The Iranian people by their massive presence in the election won on many fronts:
1. Internationally, no aggressor can now dream about an Iran attack when millions of brave Iranians showed their solidarity by standing behind a leader who defended their rights. No dreamer can now hope for a division of Iranian people, or hope to create a wedge between people and their overwhelmingly elected government.
2. Completely opposite to what some people feared, now US-Iran rapprochement will speed up under re-election of Ahmadinejad! Now that US can not continue with a futile dream of a leader that they could possibly push around, US HAS TO proceed quickly with a new friendly Iran policy.
3. Internally, the security felt against foreign threats translated into a more open democracy. The debates opened gates that no one can close again. As a result, the student will be charged up for months and even years to come, and the fracture that was introduced in the well protected factionalism inside Iran will only grow deeper. This is the start of a new phase of maturation of Iranian democracy, and it can only get better from here on!
This was a fantastic victory for Iranians. Congratulations to all participants who frustrated the designs of ill-wishers.
PS. With both camps announcing a "quick" and early win, it is now clear who the real "liar" is :-)
PPS. To find out about real sore losers though, you'll have to wait until tomorrow.
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MM
by NiloufarParsi (not verified) on Fri Jun 19, 2009 06:46 AM PDTpls take it easy. the protest are surely about freedom of speech so why you denying jaleh hers?
Souri jan, thanks for the comment.
Jaleh jan, am with you on the question of foreign interference. i think it may be time to drop ahmadinejad altogether. he is a spent force and has become far too divisive to be of any use anymore. he is a liability at home and abroad.
Why should we bear an antenna of lie and propaganda here?
by Mardom Mazloom on Fri Jun 19, 2009 05:56 AM PDT
I have nothing against the person hiding behind the avatar Jaleho. I have something against h/er/is fake ideology. S/he says “since I really don't care for any friendship in here, I am here only for issues,” That means s/he doesn’t like people for whom “velayat ani” is not sacred –i.e. all except h/er/imself - and s/he comes here to spread h/er/is lies. My response is clear and that is GFY.
What do you want to do? Delete my comments.... They will be re-posted as I keep a trail on them.
چو ایران نباشد، تن من مباد
Funny Thing
by Anonymous Joojeh (not verified) on Fri Jun 19, 2009 05:33 AM PDTIt Looks like you were right "Jaleho". It turns out that all these millions of people on the streets in Iran were ALL agents of the Americans, Zionists, etc. It's true. The "leader" said so. here:
//www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/06/19/iran.ele...
If we had only looked in thee right place then these poor, hard working Basijis that you support wouldn't had to "zahmat" themselves and fire machine guns into crowds from roof tops.
An emerging list of 7 demands
by NiloufarParsi (not verified) on Fri Jun 19, 2009 12:43 AM PDTAccording to Pepe Escobar:
A seven-point list of demands has been Twittered and passed hand-to-hand (here in its original Twitter English version) since Tuesday afternoon.
1. Remove Khamenei from supreme leader because he doesn't qualify as a fair supreme leader.
2. Remove [President Mahmud] Ahmadinejad from president because he took it forcefully and unlawfully.
3. Put [Grand Ayatollah Hossein Ali] Montazeri as supreme leader until a review group for the ghanooneh asasi [constitution] is set up.
4. Recognize [losing presidential candidate Mir Hossein] Mousavi as the official president.
5. A government by Mousavi and start a reform of the constitution. 6. Free all political prisoners without any ifs and buts, right away.
7. Call off any secret organization such as gasht ershad [morality police].
source: Asia Time Online
//www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/KF19Ak01....
Jaleh Jan
by MEHRNAZ SHAHABI on Thu Jun 18, 2009 11:28 PM PDTI am aware of what you are saying and that is why I wrote my comment to make the point that there is such an intolerable unthinking atmosphere on this website.
I know you won't be intimidated and don't take the garbage personally; I think Irandokht too ignores the personal attacks and knows where they come from!!
I very much respect both of you for your courage and patience. Please flag personal attacks and don't allow foul language on this blog to become common language.
Dear Mehrnaz,
by Jaleho on Thu Jun 18, 2009 08:06 PM PDTThanks for the nice comment. I normally don't get irritated, no matter how outrageous people find my opinion, and I have never been shy to opine the most out of fashion ideas, so far as I have a conviction. I don't have a problem when Mina says "you are .....because you regard Ahmadinejad smart and in high esteem," no matter how off that position is to people who frequent Iranian.com. That is so because I indeed hold Ahmadinejad to a high esteem.
But my style when I want to refute someone's arguments is to first quote them. I give them the courtesy of reading them correctly and expressing their exact words. You said :"....," and then I refute what the person actually said. What bothers me this time is that Mina Davar does not actually argue against what I say!! She attributes whatever she feels to me, and asks questions based on her own feelings! When I take the time to explain that to her, and ask her to provide a simple cut and paste of my words which she naturally can not find, she accuses me of having deleted my word!! She perseveres on it too!!
