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Iran's elections attract popular support

Amir can't get over the fact that 85% of Iranian voted in the presidential election of 2009. If they didn't like the choice on offer, they would have boycotted it.

There was much more of a difference between the platforms of Ahmadinejad and Mousavi than that between Obama (Coca-Cola) and McCain (Pepsi-Cola).

Actually, yes polls in dictatorships are rather funny

The IRI's elections are a sham. All the eligible candidates are fanatical devotees of Khomeini and Khomeinism, an ideology which is as compatible with democracy as National Socialism, Baathism or Marxism-Leninism. The "participation" that matters most is that of 86 Shia male "experts" who chose the Leader 21 years ago. That's your IRI democracy for you. Nice try, though.

Rosie: Not an apple with apple comparison.

No IRI leader has been hung up, no process in place to do that, and most importantly, no precedence.  Whereas we see daily news from Iran that people for simplest expressions have been arrested, "tried for treason" and summarily hanged. Didnt we recently have a report on this forum about a forum member who mildely criticised the regime was arrested on his return to Iran.

I appreciate your balancing act, but again, I said what I had to say...

Dear Mark Pirooz (aka "Sargord Pirouz")

The humor was entirely "Yousef's" doing, but I thank you for your feedback nevertheless. May I suggest that you concentrate on your area of expertise, namely the cutting edge IRI "military technology", as best exemplified by the Saeqeh advanced fighter plane  :-)

//www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=119463&sectionid=351020101

//english.farsnews.com/newstext.php?nn=8812051616

Amir avoids the 62% answer

Funny isn't it how 62% of Iranians expressed "strong confidence" in the election results, and 64% "strong support" in the president - the same number as the official figures show.

Fancy that!

Btw, Mr Karroubi got 0-1% in the surveys. He got 0.85% in according to the election results.

Let's look at the Globescan survey, shall we?

Question: Which of the following candidates did you vote for?

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad 56%
Mir Hussein Mousavi 32%
Mohsen Rezayi 2%
Mehdi Karoubi 0%
Other 1%
DK 2%
No Response/refused 7%

Almost exactly the same as what was reported by the Interior Ministry.

That was humor? Don't quit

That was humor? Don't quit your day job...

And now time for some humor to lighten the mood a little

Expressing one's opinion is guaranteed by the Iranian constitution.

As it was guaranteed in the USSR constitution. Khodeti.

"Polls" & "elections" in Iraq showed support for Saddam

Oh yeah, N. Korea, Cuba and Syria (all close IRI friends) also have elections too. The Dear Leader in N. Korea is almost as popular as the Supreme Leader in IRI. With Seyyed Mohammad Marandi's involvement, who could doubt the results of telephone polls conducted in a free, democratic society like the IRI? Oh yeah, I believe polls and elections conducted in murderous dictatorships--they are even more reliable than those conducted in democracies. Sure.

Fooladi,

 with all due respect (and trust me, it is considerable now), you wrote:

" time to put people like Amir on trial for his treason "!!!!

My, My, My............

So, we are now being threathened with "trial for treason" - Islamic regime style - for daring to express our opinion on a US based Iranian forum!!!!!!

I thought there were Federal laws against death threats.

Moderator, Where are thou???  

You recently said (I paraphrase) all IRI people should be (and will be) strung up. It was during a conversation involving No Fear and you meant him with all the rest. (And I already mentioned this in a post to humanbeing on my last blog, which you were on, so you may well have read my post). I can dig up your post, but I don't think it's necessary.

Moderator is traveling in Europe. But as fair and equitable as he always tries to be.

Fooladi doesn't get it

Expressing one's opinion is guaranteed by the Iranian constitution.

But association with subversive and terrorist groups (monarchist, MKO, separatist etc..) is "treason", as is spreading lies for the purpose of spreading unrest and doing the bidding of American zionists like Mike Ledeen - the architect of the "green movement".

How you as an Iranian can be on the same side of the neocons ,who have invaded and laid waste to neighboring Iraq and Afghanistan, I really don't know.

Btw, Ayatollah Khamenei pardoned 708 prisoners yesterday - proof of the clemency and mercy of the Islamic system.

Tell everyone how the so called surveys

are taken, then post this nonsense.

