Did Iranians make a mistake?

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by amirparvizforsecularmonarchy
07-Sep-2011
 

This article is not about your preference of government for the future of Iran. Most Republicans and Most of those for constitutional monarchy are not in favor of revolutions or coups, their ideals require them to both want the people to choose which form of government they want. This is about 1979, the revolution and how we went from light into darkness. My Question is did Iranians make a mistake? We can in this sense discuss all groups and factions, especially pro secular republicans, jebhe melli and all the others who helped the founder of the Islamic Republic come to power.

Lets consider these 2 historical documents for the purpose comparing the founders of the system we were using, to the system Iranians united to bring about.

Rouhollah Khomeini Founding Father of IRI:

A man can have sexual pleasure from a child as young as a baby. However, although he should not penetrate, sodomising the child is OK. If the man penetrates and damages the child then he should be responsible for her subsistence all her life. This girl however does not count as one of his four permanent wives. The man will not be eligible to marry the girl's sister.

-- Ayatollah Khomeini in Tahrirolvasyleh, fourth volume, Darol Elm, Qom.

Cyrus the Great Founding Father of the Iranian Monarchy, Shahanshahi:

I am Kourosh (Cyrus), great king, Now that I put the crown of the kingdom of Iran, Babylon, and the nations of the four directions on the head with the help of Ahura, I announce that I will respect the traditions, customs and religions of the nations of my empire and never let any of my governors and subordinates look down on or insult them while I am alive. I will impose my monarchy on no nation. Each is free to accept it, and if any one of them rejects it, I never resolve on war to reign. While I am the king I will never let anyone oppress others, I will never let anyone take possession of movable and landed properties of the others by force or without compensation. While I am alive, I will prevent unpaid, forced labour. Today, I announce that everyone is free to choose a religion. No one could be penalised for his or her relatives' faults.

-- The charter of Cyrus, a baked-clay Aryan language (Old Persian) cuneiform cylinder, written on the occasion of his crowning on the Nowruz of 539 BC. (Discovered 1878 in the excavation of Babylon)

To both Monarchists and Republicans please refrain from asking the question of which form of government today serves the purpose of cultural and social consensus amongst the various ethnicities and social groups, which is a precondition of democracy. That is another discussion all together.

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My only knowledge from hsitory is that if we become a unipolar world where there is only one super power then that could put the lid on science, but as you noted, we are not in a unipolar world and things are moving in a way that in 10 years time we will have several powers and various alliances.

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Its okay thanks for trying Tabarzin

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If I could reach him he would be a good one, worth enlightening regarding the root cause of what is going on and how policy makers are running circles around people who have had all the information concealed from them and even been the victims of mass media propaganda.


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Chris Hedges

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I've had a monkey of a time trying to find an email address for this guy to give to you. It isn't recorded in the public domain of google, I can tell you that.I'll keep looking.


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breaks on science, so far the US Congress has only been able to give oil companies and pharmaceutical companies the ability to slow down science.  I mean those 2 things are huge, cure for diabetes and salt water for car power.  You are right once the countries become strong enough that they can stand up to the USA then inventions will pick up elsewhere, but so far they have kept up holding us back for 10 years!!!!!

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Well thanks! I have read history and no one will be able to put breaks on science. The result will be to put back America. Because some other nation be it India; China; or someone will do it.

The biggest losers will be the ones allowing Wall Street to get its way. Right now people go to Mexico to get treatments not allowed in US. Before long it will be India. Necessity is the mother of invention. No energy means being creative.

I don't know about the cars but various technologies will appear. All big oil is going to do is slow down America. Brazil is already using ethanol instead of oil for cars. What is there to stop others. The technology is there as is the proof.


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I don't know if you are into history, but everything you quote has strong historical truth.  Brits and Germans using assasination of leaders to basically reduced Africa to dirt, to protect their ore and coal reserves, today the uk has one of the largest clean coal reserves and its almost entirely useless/worthless and has been since last 50 years.