This is really irritating because she actually is one of the polite people, so I didn't like to ignore her like I ignore many idiots. But, she doesn't bother to READ what I repeatedly answer her ;-)
Look at her going to my other blog asking the same questions that I have already answered in this blog twice:
//iranian.com/main/blog/jaleho/obamas-correct-iran-policy-so-far
PS. As much as I don't care about what people tell me personally, I get disgusted when they insult IranDokht who is quite an independent thinking lady, who happens to have both the guts and politeness to oppose or agree to any opinions, as unpopular they may be. The fact that she is personally alway polite makes me feel bad for her because I can lash out anytime I wish if I am irritated, since I really don't care for any friendship in here, I am here only for issues, and on the side enjoy sweet people and ignore completely those whom I find not worth it. IranDokht however is too much of a lady for this kinda garbage. See, the mere fact that now I have written few of these personal types of comments irritates me, I really prefer issues only.
Jaleh Jan
by MEHRNAZ SHAHABI on Thu Jun 18, 2009 03:31 PM PDTIranian.com is supposed to be a forum where Iranians can express themselves and discuss issues which are commonly held as taboo subjects, a forum for free debate. In practice, it has become a forum for personal attacks, slandering, labeling, hounding, intimidating, Islamophobia and racist abuse.
I want to make it clear that I disagree with your views on this election and the background issues, but find it absolutely disgraceful that you have been crucified for a position many ordinary people inside and outside Iran hold, just for your sheer guts to voice them where those views are unpopular. I must say, I see Mina Davar's point that you did make yourself a target by becoming unnecessarily 'triumphant' where people's nerves were raw, but it is more so the case that many who have jumped on the bandwagon of the reform movement are using the occasion to unleash their venom. As you know, Irandokht has been the recipient of some virulent attacks. As a matter of fact, in the books of these crusaders most of the demonstrators in Iran, including those who have been arrested or killed, are traitors for having voted, for being Muslims, and for reformist or democratic demands!
You are not responsible for what is happening in iran, regardless of your views. If people are incapable of discussing issues without foul-mouthing and threatening violence, that is their problem and they better address that shortcoming before shedding tears for the freedom of expression in Iran.
Many contributors of this website ARE genuinely hurt and the anger is real, but we could learn a lot from the people in Iran and the circumstances under which they are expressing their views; learn from their courage, patience and discipline in their desire to be heard.
Dear Anonymous7
by Jaleho on Thu Jun 18, 2009 02:14 PM PDTThank you. Some people like Irandokht, Niloufar, or mehrnaz have completely opposing views to me like yourself. But, they are perfectly capable of carrying a logical debate, and despite a deep belief on certain narrative, they can at least READ something from other camps before shooting their moutrh off with irrerelevant comments! But look at this Minadavar for example whom I gave the benefit of doubt because she sounded polite, and I explained everything she asked in detail, many times!
But, like a clown who can't READ, she goes around and complains that I don't answer her, accusingly about things that I have never said, and when I tell her repeadely "cut and paste" what you're attributing to me. That is simple enough, no? That's better than attributing BS to others, isn't it? But, first she tells me that she doesn't read carefully and then when challenged to go and read carefully to understand what I said, she just replies, "now you have changed your blog."
When I explain to her that if the blogs are changed, you'll see them with a red "update" next to them in your track, so I did not change my words in any blogs, instead of a "SORRY I DIDN'T READ YOU CORRECTLY," she repeats herself like a pathetic pest with no comprehension!!
How's that for losing my temper when I have tried one too many time to be nice?
Jaleho
by minadadvar on Thu Jun 18, 2009 01:31 PM PDTThe reason your blog has as many comments as it does, is because most people are in rage with what is going on in Iran and with your hero. By posting provoking blogs like this you have made yourself a punching bag.
Malijak says: Internally, the security felt ...
by Mardom Mazloom on Thu Jun 18, 2009 01:26 PM PDTEyvol ....
چو ایران نباشد، تن من مباد
sadly I agree with that (to Jaleh)
by Anonym7 (not verified) on Thu Jun 18, 2009 12:57 PM PDT"No matter how much some in the US are excited to see some blood in the streets of Tehran ..."
Jaleh, despite my pessimism about both (main) factions involved in the Iranian election dispute, I sadly agree with you that there are some (maybe many) who want to see just what you stated above.
BTW Jaleh, despite our many ideological/political disagreements, I deeply respect how you have handled all these vicious attacks, specially from those who don't believe in either side!
