So drop this bacheh-Akhoond trickery and at least work a little more on your mode of reasoning! There are many people here who know a thing or two more than a gardener!


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Kaveh

by Anonymousessss (not verified) on

This site is hopeless as far as I'm concerned. It has just been taken over by the extremists such as Jaleho, Niloufar Parsi, etc. Someone called it an echo chamber. I totally agree. It's just a meeting place for the extreme left / rabid Israel obsessed individuals to gather and plan their noise agenda. And, by the way, these people don't give a hoot about Palestinians. They just have an anti-western agenda and the Palestinian issue is their cause celbre. Trust me, if it wasn't Palestine, they would find something else. Their noise does nothing for Palestinians either. It just aggravates the situation.

I think it's now time for someone to come up with another site for Iranians to share ideas with a clear, objective system of moderation--without an agenda of itself--to make certain that nut jobs, extremists and morons don't get the freedom to spew hate and intimidate others. You seem like a reasonable individual. Why don't you take on the task my friend?


Faramarz_Fateh

Ajam's agenda exposed, layer by layer

by Faramarz_Fateh on

Mr. "Ajam",

Your pro IRI and Islamic agenda is getting exposed layer by layer.

My statement of wanting an Iran rid of Islam is fascist but statement of your leader Antarinejad who has called for elimination of Israel in no less than 7 domestic and internationa venues with hundreds of thousands of Muslim listeners who cheered on his statement is not?!!

I did not call for irradication of Iran or Iranian people.  I called for irradication of Islam from Iran; more specifically Islamic law.

You are nothing but a bache molla.

 


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Niloufar

by Sara P. (not verified) on

Ignore the ignorant, whether she signs in with her own name or with this one. Doesn't all the hate make her really transparent to you? Can't you see her? Ignore her again like you did before. She is a waste of time.


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one of my past grievances! (to FF and Q)

by Anonym7 (not verified) on

Mr. Fateh says: "Palestinian thugs, riding in Jeeps and carrying automatic rifles were a big factor in the early days and months of the Islamic revolution. The Iranian regime owes them and owes them big."

Faramarz_jAn, when your imaginary "Palestinian thugs" were busy making "revolution" in "Iran" with their "Jeeps", I came to Tehran and a "Muslim" guy (perhaps Q) hit me with his "tir_kamoon" because I was an Isfahani. Q was that you?


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To Ajam:

by question (not verified) on

Ajam: Are you a supporter of IR?? Do you endorse their foreign policies?


Kaveh Nouraee

Anonymousessss

by Kaveh Nouraee on

As much as I see what you are saying, I'm not about to give up. People who think they can BS me believing that I will just sit there and accept their nonsense and smile are only BS-ing themselves.

The contingent of people who have demonstrated their boundless arrogance, ignorance, and feelings of moral superiority on this website are certainly entitled to express their points of view.

And in equal and opposite measure, I am entitled to tell each and every one of them that they are quite simply full of it.

People in here saying they ate with a Jew? Wow, let me sit down, because that simply took my breath away.

Someone had Baha'i friends growing up? Big deal. So did I. Wait, I STILL do. (OMG...did I say that out loud?)

Someone broke bread with a Jew who could pronounce Inshallah and Mashallah, and called elders of other faiths "aunt" and "uncle"? Well, someone call the TV show Ripley's Believe It Or Not.

Better yet, let's all take a collection, pitch in a couple of bucks each and buy a commemorative plaque to mark this impressive humanitarian milestone in Iranian history.

Just make sure the plaque maker isn't on the boycott list.