For an Islamic Democracy

Thank you Reality-Bites

I really appreciate your kind words brother. 

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Dear VPK, what a great point you made in your comment

you wrote:" I rather move that debate off IC and stop turning any thread into a Bahai bashing fest. "  I agree with you.

Salman

Although I'm not a believer or supporter of Islam being the basis of democracy/constitution/governance in Iran (or anywhere else for that matter), I think deep down you're a good person, even if your views are misplaced on such matters.

Brother Majous

I am sorry, but I was in rush to go out when I left the last penultimate comment. The "Khaen Parsi" is what I call Salman Farsi, and not you. So, I won't call you "Majous Khaen" but I may call you "Majous Bird" :)

Am I still majous?

I thought you called me Salman. So I am sure you are going to suggest "Majous Khaen" :))  

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VPK

I'm out because I don't believe in talking behind people's back. OK.

Now.

As far as academics and philosophers are concerned, how do you think people make up their mind ? Just by reading and watching Fox, CNN and Huffington Post?

We read and watch news, we listen to confronting views, but at the end of the day we still have to put it all into certain drawers. Personal ones, our own.

How can I possibly know what's going on in Iran, Syria, Britain, Afgan, or any other place for that matter, when everybody is telling me a different story?  I can only extrapolate and try to fit daily information into whatever I'd read from various philosophers and historians. Then based on reading, watching and extrapolating I can try to understand and see 20 yrs down the road. Finally, at the end of a long process, I can make up my mind about this and that. 

The point is, do not disregard academics and philosophers. They may not be able to explain the British thugs or the Iranian revolution but they are important in helping us understand why.

PS. ufff, I'm normally a short comment person. ;o) 

سلام علیکم

Hope you have had a good day so far. Sorry I could not join you earlier but I am afraid I don't have a 9-5 job 5 days a week. I have to work weekends and night shifts. I see the exchanages are still being made. May I answer to some comments:

Brother Roozbeh

please do not equate the criminal deeds of the IRI with Islam. This is where you are confusing these two with each other.

Sister Yolanda

Fasting 13 hours a day is not easy sister.

Brother VPK

I can only ofer words at present. How woukld you expect me to  "do" things?

Sister Akhtar

I have only had the fortune of going to Hajj Omrah but I hope sometime soon Inshallah I can to to the proper Hajj (tamatto'e) with my wife. Eftaar was nice :) 

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Brother Majous

So, you are a bird now. You now have to change your name to complete the transformation :)

Dear Truthseeker9

I am just responding to Rea. I probably won't join the discussion myself. What bothered me about her post was "Out of here". I don't like people jumping in; getting the last word in; then getting out. If someone has something to say; then say it and stay to defend it.

Now she brought up a point. Freethought may want to discuss his ideas. So I suggested interested parties go to Facebook and go at it. Then IC gets to have its policy and anyone wanting to get in an endless debate may do so on Facebook. You know I do not share his views on Bahai. I rather move that debate off IC and stop turning any thread into a Bahai bashing fest. I hope you see my point.

VPK

I don't really want to be drawn into futile debates, but what is there to discuss? He has been blocked for Abuse not for his views. What is difficult to understand here that yet another debate needs to be started about this one individual being blocked??? He would be here if he did not Abuse.

Re: Always out when the going gets tough ;o)

Perhaps the argument should be moved to facebook or site where he is present. Then all sides will be able to present their opinions. I am serious. Most of us have presence of Facebook. How about Salman as a proxy would point to a thread where everyone could jump in?

Instead of "out of here"; try to present some alternatives. "Out of here" is not exactly the way to win an argument. We got out of Iran and see where it got us.

Always out when the going gets tough ;o)

He's not here to defend himself, so, good enough reason for me to get out of this blog.

Don't like Baha'i bashing, didn't like his blog about "British brothers" and commented on it, but still maintain that he has a lot to offer. 

Over n out.

Regarding Freethought111

In the past I defended his right to speech. At the same time I do not share his dislike of Bahai. However more recently we have been on different sides of arguments.

There are several things:

• Obviously he is not welcome on IC probably due to his history. Therefore if I were him I would just not bother with IC.
• I do not approve of the anti-Bahai positions. It also bothers me that every single argument gets turned into a Bahai bashing fest.
• The flowery language and references to intellectuals bother me. I rather get to the point. I don't care what some academic philosopher said. I want to get to real arguments with positions supported by facts. Not by names. 