The funny thing is, today oil is worthless, but corrupt oil companies won't let good alternatives power cars.  For example one tank of salt water from the ocean can take a car 500 miles and the by product is h2O, water! so its 100% clean and has no toxic by product.  The problem is oil companies and wall street and city of london are ruthless and have even got the power to put the breaks on science, like pharmaceutical companies that are supporting groups that prevent stem cell reaserch, even though harvard did tests and cured 200 diabetics.  I get the news reports from the research lab in harvard and think that even democrats are becoming pimps, for the right amount of money they say anyone can be bought.  

This may disturb you, that is not my intention, but we do all have to unite against greed and corruption, democracy/freedom and human dignity depend on it otherwise we will just repeat the mistakes of the colonial/military past.  //www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQMXzpTaIh4

 


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we find a replacement for oil the better the world is. Honestly if we come up with another form of energy all these problems will go. No more free money for dictators. No more messing with Middle East. No more problems.

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Vildemose if you read the media you will be misled. period

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Regarding Egypt, Tunisia, Syria the media has been correct to tell people that they are not today major oil exporters like they once were after ww2.  But they mislead people regarding their large oil reserves that their governments will want to tap dirt cheap.  So to say, their story is about oil and they are using the same groups they fund, the muslim brotherhood.  Now these radicals are all saying the same thing about creating a moderate islamic state, yet in practice words and actions are going to be very different.  They are hypocrits like khomeini who lied to all.


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The link I gave you lets you read it for free.

The west will only start oil exports from tunisia, egypt and syria if they can get it dirt cheap like iran/iraq and they will do everything to ensure it is.

The USA has the world largest oil reserves not saudi arabi which they say in the news from time to time, but since 1970's they increased imports from 30% to over 70% to use up the poor countres oil first and be the last ones with it when it runs out (to make the most money) they do this politically by using environmental groups funded by the oil companies to prevent accessing US oil.


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Vildemose on oil exporters

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If you look in the 1950's both egypt and tunisia were net oil exporters, during the last 30 years their political systems stopped oil exploration and export to wait until oil ran out some more and to get a better price for it in the future.

However that will change as they both have vast oil reserves available to be tapped, if indeed their governments are gone for good.  Syria too, it has oil, just less than those 2.  Reading on news 75% of its syrian oil territory has not been explored.

 


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 I found the book:

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 Amirparviz: Egypt and Tunisia are not oil exporters. Neither is Syrai. Only Lybia.

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thank you Amirparviz. I know it's hard to crunch these numbers from different sources. I'm not good at this.  But thank you for the links anyways. I need to look at them when I'm not distracted by other things.

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Dear Tabarzin, I just posted this comment to this blog

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I don't know too well how to use the internet and was looking for the email address of this Chris Hedges who wrote this piece.  Do you know where to get it, I could not create an account to login at pacific press.

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my comment:

Dear Chris, I feel your pain, sadly many are too brainwashed to know what you mean.

Your case is entirely missing the point of Motive by the US Govt and UK, why? It doesn't take too much research to discover say Iran before 1979 revolution used to get 75% share of income from it's sales of oil with ENI.  After the revolution and the imposition of fundamentalism by the usa & uk on Iranians via a coup in 1979, that number would change to 20% for Iran.  You mentioned Nationalism without explaining that it is a tool used by our leaders to pursue their interests.

If you could add the cold truth of over $10 Trillion Dollars of theft from the people of each of these societies, instead of Palestine, you would then be educating Americans for real.  As an answer to the question of why the USA and UK find it necessary to act in a way so as to increase fundamentalism & terrorism and steal the freedom of people in these countries.  The reason the USA will veto a Palestinian state and uses this issue to create/inspire the terrorist organizations is exactly because Iraqi Freedom was not the real agenda, infact Iraqi enslavement was the goal and will continue to be US Policy so long as people are kept in the dark regarding US imperialism, which I doubt any sane American would want.

The real assholes use terrorism, nationalism etc that they are creating to steal peoples freedom, practice imperialism, militarize the world and lead us all towards a 3rd world war as these are all the exact same historical causes of ww1 and ww2.  We have learned nothing of history.


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Instead of quoting news sources and books one

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should get the data direct from the company sources.  They have to provide it since they are pucblicly traded companies.