Niloufar aziz,
by Jaleho on Thu Jun 18, 2009 12:23 PM PDTReally I am not interested to have personal spitting race with any of these people, in particular the ones whose language I consider too crude to even take a quick look at. I only address those which have a concrete relevant issue worthy of debate. So, I don't personally care to show that Captain doesn't understand probability or regression analysis, or statistics or even finding simple percentages. I debate any mud throwing that indicate either a one-sided bias towards the results, an intentional fake or fraud, or crude propaganda meant for brainwashing that I expect intelligent people check before buying it.
Although I completely understand that you have good intentions for Iran, and truly believe that a fraud has been reported, I don't understand why youn don't assume the same from me?! Frankly, I can not state my reasons why I believe in Ahmadinejad so strongly, why I believe that the number makes perfect sense, .....more clearly. This repetition is getting tiring. So rather than writing again, I cut and paste part of a comment that I wrote to Kurush in my other blog. Hope it answers you too.
One question before you read that part though: If tomorrow you see a HUGE pro-Ahmadinejad crowds in TV, would you admit that he also has a HUGE following or would you assume that those were brought by force in the streets with buses from some where else, where as pro-Mousavi crowd are real willing Iranians? Think about it, and I'll check with you in a couple of days. here's part of my long comment to Kurush in "Obama's correct Iran policy, so far" blog:
"....That's why I believe that short of a bloody civil conflict, (which unfortunately people who are adamant that Ahmadinejad has no followers despite all the evidence to the contrary) can not even see coming possibly, the peaceful demostrations are indeed a great step forward. It might afford the women's right a rapid pace unthinkable before. It is high time for that, the conditions are definitely over-ripe for that. It even might lead to a structural change in the system for the better. Unfortunately, if uncontrolled riots or a semi-civil war gets underway, then every advance might be wiped out by a semi-military coup.
On the other hand, you also must include the monumental changes in the United States, and the new international power politics in your analysis. The empire here is quite broken. It is not a matter of NOT wanting to press with the neo-colonial plans as before, it is a matter of whether it can be done any more. My thesis is that it can not be done. US needs to change its policies in the Middle East simply because it can not afford to keep it as beofre. The usefulness of Israel as the "local base" is faded rapidly since the disintegration of the Soviet Union. What has kept the relation is rather artificial remnants of the past due to the power of AIPAC inside the US. That is rapidly changing (historically speaking). AIPAC can not continue to be effective in an America which won't be the sole economic superpower in the world. The military, political, and economic hegemony goes hand in hand, and the break up of one leads to the break up of the other. We have already seen this in Iraq. US simply can not afford to mess around Iran a la Iraq for a new base. Even the color revolutions in the former Soviet block faded after US was unable to sustain them economically beyond the original investment in them.
No matter how much some in the US are excited to see some blood in the streets of Tehran, they know that eventually they have to work with whatever is the representative of the MAJORITY of Iranians, as they can not finacially sustain an interference in Iran directly, or through an unstable lackey they might hope to install. It is not going to happen.
The people on Iranian.com who are so sure about the massive Mousavi win, all the "Iran Experts" we see in the CNN the past four days sure of a re-election or giving Ahmadinejad as a sacrificial lamb in the foot of Hashemi, or others who think a revolution will come out of this that will change the Islamic Republic's regime, are going to get disappointed! Maybe a counter crowd all around Iran soon will bring them back to reality, even if they refuse to see the other crowd, that would not change the fact that they exist in larger numbers! Even if they don't celebrate Ahmadinejad's victory, they and the international community will have to deal with Ahmadinejad another four years. Hopefully, cheer leaders who don't have their own skin in the game, wouldn't need too much more blood to realize that fact.
ابلیس فقیه است، گر اینان فقهایند
Shazde Asdola MirzaWed Jun 17, 2009 05:40 PM PDT
ژاله تو و ارشاد؟ حیا کن سر جددت!
رو ماست و خیار خور سر قبر خر لنگت!
خون ریزی ملاّ و خمینی چو عیان است،
لکه بنشیند به قبا و به سرشتت!
ابلیس فقیه است، گر اینان فقهایند
شیطان نبود بدتر از این رهبر زشتت!
Iran election turnouts exceeded 100% in 30 towns, website report
by Artificial Intelligence on Wed Jun 17, 2009 04:49 PM PDTAnother Source claiming fraud in the election:
//www.guardian.co.uk/global/2009/jun/17/iran-...
Turnouts of more than 100% were recorded in at least 30 Iranian towns in last week's disputed presidential election, opposition sources have claimed.
In the most specific allegations of rigging yet to emerge, the centrist Ayandeh website
– which stayed neutral during the campaign – reported that 26 provinces
across the country showed participation figures so high they were
either hitherto unheard of in democratic elections or in excess of the
number of registered electors.