Most of us are NOT in LA, but the opposition to your turbaned masters is rampant everywhere. Only in iran they get murdred. Here, we can voice our opinion although you have declared war on those who disgarre with you and promised more than once - on this thrread to "punish" those of us who return.

Wonder what DHS has to say about this; too bad you're hiding in your masters domain for now.... 

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That's right Yousef

I'm a guy sitting in Iran.  My phone rings.  An unidentified person at the other end of the line says that he wants my opinion about the IRI --oh, and BTW, he works for a "foreign" polling service (get it? "foreign", which by your definition, automatically means IRI's "enemy").  I don't know about you, but...sure, I'll give him an honest answer, and tell him how much I hate the IRI!!!!

LOL :-)))) 

Yousef,

in case you may wonder why I put the onus on you (and those in your 'camp', and the related one--those who have been called 'apologists' here who may be reading this) to address my recent points but not the other people I criticized, here is the reason.

It's because as soon as you came to these threads, you knew you were in enemy territory. If you came to make peace, the onus in on you to make the first concession. If you came to make war, well war is what you will get.

" time to put people like Amir on trial for his treason "!!!!

My, My, My............

So, we are now being threathened with "trial for treason" - Islamic regime style - for daring to express our opinion on a US based Iranian forum!!!!!!

I thought there were Federal laws against death threats.

Moderator, Where are thou???  

Americans ask Iranians what they think of the IR

People here keep making unsupported comments, all of them self-appointed "representatives" of the Iranian people.

Well, let's ask the Iranian people themselves what they themselves think and not what some LA-based exiles, many of whom are wanted for theft back in Iran, want to put in their mouths:

//www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/pdf/feb10/I...

1) Please tell whether you have a lot of confidence, some confidence, not much confidence, or no confidence at all in the President (Ahmadinejad)?

A lot of confidence................................................ 64%
Some confidence....................................................21%
Not much confidence ...............................................5%
No confidence at all .................................................6%
Don’t know .............................................................2%
Refused .................................................................2%

2) How much confidence do you have in the declared election results? Would you say you have:

A lot of confidence................................................ .62%
Some confidence....................................................21%
Not much confidence ................................................6%
No confidence at all ..................................................7%

Don’t know
..............................................................3%
Refused
..................................................................2% 

3) Considering everything that has occurred before, during, and after the elections, do you consider Ahmadinejad to be the legitimate President of Iran?

Yes ........................................................................ 81%
No...........................................................................10%
Don’t know ................................................................3%
Refused ....................................................................5%

4)In general, how satisfied or dissatisfied are you with Iran’s system of government? Would you say you are:

Very satisfied ........................................................ 41%
Somewhat satisfied ................................................46%
Not very satisfied .....................................................7%
Not at all satisfied ....................................................3%
Don’t know ..............................................................1%
Refused ..................................................................1%

5) Please tell me which of these two views is closer to yours? Do you think:

A council of senior religious scholars should
have the power to overturn laws when it
believes they are contrary to the Quran. ............... 62%
If laws are passed by elected representatives
of the people they should not be subject to a
veto by senior religious scholars.............................24%
Don’t know .........................................................11%
Refused ..............................................................3 %

Traitor, schmaitor, agent, schmagent,

warmonger, schmoremonger, Fascist, schmasist, potato, potaato

will lead to nowhere fast

I think.

Yousef (NF and 'apolgists')

1) Oooops! Here is the blog I mentioned in my last long post below.

//iranian.com/main/blog/rosie/you-are-not-iranian

I accidentally linked just the post to Yolanda.

2) Yousef, it is really pointless for me to address your last posts seriously--not that they were specifically directed to me, but perhaps impossible for some others here too-before you address my last two posts to you. Because my posts contain several compelling points. So that is, until you show yourself to be reasonable and above board (regardless of whether others are or not), ain't gonna happen.

(I wonder if No Fear, who lauded you on your 'irrefutable arguments' will address any of my arguments either. Likewise those who may be reading this who have been frequently called 'apologists)'.

Tired & Old Propaganda

Yousef-e-gomgashteh:

 "The fact is that Iran is now free from foreign influence and domination."

 "The monarchists, communists and Mujahedeen e Khalq supporters...."