When I see people act like they do in Britain that speaks for itself. No amount of academic rhetoric will excuse it. Theoretical ideas are of no use in real world. Most people rioting in Britain do not even know the theories he is talking about. That was the problem with people who glorified Shariati. He presented cooked up ideas; Khomeini real thing. Guess which one got the upper hand. Therefore I would suggest we keep to real fact not some academic ideas. 

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LOL! Truthseeker9 and Rea had interesting exchange! It cracked me up!

Thank you!

So lets give Khomeini some credit too

"When it comes to spirituality he has immense knowledge, and should be given credit for."

Once someone loses objectivity where humanity is concerned I give them NO credit.

Truthseeker

"Immortal" in the sense of always coming back, new user name, and hop.

When it comes to spirituality he has immense knowledge, and should be given credit for. I read some of his comments on Fatima and islam in general, really interesting.

Unfortunately, his Baha'i obsession got the worst of him.

Hope, made myself clear.

PS. when I first joined IC and objected to his Baha'i bashing, guess what he said to me, he,he.

"Nima is immortal"

He has plenty of sites on the internet where you can continue to admire him and get high on his rhetoric, so don't despair.

Yolanda

Good to see you you again.

اختر خانوم

astakhforellah! Stop pretending that your legs are better than mine.

loool

What a waste of time and typing. One n 1/2 sentence would've been just fine.

Nima is immortal. 

ببخشید من لنگ و پاچه‌ام بیرونه

اگه غلط نکنم، حاج آقا سلمان بعد از یه افطاری مفصل، خوابشون برده......خواهر، برادرا تشریف ببرن تا بعد از سحری فردا صبح.....

Salman

This is precisely why I am here. To change your incorrect perception of Islam. 

You do not change perceptions by words; it takes action. When we see IRI no words will change our perception. 

Responses

Hi,

You may know that as a rule I am not in favor of banning people. However there are some facts and questions:

• This is a private web site. That means it may have any rules it wants. The only people who have a say are the owner JJ and presumably the investors.
• What happens if someone is banned for good. They come back under a new name but do not violate any rules. But their identity is then revealed. Do they get banned because of their past actions or not? This is a question to admin.
• Why not make IC a pay system based on subscription. Say 20 $ a month via PayPal or credit card. Then as paying subscribers we may have more of a say. And JJ gets to have more of a financial base.

What do you think about these?

Jahanshah

Absolutely. I agree with you. I agree that I did my fair share of bashing and been bashed as well. I will also concede it is very testing to have a polite discourse especially when you feel the other person is being unreasonable but then again this is my problem which I have to overcome. 

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Wow! Time for prayers!

OMG! I am touched!

blogging on IC without food and H2O all day, must be hard!

Salman, you are talking completely out of context...

 when you compare attacks on Islam with attacks on bahai folks, and I'd be surprised if you dont know that. Nowhere on this planet muslims are stripped of their civil rights in their country of birth, barred fom higher education or  executed for being muslims.........

Again the person you refer to as your brother, followed the islamist regime's shamefull line of propaganda to the letter when inciting violence & hate against bahaiis. Of course He is not the only person who is following the islamist regime's line of policy on various topics such as nuclear policy, Israel, Jews, hizbullah/hamas/other terrorist entities, to  to the letter on this site. However in his case, he is very potentially  breaking the hate laws of the "kafir country" he has taken residence of. That is all I was saying and that is all I am prepared to say on this subject.

vasallam, naameh tamaam!

"Personal business must yield to collective interest."

Simorgh

The rules of conduct is clear. It is right above the comment box: "Comments containing profanity or personal attacks will be removed. Repeat offenders will be blocked."

It can't get any simpler than that.

We are supposed to be here to DISCUSS issues and express views, not to bash each other. No matter how outrageous someone else's views may be, we have to try our best to respond in a reasonable manner.

Thank you for understanding.

Thanks brothers and sisters. Time for prayers

 And to prepare for eftaar. 

See you all later.

Peace to all of you 

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Well brother Gorbeh!

This is precisely why I am here. To change your incorrect perception of Islam. 

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That is a great post, Simorgh5555! Thank you!

Welcome back!