Taft, a town in the central
province of Yazd, had a turnout of 141%, the site said, quoting an
unnamed "political expert". Kouhrang, in Chahar Mahaal Bakhtiari
province, recorded a 132% turnout while Chadegan, in Isfahan province,
had 120%.
Ayandeh's source said at least 200 polling stations across Iran
recorded participation rates of 95% or above. "This is generally
considered scientifically impossible because out of every given cohort
of 20 voters, there will be at least one who is either ill, out of the
country, has recently died or is unable to participate for some other
reasons," the source said. "It is also unprecedented in the history of
Iran and all other democratic countries."
The claims are
impossible to verify, but they are consistent with comments made by a
former Iranian interior minister, Ali Akbar Mohtashamipour, who said on
Tuesday that 70 polling stations returned more completed ballot papers
than the number of locally eligible voters.
Supporters of the
defeated reformist candidates, Mir Hossein Mousavi and Mehdi Karoubi,
have complained that their campaigns' inspectors were refused access to
or ejected from polling centres on election day.
Abbas Abdi, a
Karoubi supporter who was among the radical students who took over the
US embassy in Tehran in 1979, said some polling stations had run out of
ballot papers as early as 10.30am – even though it is standard
procedure to issue each voting centre with more ballots than the number
of voters.
After polling times were extended beyond the original
6pm closing time, other stations refused to provide ballot papers for
fear that participation would exceed the number of voters on the
register, Abdi told Radio Zamaaneh, a Farsi-language station based in
the Netherlands.
I'm so grateful to you Niloufar
by Souri on Wed Jun 17, 2009 04:56 PM PDTSo far, nobody(but you) could answer this question which comes from my anxiety about getting in the wrong direction, once again.
Thanks for understanding where I come from and not jumping on me accusing me of being the agent of this and that (although goosham az in harf ha poereh :)) but just I was disgusted by this ocean of ignorance and animosity.
From what you just pictured, I get a little bit hopeful. While we are not still there, but I can say generally I am positive toward Montazeri.
If (at worst) this should lead to the standing of the IRI still for years to come, at least Montazeri would be a better answer to this chaos.
The best picture, is a referendum on a new secular democratic regim, although I can't bet too much on it, but I wish it's going to happen.
I am an anti-Rafsanji and against anything/anybody who is tied to him. Obviously, you can read that I am not a pro-Mousavi. but as I mentioned before, this is up to the Iranian (inside of Iran) to make the decision.
I just mentioned it again, to make my position very clear to some other people who are not as open minded and civil as you are.
Respectfully,
Piranhas, the Shark and Capt Ayhab!
by Anonym7 (not verified) on Wed Jun 17, 2009 04:33 PM PDTIt is hard to predict whether the Shark (Rafsanjani), or the Piranhas (Khamenei et all) will weather this stormy waters without loosing much more of their decency ... however, Capt Dramas definitely lost much of his/hers as I see it, without being a part of the Shark clan or the Piranha clan!
رای ما را دزدیدن دارن باهاش پز میدن
khaleh moshehWed Jun 17, 2009 04:26 PM PDT
//www.iran-uk.com/article.php?id=38610
Souri
by Niloufar Parsi on Wed Jun 17, 2009 04:22 PM PDTthat's a tough question. several possible scenarios (not mutually exclusive):
- recount declares montazeri winner, but causes deep crisis within the system possibly leading to eventual ousting of khamenei (see below)
- new elections with UN monitors involved, but demands would emerge for wider range of candidates and disbandment of the guardian council. this might require (or later lead to) constitutional changes
- ousting of khamenei by the council of experts. montazeri most likely replacement (constitutionally plausible and the 'smoothest' and most effective outcome at this juncture)
- implosion of security forces & possible civil war
- a referendum on a new secular, democratic regime (eventually)
it's anyone's guess!
Jaleh jan
by Niloufar Parsi on Wed Jun 17, 2009 03:35 PM PDTit is simple: their shoddy calculations and clear errors prove their incompetence and total lack of respect for the general iranian public. you don't go and publish national elections results that include such basic errors. they obviously didn't really care.
i think you are being a little unkind to captain btw. you guys should kiss and make up! there are far more important issues at stake right now.
in fact, i would add that on this site there is no one who does not have the best interests of iran at heart. remember that in 1978/9 monarchists blamed the foreign media and powers for the troubles. the same thing is claimed today.
just as was the case back then, today there are millions of iranians ready for and claiming their rights for a better, more open and democratic state in iran. they are willing to risk their lives for it.
it is immaterial whether ahmadinejad actually won (i am pretty sure he didn't). AN & khamenei and their basiji thugs are no good for iran right now. they need to go. moussavi is not really the issue here. he is just a symbol, and will be discarded along with the colour green soon as the system is democratised. the fact that he lacks charisma is a great advantage for this goal.
