The Real Race for Iran

Human rights vs. Tehran's defenders

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The Real Race for Iran
by Josh Shahryar
28-Jun-2010
 

Since Iran was thrust into internal turmoil by last year's election, the world has been moved by events that unfolded during the protests of the Green Movement. As we watched the violence of the agents of the Iranian government against peaceful demonstrators, most of us thought that it would be impossible to defend the regime's position amidst the bloodshed we witnessed on our TV screens.

Not so. The Iranian Government, despite all the detentions, abuses, and unlawful killings since June 2009, still has support overseas in the guise of purportedly unbiased political analysts, none more vocal than that of the authors of Race for Iran, one a former CIA and National Security Council official, the other a former diplomat in the State Department.

Their solution to the human rights abuse issue? Pretend it is not relevant. Arrests, torture, rape, and the murder of protesters are set aside.

The testament to how far they can go in defending an indefensible position? Consider the lengthy response of RFI's authors to "Misreading Tehran", a series of seven articles published on the Foreign Policy website.

In this article, the duo close their eyes to all other internal matter to declare that the 2009 Presidential election is legitimate, simply because the opposition has allegedly not provided any evidence to back up claims of fraud. Thus, the vote for Mahmoud Ahmadinejad must be free and fair.

If we were to accept this argument, then every election under Suharto in Indonesia was free and fair. Every election held in Islam Karimov's Uzbekistan is free, as is every vote held in Cuba under Fidel Castro. Robert Mugabe is the rightful ruler of Zimbabwe. If stolen or "created" ballots cannot be exhibited, the result is not only legal but legitimate.

Under this "legitimate" Iranian Government, freedom of speech is severely curtailed. Newspapers are regularly banned, journalists regularly imprisoned. Candidates for elections are screened by the establishment, and only those passing the Guardian Council's ideological tests are allowed to run. There are hundreds -- perhaps thousands -- of political prisoners suffering in Iran's jails. Under such harsh conditions, it is a distortion -- a dishonorable distortion -- to say that elections in Iran can be free, fair and honest.

If that were not enough, high-ranking clerics -- from within Iran's own establishment -- came forward and decried the elections as fraudulent. Grand Ayatollah Bayat-Zanjani was quoted, "Every healthy mind casts doubt on the way the election was held." Ayatollah Jalaleddin Taheri called the re-election of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad "illegitimate" and "tyrannical." Perhaps the most revered cleric after Khamenei, Grand Ayatollah Lotfullah Safi Golpayegani called the results "a grand lie." Their voices were silenced by the media blackout, with Western journalists unaware of their clout within Iran's government and society.

But to RFI's authors, it is beyond consideration that Iran's leadership is a brutal regime hell-bent on keeping itself in power. They dismiss that people from within Iran's establishment question the legitimacy of the election. To them, an inquiry can only be considered if the Green Movement takes up arms, fights the Iranian Revolutionary Guards, confiscates all the ballot boxes from the election through force of arms and then counts them somewhere in Europe in front of international media. Only then, will 'healthy" minds accept fraud.

Yet there is a somewhat tortured twist in RFI's line, illustrated in the article in Foreign Policy. Having declared -- following the sudden execution of five Iranians on 9 May -- that the consideration of human rights was beyond their agenda, the authors resurrect two months-old "studies" of the 2009 election to establish that the political and civil rights of Iranians were respected and defended.

Doing so, they hold up a cracked mirror with RFI's reflection of post-election Iran: one of the purported reports on the election is by little-known "analysts" who have also suggested that Neda Agha Soltan, killed during the protests of 20 June 2009, was slain by agents of "the West":

It is inconceivable that an Islamic regime which understands the power of martyrdom in its own culture would sanction the cold-blooded murder of an innocent and ordinary young woman on the streets of Tehran. However it is every bit conceivable that those who thought the opposition movement needed a symbol and icon of resistance -- recipients and supporters no doubt of a $400m CIA-backed destabilization program for Iran -- would have arranged this horrible murder and try and pin it on the Iranian authorities.)

If RFI's authors claim that rights have no place in their forum, why resurrect a long-surpassed and rather creaky case for a proper vote on 12 June 2009?

In part, it is a necessary tactic to support the authors' main objective, which is to promote US-Iran discussions on important regional and global issues. Putting forth that case requires the notion that President Ahmadinejad can be engaged because he has a legitimate position.

