Today`s Similarities, Yesterday`s Links

Zion's news source

I'm willing to bet Zion thinks Fox News is a credible source of news.

Hypocrisy?

Zion claims in his other blogs that there is no such thing as islamaphobia because islam is an idea and people have the right to disagree with it. Yet when people become xenophobic to jews he immediately plays the race card. Isn't judaisim an idea too?

Zion, Q did not say doctored

why don't you own up to this much? Anyone can verify.

Update - Similarities and Links part II

I have posted the links provided in the comments section in a new blog post:

//iranian.com/main/blog/zion/today-s-similari...

Thanks

Anonymousmm,
Thanks. I will put up a new post with the links in a short while.
The conference should be fun. All the nice guys coming together. I didn`t see the United Kingdom in the list. I wonder what other engagement is keeping Galloway from attending? :-)

Anonym7, I have already written about my views on the evangelicals. I do not personally approve of them, but there is no similarity between the two. It is the case of apples and oranges. They can`t even be compared with the Islamists.

Tehran University to Host

Tehran University to Host Int'l Conference on "Israel's End"

May 22, 2008
IRNA
Mathaba.net

Iranian Justice Seeking University Students Movement and University Students Mobilization Basij will jointly sponsor International Conference on Israel's End on May 26th, 2008.

According to public relations of the above mentioned Students Movement, the timing of the conference is adjusted to coincide with the sad 60th anniversary of Palestine's occupation by the Zionists.

The guests of the conference that would be attended by Iranian and foreign students of universities in Tehran will be intellectuals and university professors from Egypt, Venezuela, Morocco, Lebanon, Indonesia, the United States, Pakistan, Argentina, India, Iraq, Syria, Chile, Saudi Arabia, Algeria, France, Tunisia, and a number of other countries.

Supporting the Palestinian nation's righteous liberation movement and signs of the illegitimate Zionist regime's upcoming downfall are among the axes of the international conference.

//www.mathaba.net/rss/?x=592982

Dear Zion: I think Q's

Dear Zion: I think Q's distortions or creating doubts are meant for non-Persian speaking (American readers of this blog) audience because Iranians know full well the extent of IRI's anti-semitism and it's 24/7 promotion of hatred against the jews and Israelis. Therefore, it makes sense that Q persist to continue to mislead despite overwhelming evidence.

Zion: You're most welcome to use any link I have provided to create a blog. I don't have time to write a blog.

Dear Zion, how about doomsday guys

Zion, How about likes of Pastor Hagee, one of ultra right doomsday supporters of Israeli extremists. His church is actively promoting animosity between us as Middle easterners. As you may know this guy has been in bed with you guys for his doomsday promotion activities (but in fact he is a fascist) here is the link from haaretz.com.
//www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/986771.html
Even Mccain does not like him, any more!
Zion, some of you ill informed extremists are helping likes of Hagee against your own good....
Sure we do have some reactionary Muslim mollas but these guys are both reactionary and fascist.
BTW, my extremist friend Zion, this question is directly related to your topic and contemporary ... if you are hear to promote good you need to address this.

Zion you admit you can't find the evidence?

Why did I have a feeling you were going to dodge this one.

What does "I don't know if they are doctored" Mean? It was a response to a question that was posed: "Are you saying these are doctored"? No, I do not know this. If you had been right, my answer would be "YES," not "NO." This was also clear if you had bothered to read my other remarks.

I do not deny any antisemetisim that could occur on Middle Easter TV. Racism occurs on Israeli TV as it does on American TV and everywhere else. If I looked at a very small crossection of TV broadcast of any country, I could make up any argument supporting anything I want. Thinking people, however, naturally ask if the presenting organization is being fair in their coverage. The answer according to many many thinking people for MEMRI is a resounding NO. So, it's not about denying one video or saying for-sure it is a lie. It's about the overall product which is a known propaganda operation.

and

Asghar agha: I did not deny any clip or video. I only point to facts and distortions of the MEMRI organization.

My point was that MEMRI is biased in its coverage. There is ample proof that I did not consider any video "doctored".

You, however, claimed clearly that I said MEMRI videos were doctored. Where is the evidence for this claim? Where did I say this? Why don't you show everyone so that it can be proven that I'm a liar. Where IS IT?

Prediction: you will neither find it, nor will you be human enough to apologize, the same thing you insisted of me. But alas, since it is yourself, you don't need to do it.

It has just been proven that you are a liar and a hypocrite. You do not hold yourself to the same standards as others, and falsely accuse people on top of that. There is no arguing this now.