Jaleh, you are a rational and goodhearted person. that is clear. why you feel so keen on AN at this juncture is not clear. as you can see, millions of iranians all over the country are ready to show their commitment to getting rid of him at great risk to themselves.
question is: why do you idolise him at their expense?
drama queen (to Ayhab)
by Anonym7 (not verified) on Wed Jun 17, 2009 03:01 PM PDTFor your information, from long before you started commenting on Iranian.com, I have had many exchanges with Jaleh, quiet a few of which were regarding my disagreements with her about IRI's mistakes and particularly Ahmadinejad's anti Israeli rhetoric (e.g.: //iranian.com/main/2008/buying-timepage... ) (dated August 2008).Ayhab, anyone who visits the link above (and there are more like that) will further find you discredited.
Regarding the election also I differed with Jaleh, and voted for Karoubi (as I implied before the election, I went for a liberal) but unlike drama queens like you I don't like because of this election we Iranians gang up against each other like enemies.
Sailing Away
by capt_ayhab on Wed Jun 17, 2009 02:07 PM PDTBoos to all,
sorry for some [kind] words I had say to this Jaleh jun. She earned them.
-YT
Anonym7 AKA our beloved Jaleh0... Explain this one now!!!
by capt_ayhab on Wed Jun 17, 2009 02:00 PM PDTTotal by province according to your[Anonym7 AKA Jaleh0] post of June 15:
Ardabil Province Total votes: 642,005
Bushehr Province Total votes: 493,989
Chaharmahal Bakhtiari Province Total votes: 495,446
East-Azerbaijan Total votes: 2,010,340
Fars Province Total votes: 2,523,300
Gilan Province Total votes: 1,483,258
Golestan Province Total votes: 869,453
Hamadan Province Total votes: 1,019,169
Hormozgan Province Total votes: 843,024
Ilam Province Total votes: 312,667
Isfahan Province Total votes: 2,637,482
Kerman Province Total votes: 1,505,814
Kermanshah Province Total votes: 983,422
Khorasan Razavi Province Total votes: 3,181,990
Khuzestan Province Total votes: 2,038,845
Kohkilouye & Boyerahmad Total votes: 368,707
Kurdistan Province Total votes: 610,757
Markazi Province Total votes: 785,961
Mazandaran Province Total votes: 1,919838
North Khorasan ProvinceTotal votes: 464,001
Qazvin Province Total votes: 692,355
Qom Province Total votes: 599,040
Semnan Province Total votes: 383,308
Sistan-Baluchistan Province Total votes: 982,920
South Khorasan Province Total votes: 383,157
Tehran Province Total votes: 7,521,540
West-Azerbaijan Province Total votes: 1,334,356
Yazd Province Total votes: 609,856
Zanjan Province Total votes: 585,721
TOTAL ......................... 38,281,721
TOTAL according to IR ... 37,145,727
Discrepancy !! .................1,135,994 [Inam hatman sahme Imameh? Ya ke ZAPAS mondeh age kam omad?]
;-)
-YT
Malijak says: This was a fantastic victory for Iranians.
by Mardom Mazloom on Wed Jun 17, 2009 01:13 PM PDT
Aye ghofti ...
چو ایران نباشد، تن من مباد
who can tell all those Iranian youth are getting killed for..?
by who.thinks,people.got.killed.for.nothing (not verified) on Wed Jun 17, 2009 01:07 PM PDTwho can tell all those Iranian youth are getting killed for misunderestaning??!!!!
Only JaleHo, people like Jaleho..
There is no way that they announce the result of election before the day ends...!! with that huge difference in result!
Can not you get the clue, Jaleho? .. OH no you do not want to accept it... you know why????
you are one of them who benefits of this IR regime...
who can look at those Martyr picture and say it was for nothing...!! only Jalehos........who needs blood to survive..
shame on you.
I thought Captain knows at least % calculation
by Jaleho on Wed Jun 17, 2009 12:58 PM PDTSo, where do you think he got his percentages?! So he throws some numbers around and doesn't even know what meaning it has?! You understand that I said assuming his percentage for Hormozgan is correct, which is the ONE region which you brought up with significant difference, then the Hormozgan result is just a mistranslation of "haft" and "hasht" as you guessed earlier. That is Captain's percentage calculation is based on "haft" which is correct data, not "hasht" which was reported on my or his data. But, clearly another explanation is that he just doesn't know how to calculate percentages either, period.
Nilo Jan, I can see that you actually used your own pen and pencil and based on the data of interior ministry got some percentages calculated correctly. So, now what do you conclude based on these regarding the result of election? Could you clearly elaborate please?
Ms Parsi
by capt_ayhab on Wed Jun 17, 2009 12:47 PM PDTI stand corrected on % error for Khorasan Razavi.