Vildemous Go to ENI and the other companies and get their open data.


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Vildemouse information like what i quoted will not be viewable

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in one place, you have to find one link to see what oil contracts were, (I think I provided one linked with the italian minister who was murdered for doing this the company was ENI) //www.scribd.com/doc/63434141/9/ENRICO-MATTEI... read it and you'll find the page on 75%

Then you have to go to another link and see what iran is getting now.  For example in this deal iran gets 20% share of oil.  //www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/artic...

You have to snoop around to get the details of the deals. Look at the volume etc.  I would never even have known to look for information like this without hearing it from an oil executive that was explaining it to me.  He was right, the numbers are so big its staggering.  Basically Iraq, egypt, tunisia and Libya all oil exporters were about the same issue.  Their deals are in the process of being changed to offset austerity in the west.  The deals are horrendous compared with what french, british or American companies get for themselves.

 

 

 


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 Amirparviz jan: Forget

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 Amirparviz jan: Forget the troll. He is no arguing in good faith. He has a self-serving agenda dictated by his paymasters in IRI. How does he know Hakim, the IRI operatives in the US?? He is not worth your time. He is a bully and bullys are attention-starved. So, don't feed him.

After west brought khomeini Irans oil contracts were changed from 75% for Iran to 25%. Iran loses a range of $200 billion to $500 Billion per year.

Can you provide a link/source for your statement?? I'm not debating its veracity. I just like to see it backed up by factual evidence.  Thanks AMirparviz. This has been a very educational blog.

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That website, //shiaonlinelibrary.com

May be useful. I'm looking through it and so far cannot find the quotes. I'm using google's ability to translate Arabic to English (albeit imperfectly).

Can anyone show me the relevant passages? Or must I do the work you all probably haven't done yourselves, but should have?


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tahrir.zip

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This contains html pages. html files are proof of what?


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I just googled something...

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//lifesgreatclues.com/alien-chip-found-in-the...

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For new people to this post.

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To become aware of IRI go to the official supported by shia foundations online like //shiaonlinelibrary.com if you can read arabic

or for translations go here //ethnikoi.org/iran.html

To learn Why and How the 1979 Coup happened go here

//www.studien-von-zeitfragen.de/Eurasien/Shah...

After west brought khomeini Irans oil contracts were changed from 75% for Iran to 25%. Iran loses a range of $200 billion to $500 Billion per year.

This explains why both sides of the USA love Islam/IRI for Iran and why Shah was labelled a Dictator by their mass media.  It also gives us insight as to why they don't want to do anything to remove the current unpopular tyranny they imposed on iranians via a coup in 1979.Except maybe support a worse one like the mek.

Iraq war was purely for oil.  Today the entire middle east is militarized by the USA and France. The policies of both democrats and republicans are imperialistic, not just neocons.Each employs a different strategy to get to the same end result.

Javid Shah!


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Mash Ghasem


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کتاب امام از پلا ستیک  بود.
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VPK & Raoul I already said I was done with it, finito

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Yes go on VPK say it, you know you want to. 

Baba I know you told me so, but well y'know, what I didn't know what you meant by Kane. Khob pas inam yek darse digeh.

Was looking at some guys trip to iran and it looked so depressing, //vimeo.com/9263589

compared with the video of before 1979 on this site //www.youtube.com/watch?v=doEfCu3ICyU&feature...

Ah the mistakes we make.  : )


Raoul1955

AmirXYZ

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VPK has a very valid point.
When dealing with the public, and this site is open to the public, it is a mistake to be 'led around' by any 'Mohammad Rosary' who keeps repeating himself without any meaningful p.o.v.
You posted an interesting blog and tried your best to interact with everyone, and now let go of this 'Mohammad Rosary.'  :-)


Veiled Prophet of Khorasan

amirparvizforsecularmonarchy

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I know Iranians made a mistake. Now you are making another mistake by responding to this "person:". I am not going to get into a discussion with it.


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All this nonsense about there being something wrong with me is an excuse for you all to get out of taking responsibiilty for your claims and opinions.

But what else can you expect from people who don't even use their real name in a debate?