The gibberish that you have written above is tried and old propaganda used by every tyrant and dictator throughout history, including the Shah himself.  The overwhelming majority of the people in Iran want the IRI gone for one reason or the other...some for political oppression, some for economic incompetence, some for social oppression, some for isolating Iran, some for IRI's anti-Iranian character and idology...and many other reasons.  

For what it's worth, It's actually a good thing that you IRI supporters have isolated yourselves in your bubble and think that the only people who don't like you are "monarchists" and "MKO".  Keep it up.  That's how Shah dropped the ball, you know.   

PS--the IRI is perhaps the LEAST independent system in Iran's history.  It's even dependent on foreign gasoline imports to keep cars running in Iran.  The IRI is so dependent on other nations that every person in Iran will have to go back to riding donkeys if other countries refuse to sell IRI refined petroleum products, and that's in a country with the third largest oil reserves in the world.  if it wasn't for IRI's incompetence for the past 31 years, Iran could have (and would have) built enough refineries to not only meet its domestic needs, but to also export refined products all over the world.  

Audacity does not come close

to explaining this guy. These people have been coming to this site and posting about the glory of the independnet islamic regime while ignoring the fact that the regime is in cahoots with the chinese and the russians not to mention spending billions to acquire 60's era north korean worthless junk weapons.

So, 31 years, countless lives and billions upon billions later, we are no better than we were then. Infact, we are far worse off.

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a shining example of western liberal political correctnes.

That is what this blog is an excelent example of.

A deranged self professed "ex savaki, turned Hezbullahi"! (not a quantum leap I'd say), joins this forum yesterday, immediately upon his apparent release from a mental institution. He then declares a "1000 year islamic third Reich", hurls profanity and personal insult of most vulgar nature at other members and tens of thousands of Iranians murdered by the islamic regime, gets "welcome on board" greetings from another former institution member, with his avatar adorned with the picture of a paranoid schitzophernic mass murderer.

And what happens to this guy? gets banned? gets a warning? non of above. Instead, the moderator of this site, Rosie starts a polite debate with him about who killed more Iranians, Shah or Mullahs! 

  "Fascism is capitalism in decay". V.I. Lenin

Iran is now free and independent

The fact is that Iran is now free from foreign influence and domination. Under the Shah, the government surrendered all national rights to the Americans. People forget the fact that the great Shahanshah Aryamehr was just a puppet ruler.

Nowadays, decisions and policies are made by Iranians for Iranians.

The monarchists, communists and Mujahedeen e Khalq supporters here can't bear the fact that Iran is progressing despite all their efforts to impose sanctions and war- these are the same people who encouraged Saddam to invade and overthrow Khomeini back in 1980.

It is time to put people like Amir on trial for his treason and lies should he ever return to Iran.They must be held accountable to the people.

Clarification

I admire many things about the two Shahs. And here I will address one point you made in yout long post below about the achievements of IRI: infrastructure.

I think IRI improved the infrastructure the Shahs built, and most IslamISTS conveniently ignore this. Just as I think IRI defends a territorial integrity also defended by the Shahs, a territorial integrity in turn mostly first achieved by Shah Esmail, which many anti-Islam and/or IslamIsTS also conveniently ignore.

(No, I don't think restored by Shah Esmail. Achieved. The territory of the Achaemenids was far more extensive, I think).

Yousef, in your department store,

Once again, "untermensch" is a term used by Nietzsche to describe the morally inferior person - it is not racially pejorative. The Nazis mistranslated it as "subhuman" (in a physical sense).

Don't buy it. You know perfectly well the term is one of the most polarizing and incendiary ones you could possibly use here. Please do not rationalize your use of it, as such hypocrisy undermines any valid critque you may have of your 'opposition' here, because you're playing dirty.

Unfortunately, people like Amir are the real Nazis

Would buy, but wrong size. Have never in three years here seen anyone I found to be a 'real' Nazi, literally or figuratively. Figuratively because of degree of Nazi crimes and extermination agenda. Literally because Nazism is a specific historical phenomenon. Nazis were Nazis. And scrupolosity in language is essential in intelligent debate. IMHO when any 'camp' uses it, it's equally just plain wrong. In this case, the burden is on you for using that intentionally offensive term.

For my objection to the use of the word 'the' (real Nazis), see section below beginning 'therefore'.