More importantly, though, the tactic is a deflection. The Green Movement and civil rights organizations inside Iran long ago moved beyond contesting the elections to the campaign for a political, social, economic, and religious system that upholds rather than abuses its citizens' rights. Mir Hossein Mousavi has released several statements in recent months emphasizing that the Green Movement needs to firm up its ties with the Iranian populace to spread the message of change and to ensure that the Islamic Republic fulfills the rights set out in its Constitution.

Iran's Government is unable to address these issues, but they are also unable to prevent their consideration. It has persisted in arresting people who protest brutality and human rights abuses, but the challenge continues. It has tried to penetrate the ranks of the Green Movement, but it cannot prevent activists from interacting with disgruntled Iranians who have been affected. It has pursued the alternative of proclaiming Iran's exalted international position, but that distraction cannot be sustained when headlines are re-claimed by the heckling of Ayatollah Khomeini's grandson and the attacks on Iran's most esteemed clerics.

So the solution is sought by Tehran's defenders: while announcing that rights do not matter, revive the notion of the "legitimate" rule -- with the implication that legitimacy confers the authority to pursue any and all acts in the name of the Iranian state -- established by the 2009 election.

The problem for this defense is that rights will not go away. Those who bravely persist in the face of repression are emphasizing human rights and democracy more than ever. Ten days ago, Iranians who marched in Tehran were not heard chanting, "Where is My Vote?"; amidst the calls of God is Great, they were demanding that their rights -- as Iranians and as human beings -- be affirmed by their Government and by their Supreme Leader.

An objective analysis worthy of the label would question why the Iranian government fills the countries streets with security forces if it is stable and loved by its people. It would investigate why foreign media is effectively banned and why dozens of Iran's journalists are in jail, barred from working, or under threat of punishment if they dare to write. It would at least raise a quizzical eyebrow at the scores who are on death row and the hundreds more behind bars or on heavy bail simply because they voiced their opposition to the regime.

But that analysis would be tantamount to a questioning of legitimacy. And there the authors of RFI meet their self-imposed limit. They have shackled themselves even more effectively than the Government which they defend has shackled its people.

If there is a Race for Iran, those who defend the regime -- in the name of the irrelevancy of human rights -- can only stand still, stamping their feet loudly that there is no alternative. And in that race, it is the alternative which -- while hobbled by intimidation, restricted by suppression, hindered by punishment -- continues to move forward towards its goals.

First published in HuffingtonPost.com.

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Josh Shahryar is a Journalist and Human Rights Activist. Follow him on Twitter: www.twitter.com/JShahryar

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No Fear

Tolerance is the key to most of our problems

by No Fear on Tue Jun 29, 2010 08:14 PM PDT

Or atleast it could take a huge chunk of it away.

I hear you loud and clear, Rosie . Extremism in any form should be condemned. Whether its about religion or its about nationality. This is the very basic of democracy. Everyone should have a voice and be heard. Like JJ ,which you provided a link for(Gone too far), i value freedom of speech over the truth. Different interpretations can create different truths hence the relative  nature of " Truth" in its entirety.

I oppose intolerances even when its a strong minority. In a ture democracy ( the rule of majority ), ofcourse , the minority will be the loudest. Regardless, their voices must be heard.

 


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Yousef Bozorgmehr

Fooladi

by Yousef Bozorgmehr on Tue Jun 29, 2010 08:14 PM PDT

 

I am ready to fight the 2003 battle with you where I left off. We'll see if you are a man of steel.

A baseeji from the past with his tisheh:

//www.cais-soas.com/CAIS/Images2/Military/per...

Fighting mufsedeen is a duty and a pleasure. 


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fooladi

Rosie,Thank you and regarding Yousef.

by fooladi on Tue Jun 29, 2010 08:08 PM PDT

I cross chedcked this individuals' account on couple of events and he was lying. I am not sure or really care who he is, less who his parents are or his state of mind.  Half mad is a kind assesment. He comes across as a walter mitty kind of character, there is another guy like him here with a uniformed man Avator.

"Crime is a product of social excess"


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Yousef Bozorgmehr

Let's get a few things right

by Yousef Bozorgmehr on Tue Jun 29, 2010 07:49 PM PDT

 

1) Iran does have a vibrant and independent press. It does face censorship, but only because it is INDEPENDENT. If the media was all government-owned and controlled, there would be no need for any censorship - it would all be propaganda. In the West, however,  the corporations that own the newspapers also own the government!