You like to pretend this is now a "non issue", well, I can't blame you. If I was this dishonest and I got caught, I, too would want to move on as fast as possible lest others discover that I have been lying the whole time.

Sequel

Dear AnonymousHAHA and Anonymousmm,

It would be great if you posted your videos as a separate blog or article sequel to this one, so others would know of them and benefit from them as well.

Q, here are your own words:
I don't know if any of these particular videos are doctored, I did not waste time watching them. I did not deny that they could be antisemetic or complete frauds. But I do not trust the source that digitized them and made them available ...

You are a non-issue now, Q. I won`t waste my time to argue with you. Go get a life.

wow, you REALLY don't read do you?

Provide the basis of your own claim first. Provide the evidence! It should be simple as you say my writing too is right here for everyone to read. Show me where I said that I think any videos are doctored? or apologize for being a liar!

I have no choice but to repeat my last post word for word:

by Q on Tue May 27, 2008 01:18 AM CDT

in some lame attempt at insulting the readers as if they are so stupid to take your word for things. Like they can't go down and read my posts for themselves.

Your distortions won't work anymore, you have lost credibility.

First you give evidence of your own claims and then we can begin a real discussion. (Note to editors, I am only repeating Zion's own foul language to make a point.)

First item: You said that I claim one of your videos was doctored: please provide the evidence or cut the crap, apologize for being a liar and the mouthpiece of other shameless liars, and then beat it.

I hope it now becomes crystal clear what I mean when I call you a liar and a serial exaggerator, as well as someone who has publically admitted she supports war on Iran.

For the mouth of deceit have they opened...

Q, don`t embarrass yourself so much. Learn where to stop.
My comment is here for everyone to read. I challenged you very specifically to provide evidence that MEMRI videos are doctored. I did not mention the videos I have posted. So here it is again. Provide videos and original footage that proves any MEMRI video is inauthentic or doctored,
or
apologize for being a liar, and then beat it.

Zion, I know you purposefully ignore what I write,

in some lame attempt at insulting the readers as if they are so stupid to take your word for things. Like they can't go down and read my posts for themselves.

Your distortions won't work anymore, you have lost credibility.

First you give evidence of your own claims and then we can begin a real discussion. (Note to editors, I am only repeating Zion's own foul language to make a point.)

First item: You said that I claim one of your videos was doctored: please provide the evidence or cut the crap, apologize for being a liar and the mouthpiece of other shameless liars, and then beat it.

I hope it now becomes crystal clear what I mean when I call you a liar and a serial exaggerator, as well as someone who has publically admitted she supports war on Iran.

Cut it buddy!

Q, it is simple. you claim MEMRI is not reliable. Give evidence.
Not some lame set of published claims of someone else. Here are real videos that people can see. Give us links to doctored videos by MEMERI and the evidence to prove it is actually doctored, that is the actual original footage. I know you can`t, you know you can`t. Almost everyone else can see it too. Now we will make it official.:

Here is the situation:
Either provide the videos
or
cut the crap, apologize for being a liar and the mouthpiece of other shameless liars, and then beat it.

Asghar, you have lost completely

forget your "argument" it's a broken record that was a disaster in the charts. You refuse to actually read what I write anymore, so I don't see how this could continue.

Your are making a lot of personal attacks using foul language. I hope you know things like that usually get erased on this site.

Yes, I did suggest that some people here are trying to justify attacking Iran and you have once again proved me right:

so you may understand why someone like zion would be OK with an attack

It is NOT "OK" TO ATTACK IRAN, I don't care who wants it and what they have suffered. Just like it is not OK for Iran to attack Israel.

I'm really sorry, but I can not compromise on this position, no matter how many of you attack me. Sorry, it just won't happen.

Asghar, you have decided that watching a video is enough to "understand" why someone wants to bomb my family. I, however, must disagree: Take it or leave it.

Any person with an ounce of humanity knows that attacking a sovereign nation and killing thousands of civilians is wrong and I really hate to embarass you again -- this moral question does NOT depend on any "video".

If you don't get this point (and make no mistake, you have proven that you can't), we really have nothing to talk about. Our respective positions are clear, as is some people's desire to justify an attack on Iran... a desire they share with MEMRI.

END OF STORY.

No Q - you are wrong

And just pathetic. You, who are so educated, is trying to fool us. I asked you to just look at the farsi content that is there. Not the Analysis. You, and the rest of the Finklekhars in the world, may have their issues with the analysis of MEMRI. I did not care about the analysis (or "propaganda") of MEMRI and I don't need your help. No body ordered you to do anything. I asked you to take an honest look at what your favorite IRI thugs are doing and saying on a daily basis so you may understand why someone like zion would be OK with an attack on the IRI.