However, you have made me realize an irony I never noticed before. The actual Aryanists I know here would be the first ones to be horrified of any comparison of them with Nazis. And they are quite sincere.

Unfortunately, people like Amir are the real Nazis as they think Iranians are "Aryan ubermenschen" compared to Arabs and Turks. There is no doubt these people want to replace Islam with their brand of Pan-Aryanism.

Might buy but needs tailoring. Won't comment on Amir specifically (now, anyway) but for my opinion on this issue (with a little reading between the lines) you may see this recent blog of mine

//iranian.com/main/comment/reply/111515/308260

with particular attention to my last long post to Yolanda. Especially to my use of the word 'polarization' and my comments on the two Irans. This is the underlying historical root of the problem. The collective psyche is torn and the Shahs made it a lot worse. It needs to be sewn together again.

Therefore, you will find the real racists among the anti-IR crowd: they hate Arabs, Turks and Indians with a real passion

No, there is no the real racists in this issue. Both are racist/chauvinistic/etc. You, and the (covert or overt) Aryanists and those just anti-Islam (as opposed to IslamIST).

No sale yet.

When an Islamist speaks, an Islamist lies (Part Deux)

Unfortunately, people like Amir are the real Nazis as they think Iranians are "Aryan ubermenschen" compared to Arabs and Turks. There is no doubt these people want to replace Islam with their brand of Pan-Aryanism.

Prove it, you lying Islamist liar. If I have ever used the word Aryan anywhere (let alone advocated "Pan-Aryansim"), show me where, O West-residing Rapist Regime Groupie.

BTW, how rich for the Groupie of a Regime that sponsored a holocaust denial conference in Tehran and invited a whole host of Neo-Nazis (including former KKK Grand Wizard David Duke) to accuse others of racism. Duke's website has a link to his speech in Tehran--if your work doesn't block the site, you can check it out. In view of the Rapists' penchant for inviting Neo-Nazis and former KKK leaders to Tehran, you are welcome to decide for yourselves if their use of the word "untermenschen" is just a refernce to Nietzsche's philosophy (oh yeah, I believe the Rapists' claims):

//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Untermensch

Do I even need to say it? Okay, I will: when an Islamist speaks, an Islamist lies.

And some quick statistics

This is public knowledge and true.

//iranian.com/main/blog/cost-progress/quick-review-known-statistics

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Here's another sign of progress

Here, a progressive member of the theocracy displaying how he supports opression:

 //iranian.com/main/blog/cost-progress/what-were-dealing-people

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Another example of IRI progress

and the divine system's battle for the welfare of the poor and the needy:

 //iranian.com/main/news/2010/06/22-11

When an Islamist speaks, an Islamist lies.

I never denied the brutality of SAVAK, O lying Islamist liar--SAVAK did brutal things, but the IRI's crimes far, far exceed those of the Shah's regime in scale and scope (the number of people executed is exponentially greater). I've already said that I support a democratic republic not a monarchy, but I do recognize that the Rapist Regime is 100 times worse than the previous regime. As far as the sanctions and wars the Rapist Regime has been involved in, these are self-inflicted wounds (and in actuality, Founding Rapist Khomeini called the war "a blessing") due to the attempt to "export the revolution", the taking of hostages, bombing of embassies, "Death to America", "Death to (Fill in the Blank)", etc., etc. With respect to the brain drain, why would some of the brightest minds in Iran want to leave the IRI with all its wonderful achievements?

Even an Islamist Rapist Groupie has to admit that it is a little funny being called "gharbzadeh" by an IRI Cyber Propagandist who is living in the West and using Western technology (computer and Internet) to spout his Islamist lies. I also find it amusing that a promoter of sex change operations would refer to anyone else as a "bache soosool". You do get the irony, don't you O Rapist Regime Groupie?

The modus operandi of Islamist liars is to pile lies on top of lies (e.g. Shah killed 60,000 people, Neda was killed by Arash Hejazi, BBC, Mossad, CIA, MI6, KGB or Neda is alive and well in the West--depending on the IRI's latest "explanations"). What Y. BozorgLiar brings is more lies, and his sources to back these up are No Name publications and websites, i.e. Islamist Rapist Pravdas. Please just look at the links and ask yourselves if IRI's P.R. agents in the West can be trusted. Which brings me to another point: listening to West-residing Rapist Regime Groupies is like listening to those West-residing Stalinists who touted all the wonderful achievements of the glorious USSR.

