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Mojgan,Appreciate the

Mojgan,Appreciate the personal attacks. Just to clarify, it is comical that some Iranians resort to a few propoganda websites to assert their argument. You have to look at the cost benefit analysis of the issue. What would be the benefit or losses of an action? The U.S role in the coup was merely as a counsaltant to the Shah. The U.S did approve of the coup, just as numerous other countries did, however, the people that planned, arranged and executed the coup were the monarchist with the support of millions of Iranians who went to the streets and overthrwo the mosaddegh government. Just like the people revolution in 1979. That doesnt mean they made the eight decision, it just means it was THEM who made the decision.And politically speaking, why are we , Iranians, always feel that we are victims and other government can so easily manipulate our destiny? Don't we say we are the greatest, smartest, most beautiful people and the perfect reflection of a human being? How come we are always victims? How come the CIA (For the sake of the argument), does not have control over the destiny of other people? And if the CIA does, first we need to admit that it does, second, as an Iranian, I like to learn their ways so my country would be as great as the U.S. So my country would have such legendary and infinite power to rule the planet. I think this is a common sense issue.

Q, if it wasn't for the

Q, if it wasn't for the violence inflamed by the Islamic parties in Iraq, and because the U.S does not want to leave the seen to Iran, the U.S army would've left Iraq a long time ago. Second, the U.S government and Congress are engaged in debate and legislation for Universla healthcare and things like that, Please refer to the congressional activity lately, specially since the takeover of the Democrats. Not to mention that the U.S has the best medical and educationla system in the world according to publicly available statistic. Third, U.S foreign aid is not a "joke". We Iranians have a tendency to not look at the big picture.Do you have any idea how many countries (Such as Jordan, with one of the most bigest anti-U.S population), rely on these aids to run their country? Fund educational, health, development and commercial programs? Do you know how many millions of peopl around the world get direct financial assistance out of these aids? Do you know how many road, hospitals, school, ....are built because of these aids?

Jahanshah Javid, Hezbollah in Disguise!

Jahanshah Javid, Hezbollah in Disguise!
Hezbollah's Front Businesses in America!
Part one
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part two
//iranpoliticsclub.net/politics/shiite-season...

the IRI library is useless, mostly quran and nahjolbalaghe

every iri agent knows this. that's why we have to use public library or college library. too much money going to palestine, not enough to iri library for agents. Jamshid, please send your valuable feedback to khamenei.ir. thanks!!!

Re: Mojgan aka Soghraa

You are an idiot. You puke a bunch of none sense using the vast library of garbage propoganda that IRI has provided to you.

You then just copy and paste from your "IRI library", one crap after another.

Sogghra, just keep on decaying and decomposoing. Your time has gone long ago.

Farhad Kashani

" The only party that got rid of Mossadegh was the Iranian monarchists. Go grab a history book. Who had good ties with the Monarchist regime absolutely matters not ! If the U.S army personnel was involved in the coup, if U.S army weapons were involved in the coup, if the U.S army attacked Iranian soil, if the U.S openly went to the Iranian public and made public statements regarding the coup at that time, then the U.S is involved. Otherwise, it was not"

Mojgan : LOL . Thanks , I needed a good laugh .So US was not involved ? When are you coming out with your new book about your version of 1953 events ?

Farhad : Every Afghan will tell you they’re problems started with the occupation by USSR in 1979.

Mojgan : Those Afghans must have been reading the same history books as you do !

//www.counterpunch.org/pilgercold.html

Brzezinski not long ago revealed that on July 3, 1979, unknown to the American public and Congress, President Jimmy Carter secretly authorised $500 million to create an international terrorist movement that would spread Islamic fundamentalism in Central Asia and "destabilise" the Soviet Union.

The CIA called this Operation Cyclone and in the following years poured $4billion into setting up Islamic training schools in Pakistan (Taliban means "student").

Young zealots were sent to the CIA's spy training camp in Virginia, where future members of al-Qaeda were taught "sabotage skills"--terrorism.