2) The Rahbar Mo'azzam/Vali e Faqih is similar in position to the Pope and the Queen of Britain. Both are unelected monarchs. Yes, England is not a democracy. At least in Iran, the assembly of experts can remove him - Rafsanjani tried to do just that last summer.

3) Iran holds regular contested elections whose outcome is not pre-determined. Candidates range from hardline basijis to liberal muslims. You can't tell me that Kavekbian and Shariatmadari are the same thing.

4) Iranians do enjoy all civil rights as guaranteed by the consitution and enforced by the judiciary.

 


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Rosie.

No Fear, Sargord,

by Rosie. on Tue Jun 29, 2010 07:10 PM PDT

And especially you, No Fear. Would you mind commenting for me in English about the latest developments regarding your hamsafar, he of the sound and irrefutable arguments? I can't read your Persian. Perhaps you already have. And if not, why not? Please explain to me.


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maziar 58

yousef chakhan

by maziar 58 on Tue Jun 29, 2010 07:09 PM PDT

chakhan ke kontor nadareh ! hala shoma ham hey lafe ali golabi bezan           NO problem.         

BOROO PEDER AMORZIDEH

in the west public disturbances are dealt with simple fine or jail time; NO NEED OF FORIGN BONE HEADS.       Maziar


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Rosie.

Yousef, re your early post on IRI's top ten achievements,

by Rosie. on Tue Jun 29, 2010 07:01 PM PDT

just to throw this in late in the day. You wrote:

6) Cinema: Iranian cinema is now world-renown and considered the most artistic of its kind. Well done the actors and artists.

//icarusfilms.com/new2007/ira.html

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The three great fathers of the Iranian cinematic flourescence in the 90's:

Bezaie: the son of Bahais, the scum of the earth. Where do you rank them with your untermensch homosexuals, atheists, and traitors?

Kiarostami: very European art film influences and appeal, Close Up is the clearest example. He stayed in Iran to keep in touch with his roots, not for love of your Regime.

Makhmalbaf: He's out. Gone. Forget his ties with the execrable Mousavi for a moment. The point is he left. And he was one of your own. Something like a Basij as a teen. You know. But for some strange reason he changed his mind.

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Who was allowed to see their films in Iran? Where were they shown? You know. You may be proud of them, Yousef, but...they wouldn't be proud of you.

Think about it.

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Thanks for clarifying your background to me. It's intense.


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AMIR1973

Correction: Baseej is a parasitic force

by AMIR1973 on Tue Jun 29, 2010 06:13 PM PDT

Illustration of who and what the Baseej are:     //filmstudies.berkeley.edu/parasite/parasite.jpg 

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AMIR1973

IRI's so-called "laws" are smoke-and-mirrors

by AMIR1973 on Tue Jun 29, 2010 06:10 PM PDT

These laws are written and approved by MPs in our majlis and reviewed by the Guardian council.

The Guardian's "religious men" are appointed by the Islamist Fuehrer. The Council can then decide who can and cannot run for the pseudo-"parliament". In other words, more Islamist smoke-and-mirrors

We believe the legitimacy of the VF doctorine reside in the hand of people and the people will decide to change these laws or not. 

Who is we? We the people? The people have decided that they should not decide who the Leader of the country is? Okay, I believe that. Sure I do.

The Iranian people are deprived of the most basic human rights that people in democracies enjoy (freedom of speech, assembly, press, and religion). Why do you live in the West, anyway, when IRI is such a democratic, just, prosperous, and progressive society? I look forward to hearing your response.

 


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Rosie.

Fooladi, (Hoder) p.s.

by Rosie. on Tue Jun 29, 2010 07:59 PM PDT

 Earlier you wrote:

Didnt we recently have a report on this forum about a forum member who mildely criticised the regime was arrested on his return to Iran.

You meant Hoder (Hossein Derakhshan). Hoder was arrested upon visiting Iran 19 months ago. Here are his two recent Iranian of the Days. You should read the threads:

//iranian.com/main/2010/mar/hossein-derakhshan

Please read link to Wiki article.

//iranian.com/main/2010/jun/hossein-derakhshan

Here is his account here with his own bio.