Now let's talk about the IRI's phoney "achievements" (and bear in mind that they have been in power for 31 years, Iran has the 3rd largest oil reserves and 2nd largest natural gas reserves. The Shah had high oil prices only from 1973-1978; and the past decade has seen some of the highest oil prices ever). The average Iranians' income under the IRI is 60% of what it was in the 1970s (when corrected for inflation). The exchange rate was 7 tomans to 1 dollar: what's the exchange rate now? Iran's current GDP per capita is either 68th or 71st in the world, depending on the source. In 1979, it was 47th or 50th. How's that for progress:

//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)_per_capita

IRI's current ranking on the Human Development Index is 88 (behind Armenia, Ukraine, Azerbaijan, and Thailand). Is that the IRI's "great achievement"?

//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Human_Development_Index

As far as IRI's "sophisticated arms industry" does that include the Saeqeh advanced fighter jet?

Surely, when one thinks of leading and emerging manufacturing and technological powers, one thinks of N. America, Europe, Japan, China, India (for computer software), Taiwan, S. Korea, Singapore--and of course, the IRI. The IRI is a major exporter of high tech and manufactured goods. Oh yeah, we all know that is true. 

The family planning policy was developed by the Shah's regime in the 1970s and shelved by the IRI in the 1980s, in favor of Khomeini's dictum for women to have children to provide a steady supply of 12 year-old boys to step on landmines for the greater glory of Emam-e Aziz. In the 1990s, the IRI revived the Shah's family planning policy because they know they can't produce nearly enough jobs for the population. I am very impressed at this Rapist "achievement" too.

As far as IRI having the most transexuals in the world (actually, I believe it's second behind Thailand, but who cares?), this is even too funny for me to comment on as an "achievement".

As far as the wonderful Rapist Regime roads, IRI has the highest rate of deaths from car accidents in the world. What an achievement:

//www.healthmetricsandevaluation.org/resources/news/2009/irans_death_rate_highlights_0509.html

I will give our wonderful Iranian women credit for going to university despite this thuggish regime that gives women such inferior status in the eyes of the law. How shameless of a West-residing Rapist Regime Groupie to tout the IRI's treatment of women as an "achievement". However, it is still worth stating the fact that IRI's female literacy rate is quite a bit lower than that of a number of other Mideast countries (including some which are either more conseravtive and/or poorer than Iran). IRI is ranked 141st in the world. This is hardly something for West-residing IRI Groupies to brag about:

//www.nationmaster.com/graph/edu_lit_fem-education-literacy-female

Like I said, when an Islamist speaks, an Islamist lies.

The opressors' obsessions

The alliance of reesh-o pashm, the occupying force in Iran, claims that they are the defenders of the weak and speak for all the opressed masses. In the same breath, they murder, rape, steal and lie their way to the coffers of Iran and her oil money while double digit inflation and unemployment is rampant and takes victims of the very people they claim to defend.

The character by the user id bozorgmehr is a typical representation of this cancer.

As noted before, most of the anti Islamic regime posters here are NOT monarchists although I have no problem with those who are.

All I (we) want is a democratic Iran with separation of mosque and state. Something that, frankly, as long as we have our heads up Islam's butt will be impossible.

Why is that so hard to understand? Is it because the power of the unelected clergy will diminish and with it the ability to dictate??

I Now retrun you to your regularly scheduled program of "Let's Worship Some Dead Arabs".

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The bigger problem

Well, this creature, Yousef....whatever, is obviously an IRI propaganda agent.  He is feeding us the same BS about IRI "progress" (BTW, I love the bit about grain production--saying that Iraan is self sufficient in every grain BUT rice...the country's main staple...LOL!!!) and same justifications and excuses for a brutal regime that murders its own citizens on the streets and tortures and rapes them in prison.

The bigger problem on this site is the IRI lobby, CASMII, being featured on the News section.  This propagandist, by his own admission (see his first comment on the thread) is a cohort of Kaveh Afrasiabi, another well known IRI agent who sits on the board of CASMII.  So, why do we have an organization which is clearly a propaganda and lobby front for the IRI, featured on this site permanently?  Perhaps the administrators can answer that question.