Others were recruited at an Islamic school in Brooklyn, New York, within sight of the fated Twin Towers.

In Pakistan, they were directed by British MI6 officers and trained by the SAS.

The result, quipped Brzezinski, was "a few stirred up Muslims"--meaning the Taliban.

At *******that time, the late 1970s, the American goal was to overthrow Afghanistan's first progressive, secular government, which had granted equal rights to women, established health care and literacy programmes and set out to break feudalism.*****

When the Taliban seized power in 1996, they hanged the former president from a lamp-post in Kabul.

His body was still a public spectacle when Clinton administration officials and oil company executives were entertaining Taliban leaders in Washington and Houston, Texas.

The Wall Street Journal declared: "The Taliban are the players most capable of achieving peace. Moreover, they were crucial to secure the country as a prime trans-shipment route for the export of Central Asia's vast oil, gas and other natural resources."

Farhad,

Over 70% of Americans are against the war in Iraq, and don't want anothe war with Iran, yet the government refuses to bring back the troops and wants to go to another war. Vast majority of people are for Universal health care, better child support, college financing and less corporate welfare. US is not doing any of these things.

Therefore, your first argument fails on its merrits. US Government is not serving the interest of it's people. It is serving the interest of a very small number of powerful people.

Second, foreign aid is a joke, and it always has been. The Soviet Union gave lots of foreign aid, as does China now. Does that mean, these regimes are peaceful and want what's best for the 3rd world? Of course not. Foreign aid serves several purposes, the two most important being: political influence and corporate welfare.

The vast majority of foreign aid is for military (security) assistence with a second, smaller category for humanitarian assistance. Both kinds of assistence are earmarked for purchases from US firms. What does this mean? It means the money just comes back to the corporations. It means, the US tax payers just gave huge corporate subsidies for companies that have lobbied US law makers. Follow, the money, it comes back to US corporations, it doesn't stay in the 3rd world. Only debt and poverty stays in the 3rd world.

This is exactly why this kind of "aid" is being rejected in Latin America where after decades of "help", only huge public debt and financial mismanagement remained.

To be fair, the US does a much smaller amount of emergency assistence, such as tsunami and others. That's to be commended, as it is excellent policy for all industrialized countries to help the poor nations. But compared to how much $ US has, it gives much much less than 20 or 30 European nations. Even in absolute terms, it's not first, Japan gives more every year. A much higher percentage of Japan's income goes to aid, than US. This only shows that US, while somewhat helpful, is not primarily interested in assistance to save lives. It is more interested for strategic reasons like I explained above.

Good question though.

Jamshid, right on the money,

Jamshid, right on the money, It's all like you said "OGHDEH". They're system failed miserably and was defeated by the liberal system of globalization initiated by the U.S. More and more and more countires are adopting globaliztion for the benefit of their own people, not to satisfy U.S or anyone else, but to satisfy their people.look at China for god sake, one out of tens of examples..and these backward OGHDEis want to take us back to the Stone age.

Q, the primary responsiblity

Q, the primary responsiblity of any government is to serve the interest of itws own people first, then others. U.S is not an exception, I think IRI is the exception to the rule. Plus, please refer to numerous available statitisc to show how U.S help goes to theird world countries. Just one example out of many, U.S is the biggest donor of humanitarian assistance to thrid world countries, that's not even includeind NGOs or civil soceity or technological, nedical,...ect assistance. Look at the list of U.S foreign donations, and count how many countries are from thirld world.

To: "Q" - You may be interested in listening to this video

Dear Q:

It is very interesting to listen to this video and read the full transcript.

U.S. Foreign Policy Towards Iran:

Are assumptions about Iran wrong?

"Suppose it was true that Iran is helping insurgents in Iraq. I mean, wasn’t the United States helping insurgents when the Russians invaded Afghanistan? Did we think there was anything wrong with that? I mean, Iraq's a country that was invaded and is under military occupation. You can't have a serious discussion about whether someone else is interfering in it. The basic assumption underlying the discussion is that we own the world."

//www.informationclearinghouse.info/article18...

