Did Iranians make a mistake?

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amirparvizforsecularmonarchy
by amirparvizforsecularmonarchy
07-Sep-2011
 

This article is not about your preference of government for the future of Iran. Most Republicans and Most of those for constitutional monarchy are not in favor of revolutions or coups, their ideals require them to both want the people to choose which form of government they want. This is about 1979, the revolution and how we went from light into darkness. My Question is did Iranians make a mistake? We can in this sense discuss all groups and factions, especially pro secular republicans, jebhe melli and all the others who helped the founder of the Islamic Republic come to power.

Lets consider these 2 historical documents for the purpose comparing the founders of the system we were using, to the system Iranians united to bring about.

Rouhollah Khomeini Founding Father of IRI:

A man can have sexual pleasure from a child as young as a baby. However, although he should not penetrate, sodomising the child is OK. If the man penetrates and damages the child then he should be responsible for her subsistence all her life. This girl however does not count as one of his four permanent wives. The man will not be eligible to marry the girl's sister.

-- Ayatollah Khomeini in Tahrirolvasyleh, fourth volume, Darol Elm, Qom.

Cyrus the Great Founding Father of the Iranian Monarchy, Shahanshahi:

I am Kourosh (Cyrus), great king, Now that I put the crown of the kingdom of Iran, Babylon, and the nations of the four directions on the head with the help of Ahura, I announce that I will respect the traditions, customs and religions of the nations of my empire and never let any of my governors and subordinates look down on or insult them while I am alive. I will impose my monarchy on no nation. Each is free to accept it, and if any one of them rejects it, I never resolve on war to reign. While I am the king I will never let anyone oppress others, I will never let anyone take possession of movable and landed properties of the others by force or without compensation. While I am alive, I will prevent unpaid, forced labour. Today, I announce that everyone is free to choose a religion. No one could be penalised for his or her relatives' faults.

-- The charter of Cyrus, a baked-clay Aryan language (Old Persian) cuneiform cylinder, written on the occasion of his crowning on the Nowruz of 539 BC. (Discovered 1878 in the excavation of Babylon)

To both Monarchists and Republicans please refrain from asking the question of which form of government today serves the purpose of cultural and social consensus amongst the various ethnicities and social groups, which is a precondition of democracy. That is another discussion all together.

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maziar 58

$#% jak

by maziar 58 on Sat Sep 10, 2011 07:49 PM PDT

cool now that you lostyour temper and showed us your idiotic skills and manner;I'm not going to tell you which Iranian bookstore in maryland can get it for you and ship it to your texas address.

put your key board in your bed and go to sleep.

Maziar


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JahanKhalili

Sheesh

by JahanKhalili on Sat Sep 10, 2011 07:48 PM PDT

You guys can't even get your insults straight.

Reform requires a brain.

That's bad news for some people here. 


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vildemose

 amirparviz: I did not

by vildemose on Sat Sep 10, 2011 07:42 PM PDT

 amirparviz: I did not mean you. I meant our Jahan chakhan. Sorry, for not being clear.

Reform requires the consent of the corrupt


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JahanKhalili

Whenever You Get the Damned Book

by JahanKhalili on Sat Sep 10, 2011 07:41 PM PDT

Photograph every damned page in it, including the cover and spine, and post it here on Iranian.com.

When you do that, I'm going to show it to a member of the famous Shi'ite Hakim family. 

I'm sure I'm not going to get anything from any of you - you lot fool around too much, and don't seem very professional, so I don't take any of you seriously.


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amirparvizforsecularmonarchy

Vildemose how am I an IRI propagandist?

by amirparvizforsecularmonarchy on Sat Sep 10, 2011 07:39 PM PDT

That is not good news for anyone.

Who are Christian Dominionists? 

from //www.ft.com/cms/s/0/8f85711e-0781-11e0-8d80-...

chronic lymphocytic leukaemia


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amirparvizforsecularmonarchy

Vildemose how am I an IRI propagandist?

by amirparvizforsecularmonarchy on Sat Sep 10, 2011 07:38 PM PDT

That is not good news for anyone.

Who are Christian Dominionists? 

from //www.ft.com/cms/s/0/8f85711e-0781-11e0-8d80-...

chronic lymphocytic leukaemia


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JahanKhalili

"Google it"

by JahanKhalili on Sat Sep 10, 2011 07:37 PM PDT

You idiot.

We're talking about a book. 

I have been googling it for about seven years now, and there is no example anywhere of a fully photographed or scanned book.

Why do I have to keep repeating myself? Duh. 


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maziar 58

here's the scan

by maziar 58 on Sat Sep 10, 2011 07:30 PM PDT

google it! googooli.

Maziar


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JahanKhalili

Yeah, I Want The Book

by JahanKhalili on Sat Sep 10, 2011 07:26 PM PDT

I want it because I'm going to go and show it to some people who could tell me if its real or fake.

Please get it for me. 

I'm in the US. 


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JahanKhalili

What's the Matter?

by JahanKhalili on Sat Sep 10, 2011 07:24 PM PDT

Can't any of you show me where on the internet there are scanned copies or photos of the book - and every page in it?

You'd think that people who are so bent on using it as a propaganda tool would have thought of actually letting everyone see it...

... unless its all a lie. 


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vildemose

When Shah, His personal

by vildemose on Sat Sep 10, 2011 07:23 PM PDT

When Shah, His personal Doctor, One of his prime ministers Alam and an important government deputy all die within 2 years of the same type of cancer that is rare and naturally occurs in 1 in 500,000 people you have to ask can this mathematically be probable or is something up?  Use your gut now.

what kind of cacner did they die of??