Souri Jan, Ms. Parsi this interveiw with Pepe Escovar is a must see in Rosies thread:
//iranian.com/main/news/2009/06/16/struggle-within-iranian-elite
Regards
-YT[Blushing]
Dear IranDokht
by Jaleho on Wed Jun 17, 2009 12:31 PM PDTLike I have been saying though, I have not seen a credible evidence proving the fraud in Iranian election. All I have heard is unsubstantiated rumors, many of those rumors going against each other, and BTW are quite idiotic I might add!
For example, people tend to believe what they see on the internet as a letter written by interior ministry to "rahbar" about how votes were fraud and then the correect votes are then followed!! I mean, even if the copy going around had done a better job of covering the "physical cut and paste," I still would throw away that kind of rumor with a laugh. yeah Right, ministry would give a hard copy of that nature to rahbar, or who ever else likes to distribute it on the internet :-)But, people tend to buy it!
Not only that, they never ask themselves why they accept the data that some ministry worker apparantly "sneaked out" which claims Mousavi won the election by a huge margin , yet that data was reported in the same short time that they claim the legitimate data was reported, and they have a problem with the short term used to report the data :-) :-)
Or many other rumors or claims. Yet, I have not seen one logical argument refuting the result of two year study of Terror Free group which strongly validates the result of Iranian election, in different regions of Iran, and in different age groups! The only argument I heard was that of Mina Davar stating that she personally believes that somebody "manipulated the center for public opinion." Niloufar also said that the report only states that Ahmadinejad was about 34% and Mousavi about 14% , with 27% who said that they are still undecided, and that 34% is not a win for Ahmadinejad. I just don't understand how she translate that figure to a huge win for Mousavi :-)
Well, there are people who act based on belief in ghosts, I prefer hard data and correct statistics.
And once more, I am not refuting the HUGE number of people who are coming out for Mousavi. 13 million IS A HUGE number, and i am sure many who loved the system being challenged are joining in too. What I am saying is that 24 million is a bigger number, which god forbid if you see them as angry as the 13 million who lost! Because then you'll have civil war.
dear Niloufar
by Souri on Wed Jun 17, 2009 12:28 PM PDTGreat analysis. I mostly agree but fear something from the beginning:
". the style of the elections, the actions of the leader, the mobilisation of the military and the
ever-so-fascistic actions of the basiji thugs all combined give
concrete legitimacy to the mass protests and the demands of the
opposition."
Here, I agree and am siding with you, but, what is the result of this?
If the result is a "winner Mousavi", then we get back to the same point of the circle!! Only we have wasted some lives of our youth.
Mousavi-Rafsanjani are tried and thrown!! Here we have the tool but not the goal!! What the people will get is not freedom, but another IRI president! not only a new one, but the one which his past was not glorious.Is this worth it?
This is what I fear.
Captain, Jaleh
by Niloufar Parsi on Wed Jun 17, 2009 12:25 PM PDTOK i went through the percentages (can't believe i am doing this! :)) and there is only one single difference (by province) in my calculation of percentages compared to captain's:
Khorasan Razavi Province
Total votes: 3,181,990
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad: 2,214,801...................... 61.8% should be 70%
Mehdi Karroubi: 13,561......................................... 0.4%
Mohsen Rezaei: 44,809 ........................................12.5% should be 1%
Mir-Hossein Moussavi: 884,570.............................. 24.7%
Spoiled ballots: 24,240........................................... 0.7%
also, i think these are in fact the official figures because of the percentages I get from adding up all the candidates figures:
Total votes (official): 37,145,727 (actual total of all figures is: 37,047,392)
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad: 23,212,561...................... 63%
Mehdi Karroubi: 279,061........................................1%
Mohsen Rezaei: 630,175 ........................................2%
Mir-Hossein Moussavi: 12,526,081...........................34%
Spoiled ballots: 399,514........................................ 1%
Ms. Parsi
by capt_ayhab on Wed Jun 17, 2009 12:07 PM PDTHere is her complete verbatim comment, run your calculation to expose this fake self proclaimed IR mouth piece.
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Killjoy, here's howby Jaleho on Mon Jun 15, 2009 08:30 PM PDT
This is alphabetical data. So, roll down to see Tehran to get your
answer. (But, take a look at other parts of Iran to understand even
more!!)
Ardabil Province
Total votes: 642,005
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad: 325,911
Mehdi Karroubi: 2,319
Mohsen Rezaei: 6, 578
Mir-Hossein Moussavi: 302,825
Spoiled ballots: 4,372
Mir-Hossein Moussavi won over Mahmoud Ahmadinejad in the cities of
Ardabil with 140,582 to 137,220, Pilehsavar with 13,186 to 12,310,
Pars-Abad with 48,521 to 31,453 and Garmi with 24,192 to 20,020.