You come up with a lame excuse:

"If I looked at a very small crossection of TV broadcast of any country,
I could make up any argument supporting anything I want.

Q, you already do that here by making any stupid argumet you want and refusing to admit to the shortcomings in your arguments or refusing to face the truth. Moreover, what you are claiming here is complete bullshit; and please do not compare Israeli media to IRI garbage. The second an idiotic Israeli figure says something racist in Israeli media, its all over Haaretz. Go read writers like Amira Hass who lives amogst the Arabs and does her reporting from the territories. Are there any Amira Hass's in the IRI? In your twisted mind there is some sort of Moral equivalency between Israel & the IRI.

Again, no one ordered you to do anything. Since you are such a great analyzer, I asked you to just go and analyze the content. I am sure you have seen it and you do not want to face the turth or argue it here because the truth hurts and you would be forced to admit to what is going on in the IRI. Finally, and respectfully, with your shity attitude and analysis, you are more of a bazandeh than an antisemite I have to say.

Now go invent some more none sense about how great the IRI is and why the world is not justified in confronting it.

Anonym7

I totally (100% or more) agree with you that the dialogue must go on. I rather die than promote or advocate war against my own land where my blood flows and  my closest family lives. But, you have to be a realist and see things the way they are without prejudice and with open mind.

In my humble opinion, the current ruling government in Iran is anti-semitic and reckless and could lead a pure and peaceful nation to the verge of destruction and calamity.

I am having the hardest time of my life to understand what is it of Iran’s business to develop nuclear weapon to destroy Israel. To be honest with you (again IMHO) I don’t believe that IRI wants Nuke only for electric power.  

May we all live in peace

sorry Zionists, you have to try harder, came up short this time

I heard once that Israelis are so brave they are used to 1:3 odds against them. This apparently is the exact opposite when physical force is not invovled. How typical!

I do not deny any antisemetisim that could occur on Middle Easter TV. Racism occurs on Israeli TV as it does on American TV and everywhere else. If I looked at a very small crossection of TV broadcast of any country, I could make up any argument supporting anything I want. Thinking people, however, naturally ask if the presenting organization is being fair in their coverage. The answer according to many many thinking people for MEMRI is a resounding NO. So, it's not about denying one video or saying for-sure it is a lie. It's about the overall product which is a known propaganda operation. (see my previous posts)

The 3-4 of you on this site who have are really pissed off at me, either don't understand or purposefully ignore this, which is my main argument about MEMRI.

You would rather fall "tooti-vari" into the "natural mode" of accusing your opponent of antisemetism or "destroying Israel" or whatever else. Well, you will only waste your own time.

I hope others who are reading at least get this much out of this stupid blog.

I have dealt with MEMRI for a long time and have seen enough to know what they are about. I also don't respond to orders so respectfully: shove it, I don't have time to waste on propaganda. I know, I know... it's hard not to be able to control people by force.

I left a comment with a number of very legitimate questions about MEMRI, which not one of you has been able to answer.

Things like: Why would I trust a site run by specific neocons and zionists who are openly wanting to bomb my country?

Why doesn't this supposedly fair "Middle East Media" site do any translation of the Israeli media?

Why is it that that only sources that support your opinions are valid and not other sources?

MEMRi is just a convenient site to get these clips

Asghar, you are -- of course -- wrong. I have given you plenty of reasons why this isn't just a "convinient site." But if you don't understand them by now, I can't help you.

But I tried!

Now run along and invent other ways of calling me antisemetic.

dialog must go on (to Bijanam)

Bijanam says: "He is not Iranian, but I am. In spite of all you “progressive” Muslims who try to sound politically correct by separating Jews from Zionism, I have lived the experience and know the hatred for Jews amongst religious Muslims is real."

Bijanam, I agree with you to some extent. At least when I was living in Iran I saw some level of antisemitism (last few years of my life in Iran I worked for a Jewish owned company in my hometown). That (some antisemitism in Iranians) is a problem and for our part we must continue our dialogs,.... and in several exchanges I have had with Zion I have thanked him and encouraged him to post here and not get frustrated . Having said that when he goes to extreme and advocate "limited war" against Iran ...., I see it necessary to correct him, (like many other Iranians {a non-Muslim in my case}).

Anonymous-Today

You sound like (at least on the surface) to be fair and speaking relevant to the topic of this blog. What I can’t clearly get from your post is that, do you believe IRI clerics are anti-semitic or not? And do you agree that the extremist doctrine of IRI has potential for destruction of many lives?
In my view the issue is not who committed the Holocaust in the past, but rather who is about to lead us to another catastrophe of unimaginable proportion?