Re: Arezu

I exposed your fallacies and you did not even bother to respond. You made it easy for yourself to dodge your exposure by resorting to more labeling. How cheap!

When you fail to give a good answer, you resort to "recommending" more "readings on history". In your ignorance, you failed to realize that the more reading people do, the more they realize the flaws and falsehoods of your arguments.

Then you talk about "formal forum when surrounded by scholars, academicians, historians, nuclear experts, politicians and other professional experts". So what are you trying to suggest? That you are oh so intellectually chic? What a laugh Arezu... What a good laugh.

You then say that whatever one may say that may oppose your view is the same than what the neocons, zionists and so on are saying. How convenient for you! Well, I have bad news for you. Every thing you say is exaclty what the IRI is saying. So does that make you a hard core IRI Islamist? You are EXPOSED Arezu.

You Arezu have a total disregard to the pain and misery of your own people. I am ashamed to call you an Iranian. You are pursuing your bankrupt ideology at the cost of selling out your own people. Why should Iranians be brutalized by the IRI and possibly be bombed by the US too? So that your "oghdeh" against imperialism and zionism could be relieved? So that your inferiority complex could be relieved? And who pays for your satisfying "relief"? The people of Iran, that's who. They pay for you by getting imprisoned, tortured, raped and hanged, and possibly soon be bombed to death, all these so that "Arezu's" oghdeh could be relieved.

And this makes you a traitor, to the bones...

Farhad, I know something else...

I know a few other things that don't distinguish between Iran and IRI: Bombs, rockets, chemical weapons, nukes and American politicians.

The only reason to trust the US military is if you have a psychological complex that leads you to believe they have superior morals and love for 3rd world people, against all evidence to the contrary.

Please. You and your friends need to snap out of it. Bush doesn't care about what kind of "regime" is in place in Iran. Just look at Egypt and Saudi Arabia. US could gladly make a deal with Rafsanjani and work to keep Mullahs in power. They just want someone who follows orders, not someone who is democratic. The way Iraq and Afghanistan has gone, they won't even pretend they want "democracy" in Iran after their invasion. They'll just stick in someone like Rajavi who can sign the oil contracts.

For the sake of argument, let us assume that the misguided American "regime change policy" is actually good for Iranians. There are no troops to attack Iran with! Do you think regime change is possible by airstrikes? Do you really think IRI will collapse without Tehran being occupied for at least a decade of bloody civil war and misery? What the hell will they do with 25Million hezbollahi conservatives, pasdars and basijis? Do you think these people will just go away after a 4 day bombing campaign?

You are dreaming. Bush could prove his "manhood" and symbolically "spank" the Mullahs for disobeying the superpower. But no regime change in Tehran can occur from airstrikes. Therefore, this entire charade will only make things worst. You think Iran is bad now, wait till it becomes North Korea.