//iranian.com/main/member/hoder

After his brief detention in Iran during a visit in 2006, this well known Reformist suddenly became pro-Ahmadinejad as well as unbalanced, agressive, and accusatory to people. Here is an interesting glimpse into him, in one of the first blogs here, by the publisher, between when he came back from Iran in '06 and went back 19 months ago and was imprisoned:

//iranian.com/main/blog/jahanshah-javid/going-too-far

Despite Hoder's bizarre 'conversion', his history, including his visit to Israel as self-appointed good will ambassador, made him a sitting duck and no one really understands why he went back. The link I gave on the June Iranian of the Day thread should be read. 

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You complained on an earlier post that I was trying to politely converse with Yousef. Read even my first post. It's not all that simple. I originally intended to leave it at that, that first post. But I want to understand Yousef because I don't understand any of this. Why is Hoder where he is? Why is Iran where it is?

You also mentioned that 'someone' had said early on that Yousef's problems stem from his childhood. That 'someone' was me. If he's telling the truth (I believe he is), Yousef is the son of a Shahi turned rebel turned exile, born during the Revolution. He praises the Mazdaist roots of Shiism while standing with a machete waiting to chop off hands. He seems to embody the horror of the recent history of Iran.  Of course he's half mad. What else could he be? Only the other half can help me understand that half.

And anyway he has some valid points. He does. Except he's half mad. (Sorry Yousef, but yes you are).

____________

ps This just in under News section from DK:

//iranian.com/main/news/2010/06/29/media-watchdog-criticizes-trial-iranian-blogfather-hossein-derakhshan

 


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Yousef Bozorgmehr

Baseej is a volunteer force

by Yousef Bozorgmehr on Tue Jun 29, 2010 05:52 PM PDT

 

I have no contact with the embassy staff - they are stupid, ignorant and lazy bureaucrats. They don't do anything all day.

No, I am much more committed - I go back to Iran for ordoo every now and then for arms training and Qur'anic lessons. Last time, someone gave me a Saka axe as a present.

All 11 million baseejis are volunteers. Within Iran, basijis can receive fuel and transport vouchers, and maybe some other stipends (like for higher education), but not those who live outside of Iran.

If Iran is attacked, group leaders will act as instructed by Baseej HQ who in turn report to daftar rahbari and the national security council. However, we will act in our own capacity and are responsible for our own actions - the government of Iran cannot be held accountable.

Of course, many of us will just be decoys to distract the authorities.


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Onlyiran

Yousef, that's great. Thanks for the honesty

by Onlyiran on Tue Jun 29, 2010 05:11 PM PDT

now for us to better understand you, can you tell us a little more about your mission?  Is this an "official" mission that you took on from the Ministry of Intelligence, or is it on a volunteer basis?  Is there any renumeration involved?  How do you coordinate things with the IRI?  Is it through its embassy?  What's the trigger "event" for the jihad to kick in?  

I'll be looking forward to your answers.   


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No Fear

ولایت فقیه

No Fear
Tue Jun 29, 2010 04:27 PM PDT

 «آیت‌اله مصباح یزدی» درتازه‌ترین اظهارنظرش درخصوص ولایت‌فقیه گفته است:
[این وظیفه‌ای بر دوش علماست تا نسبت به «سیری ظالم و گرسنگی مظلوم» بی‌تفاوت نباشند... اگر شرایطی پیش آید که «مردم» حاضر باشند «حاکمیتِ فقیه» را بپذیرند و اگر او این حاکمیت را بر عهده نگیرد؛ حاکمیت به «غیرفقیه» می‌رسد... آنچه برای فقیه واجب است، آن است که برای تصدی پست حاکمیت اعلام آمادگی کند. اما اگر مردم او را قبول نکردند؛ او نمی‌تواند حاکمیت را بر عهده بگیرد.  چراکه از یک نفر، اجرای تمام قوانین ساخته نیست... «مقابله با ظالم» یک واجب متعین عمومی‌ست... کسی می‌تواند به‌جای معصوم حکومت کند که شبیه‌تر به معصوم باشد.... نمی‌توان گفت یک نفر همزمان هم «افقه» باشد، هم «اعلم» باشد و هم در تشخیص مسائل جامعه «برتر» باشد... می‌توان گفت امام راحل، صرفا به دلیل افقه بودن رهبر شد... امام راحل، در اوایل نهضت خود مرجعیت کلی نداشت. در آن زمان در کنار امام خمینی، مراجع دیگری هم بودند و علما از آن مراجع تقلید می‌کردند... اگر شخصی در جامعه حضور دارد که هیچ خطایی از او سر نمی‌زند و در واقع معصوم است، نباید از حکومت کنار گذاشته شود].