Q- Stop the Crap

This has nothing to do with the Source. The Source is IRI TV. The source is not Zionist. The translation is Zionist. We do not need to rely on the "Zionist" translation since we both speak Farsi. Why don't you be brave enough and go watch the clips. I did not dodge your question. You know the answer to your question and I am in agreement with you on that.

Again - GO WATCH THE CLIPS and stop commenting and lecturing us. After you go and honestly watch the Clips, please come and lecture us if you can. Until then, please stop fooling yourself and trying to fool others.

Pehaps, you do not want to watch them because after you will, you will realize that the ZIONISTS have a legitimate concern about the IRI.

Selective and misrepresenting

Yes, the Mufti of Jerusalem did admire Hitler, as did Reza Khan, as did Winston Churchill at one point. The Jews were caught in the middle and used as political bargaining tool. The Mufti did it because Zionist settlements were drowning the Arabs. The war against the Arabs was won by the Jews in the 1930's. Read Shlomo ben Ami's book Scars of War, Wounds of Peace. Ethnic cleansing against the Arabs started in the late 30's and into the war years. The Mufti was desperate as many others were at the time and chose alliances accordingly. Stalin had a pact with Hitler, even though we all know Hitler was hell bent on destroying USSR. Anybody knows about Eichmann’s planned trip to Jerusalem to negotiate with the leading Zionist leaders about moving European Jews there? Quebec nationalists were suddenly pro Germany because they hated the British. Irish nationalists flirted with Germany for the same reason. To isolate this and make a bee line about Islamo-fascism and quote some moron ex-POL guy who probably is a Mousad agent now, is pure demagoguery. Sure anti-Semitic sentiments have contaminated Palestinian struggle. One has to be blind to deny that. Most of that rhetoric is borrowed from European anit-Semitism. Islamic tradition by and large has not been anti-Semitic. Just ask Sephardic Jews. The Jews lived by and large unhindered in Islamic countries through out the centuries prior to the conflict in Palestine. The ship of mercy was sent by Ottoman Sultan to help the Jews when Isabel and Ferdinand swept the Moors out of Spain and were going to hurt the Jews. The rubbish by extremists calling Jews pigs and monkeys has to be confronted (and I agree with Q that some of these stuff is probably planted by Isreali intelligence) both among the Shia and the Sunis. But none of this should be used in the manner that our friend Zion likes to use it. Remember, Zion, it was the Europeans Christians who committed the holocaust NOT the Muslims.

Q - WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU?

Did you watch a single video before you went on your standard anti Israeli diatribe? As the people have said below, go watch the clips. The main source is the IRI TV.
Imagine if MEMRI was Youtube. MEMRI just translates the Clips so the entire world can see what we are dealing with.

You (and the rest of the fringe left) could have your issues with MEMRI's Analysis but the clips are non doctored clips and speak for themselves.

This is the true face of the IRI which the West has an issue with. Wake up and stop the denial.

I see Asghar, you have just outed yourself

so it's OK for you to not trust something based on it's source, like "Finkelkhar" or whatever, but when the source is Zionist, it's not OK to question it?

I don't know if any of these particular videos are doctored, I did not waste time watching them. I did not deny that they could be antisemetic or complete frauds. But I do not trust the source that digitized them and made them available for the clear and objective reasons that I have stated below. Reasons that you really can't argue with because they are facts.

I asked you a straight forward question about IRI sources which you have dodged.

I have no choice but to conclude that in your mind pro-Zionist sources that you agree with are "objective" but other sources are automatically biased. Why do you even bother watching these clips about Iran since you have already made up your mind ahead of time?

Q................

You did not point to a single distortion in the video clips. You just gave us some analysis by 3rd parties in generalities that the MEMRI website is run by the Mossad. Again, Q, did you see any distortions in the videos of what THESE IRI THUGS are stating? Don't dig yourself into a bigger hole than you have already dug. Be hoest! This has nothing to do with the IRI showing Israeli clips. Forget the MEMRI translations. These are clips from IRI TV which you understand without the need for interpretation. KHODETAH KHAR NAKOON.

ARE THE CLIPS ANTI SEMETIC OR NO (WITHOUT REGARD TO THE FACT THAT THEY HAVE THE MEMRI LOGO ON THEM)?

MEMRi is just a convenient site to get these clips. Are you saying that the clips are doctored?

Very simple Q. Very simple. We do no't need to know what Norman Finkelkhar says. We know where he comes from. The question is if you can admit to the truth or are you always engaged in idle arguing for the sake of arguing.

Zion: really, you defend unfounded slander?