I think we have newly minted IRI propagandist masquerading as a chiristian dominionist....lol

Reform requires the consent of the corrupt


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amirparvizforsecularmonarchy

Are you in the US, the UK or Qom? LOL

by amirparvizforsecularmonarchy on Sat Sep 10, 2011 07:23 PM PDT

I'm talking with him about him getting you the original not photostatic.  If you want it from a used place online as you may know, you have to go to the one in your country (not Iran), you have to place an order and then wait until they get a copy in stock and that takes time, he would be much quicker.


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Raoul1955

JahanKhalili's

by Raoul1955 on Sat Sep 10, 2011 07:19 PM PDT

Posts remind me of SamSamxyz... :-)


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maziar 58

real!

by maziar 58 on Sat Sep 10, 2011 07:13 PM PDT

name! my foot.

that's what a blind man use to say too in Italian vedremo .

leave the politics of Iran and Iranias alone if you can not say any thing substantial to their benefit.

 Maziar


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JahanKhalili

Cut the BS

by JahanKhalili on Sat Sep 10, 2011 07:11 PM PDT

I'm talking about the actual book, or photostatic copies of it.

That's another dumb political activist website for cranks. No respectable historian would even look at that crap.

If you looked at the reviews of that "Little Green Book" that could be seen at the bottom of the Amazon page for it, you would find the very telling observation by a smart Westerner:

"Great quotes, but no attributions"

Do you even know what that means? 


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amirparvizforsecularmonarchy

Contacting someone to see if I can get you

by amirparvizforsecularmonarchy on Sat Sep 10, 2011 07:08 PM PDT

copies of the both volumes for 4th edition in arabic not english for free.

//forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=139510

he run's this site.


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JahanKhalili

At Least I Use My Real Name

by JahanKhalili on Sat Sep 10, 2011 07:01 PM PDT

I don't have to hide behind a fake profile and name, like some others.


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maziar 58

..

by maziar 58 on Sat Sep 10, 2011 06:58 PM PDT

jahan chakhan

think your ma's calling from the kitchen: Its time for taking your medication dude.

leave the 70's and 80's alone you can get no where like that.

Maziar


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JahanKhalili

"Rafsanjani" Yourself

by JahanKhalili on Sat Sep 10, 2011 06:53 PM PDT

If you're talking about that "Tahrirolvasyleh" book, it originally was written in one language.

Right? 

So... where's that book - dammit? 


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JahanKhalili

About That "Green Book"

by JahanKhalili on Sat Sep 10, 2011 06:50 PM PDT

It was exposed long ago as a forgery.

Read the reviews here:

 //www.amazon.com/Sayings-Ayatollah-Khomeini-Political-Philosophical/dp/0553140329 


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Raoul1955

You can download

by Raoul1955 on Sat Sep 10, 2011 06:47 PM PDT


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amirparvizforsecularmonarchy

You can get the original in 3 languages.

by amirparvizforsecularmonarchy on Sat Sep 10, 2011 06:49 PM PDT

which one?

Cancer that way could point to murder by someone who didn't want him around.  Alam knew how to deal with clergy, crushed them in 60's so his loss would have some impact on the over all capability to replace the regime or else with only shah gone he could have helped govern for the kings son.  I feel like I'm talking with rafsanjani, are you guys related?


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amirparvizforsecularmonarchy

My view you have to scrutinize everything,

by amirparvizforsecularmonarchy on Sat Sep 10, 2011 06:43 PM PDT

somethings may be stronger than others and some may be bs.  For me 4 people dying of rare cancer is evidence i can't look beyond as is the change in irans oil commissions after the revolution, these 2 things you can get to the bottom of and then it gives you reason to look further.


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JahanKhalili

Dude - the Shah Wasn't Overthrown By Cancer

by JahanKhalili on Sat Sep 10, 2011 06:40 PM PDT

What are you talking about?


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JahanKhalili

Why Don't You Explain Clearly?

by JahanKhalili on Sat Sep 10, 2011 06:38 PM PDT

What do these travel documents and bankwires show?

  That the US or the British overthrew the Shah? How? 

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JahanKhalili

I Just Used My Gut After Reading That

by JahanKhalili on Sat Sep 10, 2011 06:36 PM PDT

I laughed.


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JahanKhalili

The Original

by JahanKhalili on Sat Sep 10, 2011 06:35 PM PDT

Where's the original book? I want to show it to someone over at a university who can verify that its authentic.

Let's prove this one way or the other.

Let's see it.

Come on. I'm tired of waiting all these years. 


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amirparvizforsecularmonarchy

And other times you have to use your gut instinct

by amirparvizforsecularmonarchy on Sat Sep 10, 2011 06:30 PM PDT

When Shah, His personal Doctor, One of his prime ministers Alam and an important government deputy all die within 2 years of the same type of cancer that is rare and naturally occurs in 1 in 500,000 people you have to ask can this mathematically be probable or is something up?  Use your gut now.


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amirparvizforsecularmonarchy

Important people can put their spin

by amirparvizforsecularmonarchy on Sat Sep 10, 2011 06:23 PM PDT

but they can't fake bank wires, they can't fake travel records from plo training bases in libya and they can't fake changing Irans agreement for oil at 75% to 25% for last 30 years, that shows motive.  Yes they can exagerate their degree of influence and people in the intelligence commuity can lie too, but I choose to believe them as I know them and their characters in their lives.


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amirparvizforsecularmonarchy

Which Language do you want them in

by amirparvizforsecularmonarchy on Sat Sep 10, 2011 06:17 PM PDT

english, farsi or arabic?


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