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No Fear

Amir,

by No Fear on Tue Jun 29, 2010 04:24 PM PDT

These laws are written and approved by MPs in our majlis and reviewed by the Guardian council. These laws can be changed in the same manner as they were created. This has happened once before, and i am certain it will happen again.

There is a big difference when you argue the legitimacy of an institution is coming from God, or the house of people. We believe the legitimacy of the VF doctorine reside in the hand of people and the people will decide to change these laws or not.

Pay attention to my next posting.


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fooladi

youseph englisee

by fooladi on Tue Jun 29, 2010 04:43 PM PDT

Yea, I have seen your bassiji brothers and sisters all our europe, mostly shopping in expensive shopping areas of london or are stuffing their fat guts with chello kabab next to a certain masjid near Edgeware Road. Somewhere I read that these masjids were so infiltrated by MI5/MI6 that they are now referred to as "Iranian swiss cheese"!!

On your claimed 2003 "battle", well I was  at london imperial at the time. I do remeber my friends traveling up and down the country in bosses, breaking up Velayate vaghih sponsored meetings. In fact I once went on one of these tours and thouroughly enjoyed it :) But from all accounts, including my own observation, there were no "battles", only mozdoors of regime calling for police and local pakistanis trying to mediate and save their asses. 

But hey , if you and I were there at the same time, it is a shame we never met, I'd have saved this entire forum from having to put up with your BS for the past 24 hrs!!!

But as I said you are only BSing. Just think how you became a good boy earler on when I mentioned "US federal laws"? I tell you these brit MI5 are nasty, and have you heared waht they seve muslim terrorist in UK jail? you'd be begging to be sent to gizmo :) 


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Yousef Bozorgmehr

Rosie

by Yousef Bozorgmehr on Tue Jun 29, 2010 03:47 PM PDT

 

I told you before - I am the son of a government official in the Shah's regime who later rebelled against the tyrant and was exiled.

I was born at the time of the revolution and war and became a bachhe enqelabi. Now, I am sarbaseeje vizhe.


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Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

We do know who

by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on Tue Jun 29, 2010 03:38 PM PDT

 

you are at least in the USA. We monitor the mosques and can tell the hijabis from a mile. Do you think your phone and email goes untapped. You folks stand out like sore thumbs in the USA.

Plus if there is any need we are there to help the USA. Remember to an Iranian an Islamist is obvious. We gladly help the Americans track your kind down. That's what Gitmo is for. To keep you in line.


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Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

Yousef

by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on Tue Jun 29, 2010 03:34 PM PDT

 

made my day! I am glad he is in England. They deserve him. Please invite the rest of the nuts there with you! We in the USA will gladly ship them over. Plus better in UK than in Iran. 

The English fanned the flames of Islamism. They destabelized Shah. Why: for BP. So they could suck Iran's blood which Shah was going to prevent. Now BP is being wrecked thanks to its stupidity in Gulf of Mexico. Meanwhile the UK mainland is under an Islamic invasion by Yousef and his ilk. Good! 

To be clear I don't want to see the environment destroyed but it could not happen to a more deserving company or nation.

The UK karma is coming back to get them; right! They created the Frankenstein and now it is coming home. Yousef: be a good boy and stay right there in the UK! You are their punishment from God!


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Rosie.

Wait, Yousef, about my previous post about you...

by Rosie. on Tue Jun 29, 2010 03:31 PM PDT

titled 'While shopping in Yousef's chopping maul'...

now I am very confused. There are some posts missing from the thread early on. In one post someone says you came from a family associated with the Shah. I thought you said that but now can't find that one. The other one with the part I 'remembered' I found finally, it actually wasn't yours.

So due to missing pieces of the discussion, would you mind saying again what your family background is. My apologies if I made big mistakes in my little 'take 'on you just belo. However someone educated you to read Nietzche, I doubt you are a baker's or molla's son. And whatever the case was, honestly, Yousef, something went really wrong back there in your youth.

Not to say that mine was a bed of roses but at least I didn't wind up wanting to cut out people's tongues. I feel this is healthy.

 


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Yousef Bozorgmehr

Why I am in Engelees

by Yousef Bozorgmehr on Tue Jun 29, 2010 03:02 PM PDT

 

Three words: Tablighat, jehad, amniat.