Bushehr Province
Total votes: 493,989
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad: 299,357
Mehdi Karroubi: 3,563
Mohsen Rezaei: 7,607
Mir-Hossein Moussavi: 177,268
Spoiled ballots: 6,193
Mir-Hossein Moussavi won over Mahmoud Ahmadinejad in the city of Ganaveh with 24,885 to 23,995.
Chaharmahal Bakhtiari Province
Total votes: 495,446
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad: 359,578
Mehdi Karroubi: 4,127
Mohsen Rezaei: 22,689
Mir-Hossein Moussavi: 106,099
Spoiled ballots: 2,953
East-Azerbaijan
Total votes: 2,010,340
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad: 1,131,111
Mehdi Karroubi: 7,246
Mohsen Rezaei: 16,920
Mir-Hossein Moussavi: 837,858
Spoiled ballots: 17,205
Mir-Hossein Moussavi won over Mahmoud Ahmadinejad in the city of Shabestar with 39,182 to 37,099.
Fars Province
Total votes: 2,523,300
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad: 1,758,026
Mehdi Karroubi: 16,277
Mohsen Rezaei: 23,871
Mir-Hossein Moussavi: 706,764
Spoiled ballots: 18,359
Gilan Province
Total votes: 1,483,258
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad: 998,573
Mehdi Karroubi: 7,183
Mohsen Rezaei: 12,022
Mir-Hossein Moussavi: 453,806
Spoiled ballots: 11,674
Golestan Province
Total votes: 869,453
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad: 515,211
Mehdi Karroubi: 10,097
Mohsen Rezaei: 5,987
Mir-Hossein Moussavi: 325,806
Spoiled ballots: 14,266
Mir-Hossein Moussavi won over Mahmoud Ahmadinejad in the cities of
Aqqala with 25,144 to 23,303, Bandar Torkaman with 36,794 to 18,577,
Kalaleh with 28,740 to 23,894 and Maraveh Tappeh with 14,865 to 5,943.
Hamadan Province
Total votes: 1,019,169
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad: 765,723
Mehdi Karroubi: 12,032
Mohsen Rezaei: 13,117
Mir-Hossein Moussavi: 218,481
Spoiled ballots: 9,816
Hormozgan Province
Total votes: 843,024
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad: 482,990
Mehdi Karroubi: 5,126
Mohsen Rezaei: 7,237
Mir-Hossein Moussavi: 241,988
Spoiled ballots: 5,683
Mir-Hossein Moussavi won over Mahmoud Ahmadinejad in the cities of
Bastak with 21,607 to 8,407, Parsian with 11,882 to 6,752, Khamir with 14,943 to 8,263 and Qeshm with 27,884 to 23,020.
Ilam Province
Total votes: 312,667
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad: 199,654
Mehdi Karroubi: 7,471
Mohsen Rezaei: 5,221
Mir-Hossein Moussavi: 96,826
Spoiled ballots: 3,495
Isfahan Province
Total votes: 2,637,482
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad: 1,799,255
Mehdi Karroubi: 14,579
Mohsen Rezaei: 51,788
Mir-Hossein Moussavi: 746,697
Spoiled ballots: 25,162
Kerman Province
Total votes: 1,505,814
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad: 1,160,446
Mehdi Karroubi: 4,977
Mohsen Rezaei: 12,016
Mir-Hossein Moussavi: 318,250
Spoiled ballots: 10,125
Kermanshah Province
Total votes: 983,422
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad: 573,568
Mehdi Karroubi: 10,798
Mohsen Rezaei: 11,258
Mir-Hossein Moussavi: 374,188
Spoiled ballots: 13610
Mir-Hossein Moussavi won over Mahmoud Ahmadinejad in the cities of
Paveh with 12,114 to 8,841, Javanroud with 11,888 to 10,775, Dalaho
with 15,104 to 8,384 and Ravansar with 10,662 to 8,544.
Khorasan Razavi Province
Total votes: 3,181,990
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad: 2,214,801
Mehdi Karroubi: 13,561
Mohsen Rezaei: 44,809
Mir-Hossein Moussavi: 884,570
Spoiled ballots: 24,240
In the city of Khaf, Moussavi won over Ahmadinejad with 30,835 votes over 28,493.