Really Zion? That speaks volumes about you.

You have just justified the most vile antisemetism as "speaking your mind here". If I was nearly as hypocritical and one-sided as you proved to be, I would be justified in defending antisemetism on the same grounds.

But I happen to think hate-speech and racism like that is beneath the dignity of this site and free people everywhere. You should be truly ashamed that you don't agree.

Asghar agha: I did not deny any clip or video. I only point to facts and distortions of the MEMRI organization. Let me make it simple for you. If IRI was running a TV program showing Israeli clips, would you trust it? Wouldn't you say IRI has a motive and an agenda for showing these? Why are you making an exception for a groups whose members of are pro bombing of Iran?

Unless you are ready to trust any clip shown on IRI TV, as "a truthful representation of Israel" than, you have no business denying the truths that I have spoken. Don't be a hypocrite like Zion. Hold everyone to the same standard.

Q NEEDS INTERVENTION

Just like an addict who can not admit to their addictions and
hurts their loved ones in the process, Q ignores the MEMRI clips and
is in denial attempting to make an excuse and hurting his hamvatans
in the process. Q, azizam, hamvatanam, look at the videos, they are
from IRI TV, they are all members of the IRI talking. What are you
talking about? These are your fellow IRI thugs speaking in Farsi
talking Anti Semitic crap. GET INTERVENTION DUDE!

Q, regardless of who runs MEMRI, the truth is the Truth. These
video clips are from IRI TV. Do you have an issue with the
translations? If so analyze them and tell us that the translations
are inaccurate and prove to us that this is zionist propaganda.

I don't see any inaccuracies in the translations. AND FARSI IS FARSI UNLESS THE FARSI YOU SPEAK IS DIFFEENT THAN THE FARSI I SPEAK. You have gone
really low this time Q. Khak bar sareh hamemon ba in IRI thugs and their supporters like the likes of Q. People like Q are the reason for IRI's existense.

Some More Responses

Thanks Anonymousmm for your comment and the very interesting links you provided.

AnonymousHAHA, thanks for the great Memri videos that nails the argument.

I appreciate that both of you guys.

Dear Bijanam, I am grateful that you speak out about your personal experiences here. I know it must be painful, and I truly appreciate it.

Thanks Anonymous23 for speaking your mind here.

Memri is run by a retired intelligence official. But even if it was run by the Mossad, by the Illuminati, by the Martians... is irrelevant. The videos speak for themselves. Q you are truly pathetic.

And finally to all you remnants of the Mufti`s gang ;-) I am glad to see that exposing the truth keeps consistently striking you where it really hurts. Keep up teh whining. Every single one of your wailings adds to the authenticity of the premise of this blog.

bijanam, read the sources, these are not my words

I guess playing the victim is how you plan to hide the fact that MEMRI is run by Israeli intelligence. Well, the facts are facts.

Sorry, if it hurts you when I say them. By the way, whatever happened to your own "intelligent" arguments involving "balls" ?

Here's another analysis that you should be ashamed of:

Messaoud Saidani of Coventry University says that although MEMRI presents itself as Middle East Research Institute it does hardly translate any controversial articles that appear in the Israeli audio-visual media. It concerns itself with Arabic, Farsi and Turkish translations.... but not Hebrew translations although most of its members are in fact Jewish. Not only that, but MEMRI selects bad apples from the Muslim world and blows them out of proportion to give a distorted impression of the Muslim and Arab worlds. Also, it claims to be a non-political non-partisan organisation, BUT almost all its founders had served in the IDF and the intelligence services. When Israel's deputy Defence Minister Matan Vilnai said Palestinians risked a "shoah" (Holocaust) MEMRI did not bother to inform its readership and translate the statement made to Israel's army radio, "[18].

Can you explain why a supposedly "non-political" and "non-profit" organization that claims to "reflect" the "Middle Eastern press" does absolutely no reports from Israeli media?

What's the matter? Why not do the Israeli agencies too? I know it's definitly not that no one there speaks Hebrew, they are almost all Israeli. They gladly translate the Arab/Iranian media pieces but refuse to cover the Israeli media.

And speaking of cowardly shame:

Editors: please remove the unfounded slander by Anonymous23.

Q, are you out of your mind?

What are you trying to say? All those clips are prepared by Mousad as psychological war techniques? All those in the interviews or mosques, or… were Israeli agents?

I had given a little more credit to your intellect than you deserve. I never thought you bring yourself to such lows, just to discredit anything against IRI. When it becomes so vividly clear that IRI is anti-semitic, you resort to conspiracy theory to discredit the evidence.

This time really shame on you