The Baseej are a global mobilization force. We are found everywhere - including the United States. You don't know who we are but we know who you are - but we are found in the bakery or library you use, even at the pop concerts you go to. We are the vanguard and fifth column of the Revolution throughout the world.

If the Islamic homeland is attacked, we will be the ones who will have to retaliate behind enemy lines and strike the kaferoon and sahiboon where they least expect it.

While our brothers and sisters were fighting the green rebels street by street ba zanjiro tisheh in Tehran, I was fighting the greens in Europe who had attacked mosques, schools and Iranian muslim students. During the khodsoozi protests of 2003, we battled the Monafeqeen e Khalq who invaded Islamic centres and urinated on the floor.

Baseeji: amade bash!


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Rosie.

An aside to No Fear

by Rosie. on Tue Jun 29, 2010 02:40 PM PDT

No Fear, I did not pursue the issue of my setting up a blog for you and Ben, discussing the progressive aspects of Ahmadinejad together with the community, because Ben didn't respond and I saw on his tracking that he read the thread after I suggested it. I don't think it would be particularly useful here for you to do it yourself, so I am just going to reread your first blog (I Voted for Ahmadinejad. Ask Me Anything) on my own.

I also reread Anonymous Observer's thread, the part where you railed at me for misquoting you (losing my credibility as fast as a blond losing her virginity...), and I realized it was because of a language problem. You said the war martyrs were not stupid to do it for the '72 whores', etc. What you meant was they were not stupid enough to do it for, were not so stupid that they did it for...

So somewhere on earth there is a blond who is still a virgin.

Just wanted to clarify.


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AMIR1973

No Fear on IRI's "Islamic democracy" (sic)

by AMIR1973 on Tue Jun 29, 2010 02:36 PM PDT

some like me who accepts Khameneie as the " religious" leader of Iran and respects his responsibilities as defined in our constitution

Ah yes, the 21-year (and running) non-dictatorial Leader of the "Islamic democracy" known as IRI "religiously" has the following powers (below). Sorry, but no decent human being can accept the IRI. Much like de-Nazification in Germany, Iran and the world needs de-Islamist-ization:

Article 110  [Leadership Duties and Powers]
(1) Following are the duties and powers of the Leadership:
1. Delineation of the general policies of the Islamic Republic of Iran after consultation with the Nation's Exigency Council.
2. Supervision over the proper execution of the general policies of the system.
3. Issuing decrees for national referenda.
4. Assuming supreme command of the Armed Forces.
5. Declaration of war and peace and the mobilization of the Armed Forces.
6. Appointment, dismissal, and resignation of:
a. the religious men on the Guardian Council,
b. the supreme judicial authority of the country,
c. the head of the radio and television network of the Islamic Republic of Iran,
d. the chief of the joint staff,
e. the chief commander of the Isalmic Revolution Guards Corps, and
f. the supreme commanders of the Armed Forces.
7. Resolving differences between the three wings of the Armed Forces and regulation of their relations.
8. Resolving the problems which cannot be solved by conventional methods, through the Nation's Exigency Council.
9. Signing the decree formalizing the election of the President of the Republic by the people.  The suitability of candidates for the Presidency of the Republic, with respect to the qualifications specified in the Constitution, must be confirmed before elections take place by the Guardian Council, and, in the case of the first term of a President, by the Leadership.
10. Dismissal of the President of the Republic, with due regard for the interests of the country, after the Supreme Court holds him guilty of the violation of his constitutional duties, or after a vote of the Islamic Consultative Assembly testifying to his incompetence on the basis of Article 89.
11. Pardoning or reducing the sentences of convicts, within the framework of Islamic criteria, on a recommendation from the Head of judicial power.
(2) The Leader may delegate part of his duties and powers to another person.


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Cost-of-Progress

koochekmehr is laughing

by Cost-of-Progress on Tue Jun 29, 2010 02:28 PM PDT

he is a 10 year old kid sitting in his flat in UK and laughing at us......we've been had...we must have...this dude is nuts. Even more so than his beloved rapist republic.

 

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IRAN FIRST

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Cost-of-Progress

This guy koochekmehr

by Cost-of-Progress on Tue Jun 29, 2010 02:23 PM PDT

is freaking crazy....he must be...or...he wants to get a rise out of people....