Khuzestan Province
Total votes: 2,038,845
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad: 1,303,129
Mehdi Karroubi: 15,934
Mohsen Rezaei: 139,124
Mir-Hossein Moussavi: 552,636
Spoiled ballots: 28,022
Kohkilouye & Boyerahmad
Total votes: 368,707
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad: 253,962
Mehdi Karroubi: 4,274
Mohsen Rezaei: 8,542
Mir-Hossein Moussavi: 98,937
Spoiled ballots: 2,311
Kurdistan Province
Total votes: 610,757
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad: 315,689
Mehdi Karroubi: 13,862
Mohsen Rezaei: 7,140
Mir-Hossein Moussavi: 261,772
Spoiled ballots: 12,293
Mir-Hossein Moussavi won over Mahmoud Ahmadinejad in the cities of
Baneh with 23,745 to 16,552, Saqqez with 49,519 to 24,523 and Marivan
with 29,902 to 20,404.
Markazi Province
Total votes: 785,961
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad: 572,988
Mehdi Karroubi: 4,675
Mohsen Rezaei: 10,057
Mir-Hossein Moussavi: 190,349
Spoiled ballots: 7,889
Mazandaran Province
Total votes: 1,919838
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad: 1,289,257
Mehdi Karroubi: 10,050
Mohsen Rezaei: 19,587
Mir-Hossein Moussavi: 585,373
Spoiled ballots: 15,571
North Khorasan Province
Total votes: 464,001
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad: 341,104
Mehdi Karroubi: 2,478
Mohsen Rezaei: 4,129
Mir-Hossein Moussavi: 113,218
Spoiled ballots: 3,072
Qazvin Province
Total votes: 692,355
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad: 498,061
Mehdi Karroubi: 2,690
Mohsen Rezaei: 7,978
Mir-Hossein Moussavi: 177,542
Spoiled ballots: 6,084
Qom Province
Total votes: 599,040
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad: 422,457
Mehdi Karroubi: 2,314
Mohsen Rezaei: 16,297
Mir-Hossein Moussavi: 148,467
Spoiled ballots: 9,505
Semnan Province
Total votes: 383,308
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad: 295,177
Mehdi Karroubi: 2,147
Mohsen Rezaei: 4,440
Mir-Hossein Moussavi: 77,754
Spoiled ballots: 3,790
Sistan-Baluchistan Province
Total votes: 982,920
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad: 450,269
Mehdi Karroubi: 12,504
Mohsen Rezaei: 6,616
Mir-Hossein Moussavi: 507,946
Spoiled ballots: 5,585
Mir-Hossein Moussavi won over Mahmoud Ahmadinejad in the cities of
Iranshahr with 50,971 to 33,802, Chabahar with 62,564 to 21,185, Khash
with 47,762 to 9,945, Zaboli with 14,869 to 5,897, Zahedan with 140,118
to 120,978, Saravan with 47,620 to 13,258, Sibsouran with 18,314 to
7,456, Konarak with 18,467 to 9,089 and Nikshahr with 47,661 to 25909.
South Khorasan Province
Total votes: 383,157
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad: 285,983
Mehdi Karroubi: 928
Mohsen Rezaei: 3,962
Mir-Hossein Moussavi: 90,363
Spoiled ballots: 1,920
Tehran Province
Total votes: 7,521,540
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad: 3,819,945
Mehdi Karroubi: 67,334
Mohsen Rezaei: 147,487
Mir-Hossein Moussavi: 3,371,523
Spoiled ballots: 115,701
In the cities of Tehran and Shemiranat, Moussavi beat
Ahmadinejad with 2,166,245 votes to 1,809,855 and 200,931 to 102,433
votes respectively.
West-Azerbaijan Province
Total votes: 1,334,356
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad: 623,946
Mehdi Karroubi: 21,609
Mohsen Rezaei: 12,199
Mir-Hossein Moussavi: 656,508
Spoiled ballots: 20,094
Mir-Hossein Moussavi won over Mahmoud Ahmadinejad in the cities of
Oshnavieh with 12,690 to 8,967, Bukan with 35,833 to 16,481, Piranshahr
with 24,486 to 11,270, Sardasht with 18,654 to 16,737, Salmas with
47,276 to 43,652, Showt with 13,872 to 11,130, Mako with 28,451 to
13,884; Mahabad with 38,579 to 19,999, Miandoab with 55,739 to 55,575
and Naghadeh with 32,415 to 26,419.
Yazd Province
Total votes: 609,856
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad: 337,178
Mehdi Karroubi: 2,565
Mohsen Rezaei: 8,406
Mir-Hossein Moussavi: 255,799
Spoiled ballots: 5,908
Mir-Hossein Moussavi won over Mahmoud Ahmadinejad in the cities of
Ardakan with 23,675 to 19,389, Sadooq with 11,399 to 10,755 and Yazd with 148,090 to 133,792.
Zanjan Province
Total votes: 585,721
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad: 444,480
Mehdi Karroubi: 2,223
Mohsen Rezaei: 7,276
Mir-Hossein Moussavi: 126,561
Spoiled ballots: 5,181
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