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IRAN FIRST

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Onlyiran

Yousef Jan please tell us why you live in the UK

by Onlyiran on Tue Jun 29, 2010 02:20 PM PDT

when the Islamic Republic is obviously the more righteous, Islamic country to live in--where they do chop fingers and hands and execute "moharebs--albeit not "enough".   

Tell us please.  We're all ears.  


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Rosie.

While shopping in Yousef's chopping maul, (No Fear, SP)

by Rosie. on Tue Jun 29, 2010 02:45 PM PDT

I got to thinking.

Yousef, for someone as sophisticated and highly educated as you, this pre-Hamurrabian blood lust of yours is not normal behavior. So I am going to tell you briefly what I think.

I looked for your posts about your family and couldn't find both. But from the one I found and what I recall of the other, I believe you perceived them as both perpetrators and victims of the horrific aspects of the Shah's regime. I think that by adopting Islamism itself you rejected them and by taking on its horrific aspects to the worst extreme you embraced them. Thus you have attempted to resolve this conflict in a precarious balance, which  btw doesn't work very well for you because I don't think you're a very happy person. Anyhow, I think that is part of what happened. Needless to say I don't expect you to agree with me.

Despite how obnoxious they can be (because almost everyone here, myself included, is very obnoxious), I am quite sure both No Fear and Sargord came here to engage. While you came here to polarize and demonize, but underneath that I think it is part of this macabre balancing act through life of yours.

So having said that, I am going to put aside this butcher block aspect of your personality and continue our conversation based on your more positive attributes, not least of which being how nice you have been to me.

Well, I am going to read up the whole thread now. Thank you for replying to my questions and I will address your answers later.

May God (the Power that is the Universe) protect Ayatollah Boroujerdi.

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p.s. No Fear, I am wondering whether you will ever discuss this machete issue with your comrade of the 'irrefutable arguments'.

Sargord, I'm pretty sure Josh will be back. If you noticed the article was actually posted by admin and he apparently registered just to be able to participate on this lively thread.


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Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

Yousef

by Veiled Prophet of Khorasan on Tue Jun 29, 2010 02:16 PM PDT

 

Frist of all please do not use the name Bozorgmehr in conjunction with you. He was a great Persian and you are a nut. Or you are just trying to make Islamists look bad. If latter don't bother. Islamist already look bad. No need for your efforts we and the civilized world are on to them.

Second I agree with COP. You need help. You want to cut people's hands off? Why dont you start with your own lying tounge? How dare you call yourself Borzorghmehr? 

What Iran needs is a sane secular government. I really don't care what you want. I do know what you need is help. 

VPK


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Cost-of-Progress

Holy Crapollah.. Koochekmehr

by Cost-of-Progress on Tue Jun 29, 2010 02:10 PM PDT

"I want a more Islamic system, not something more secular - one where we really do chop the hands off thieves and rebels....let us start with Mousavi and Karroubi - cut out their lying tongues."

You are totally deranged.....Move the hell to Saudi and leave Iran alone. You'll get your chop shop over there.

Are you for real?

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IRAN FIRST

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No Fear

Amir,

by No Fear on Tue Jun 29, 2010 01:59 PM PDT

To define IR as a purely dictatorial regime like north korea only points to your limited understanding of IR power structures. For someone who is interested in the easy answers, it might serves you if you call Khameneie a dictator.

I've seen your type ( Revolutionaries ) and i have been there, and done that. I know your methods. I know how emotional you are. I know how illogical you can be and i am sure you do all this because you love Iran.

No matter how people like me provide you with reasons, it won't make any difference in your minds. Typical of a hotheaded jujeh revolutionary.

However ...

There are many different interpretation about the role of VF. Some like Yousef is towards the extreme right. Some are flat against it like you who doesn't have any pull or push effect and are basically nokhodi, and some like me who accepts Khameneie as the " religious" leader of Iran and respects his responsibilities as defined in our constitution. I am still a rightwing activist but not as extreme as yousef ( Osoul gara ). While Yousef justifies the role of VF as God given , to me VF role is justified through our constitution.

VF is open to interpretation and this doctorine is only based on one verse in Quran which can be intrepretated in so many ways. Support the interpretation that suits you or completely deny it and be sidelined for another 30 years.

 

 


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maziar 58

It will not happen

by maziar 58 on Tue Jun 29, 2010 01:12 PM PDT

NO FEAR    If that Tom & Jerry fight caused the IRR to last 31 bloody years; Immagine how many CENTURIES will prolong their existence with an Israeli or American attack ?       Maziar


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