Arezu, the problem with all

Arezu, the problem with all of your arguments is that you are looking at issues at hand through ideological lenses. Your hatred for U.S blinded you from taking a close look at the big picture, analyzing what has been happening in Iran for the last 30 years, and most importantly, which is the biggest flaw in your arguments, to tie events together. This is a common mistake many Iranians do, mostly the ones who do not distinguish between Iran and IRI and take an emotional approach to politics, and frankly, cannot tolerate the success’ that a rival ideology (West and Capitalism) has achieved.
1- It’s very common for many leftist Iranians these days to label anyone who discredit their arguments with marks such as neo-con, old con, Bushies and things like that. That in itself, immediately, strips any validity and maturity from your argument. You are claiming that I would need to read more to look good in front of scholars. As you are well aware of, titles such as political scientists, expert, scholar and things like that does not automatically in any way shape or form, makes anyone more knowledgeable or a better analyzer of the world evens or realities. For example, you guys bash many politicians, experts and analyzers with a right wing ideology even though some of them may hold highest academic degrees, many of them worked in government for years, held offices for decades or are so called experts. Or for example, many leftist “scholars” in Iran who now after 30 years of revolutionary government, acknowledge their mistake of following the path of leftism. People such as Akbar Gangi, Abbas Abdi, and numerous others. These people hold a speech every week and are viewed as “political experts” , get my point? So I can easily engage in name calling just like you, and start calling you a lunatic leftist who listen to communist propaganda and things like that, but that is not the approach we take in politics. That’s why as history have shown clearly at the end of the day, your ideology simply didn’t survive, but ours did.
2- U.S presence was at its ever highest level before the Iraq invasion. It did not need to “strengthen” its position in the area by staging a full scale war like that. The U.S had bases in every single Middle Eastern country prior to Iraq invasion with the exception of Iraq, Iran and Syria. So why engage in such a risky campaign? This is a cost-benefit analysis issue. The reasons you mentioned in your argument about the intentions of U.S going into Iraq simply does not correlate with the facts we see on the ground now. That is obvious.
3- The 1 million Iraqis that died are a result of a religious struggle that although was not present on the surface in the country before the invasion, but the reality is because of Saddam’s divisive policies, and the rise of religious forces in the region, this could easily happen in any country in the middle east that religious forces have taken strength, if the issue is brought to surface like it did after the U.S interference. And just like I told you before, by teeing events together, which you simply amazingly care not to do, this issue goes back to the rise of Islamic fundamentalism in the whole region since the creation of the fanatic government in Iran in 1979. Please look at Palestine and Lebanon and Yemen and Algeria (in the 90s) and Egypt (In the 90s) where civil wars erupted. Remember what I said about states-within-states?
4- Unlike you, me and most Iranians who have seen the evil of the IRI regime, and seen that it is 100% Iranian made, and is a result of historical trends and realities in Iran, our obligation is to stand up to the IRI with all our power. We simply fault the IRI for everything that happened to us because we believe in our ability to make a difference. We saw Iranians marching into streets in 1979 in millions. We also saw the same millions of people 35 years before that marching to get Shah back to power. That leads us to conclude that it is us, not Norman Podhertz, or Richard Perle, or even Noam Chumsky, who make the difference. We analyze the roots of the problem, not the surface. To us faulting CIA or any other parties for problems that we carry with us for centuries is just a joke. We like to compare our country with others in our situation. For the sake of your argument, how about countries with huge oil reserves such as Nigeria or Venezuela. Although both had and have turmoil, but their problems are not similar to ours, why is that you think? Because each country has its own unique characteristics, history and culture. Just to say Iraq is going though what its going through now or what happened in Iran is because of oil, is simply not true. Both Iran an Iraq have been the center of conflicts and wars for centuries before the foundation of the U.S and the discovery of oil, so how does it make sense to fault the U.S for that?
5- Regime change in Iran is a must for the sake of not only the Iranian people, who overwhelmingly are for it, but because for the sake of the world peace. As I said before, there are many countries right now that live under tyranny and brutal dictatorships such as Myanmar and Zimbabwe, but their threat does not go beyond their borders. As a result, they’re not on the top of the list of priorities of the world community to be dealt with. As I said, it is only out of selfishness to expect other countries who worked so hard to get to where they at now to sit back and watch the IRI threatening their achievements and values they cherish so much.

Arezou, no one has ever made

Arezou, no one has ever made so many ideological and incorrect statements such as you on this site. Clarify the following:
1-You said:” including some of the most extremist, and fanatical Islamic regimes far surpassing IRI. “I dare you to name me one. Just One!
2-The only party that got rid of Mossadegh was the Iranian monarchists. Go grab a history book. Who had good ties with the Monarchist regime absolutely matters not ! If the U.S army personnel was involved in the coup, if U.S army weapons were involved in the coup, if the U.S army attacked Iranian soil, if the U.S openly went to the Iranian public and made public statements regarding the coup at that time, then the U.S is involved. Otherwise, it was not. Furthermore, define what do you mean that the U.S “put” Shah in power? How did they “put” him? Are you saying that Shah did not have the support of the majority of the people of Iran at that time who didn’t know any other form of government since the creation of the country somewhere around 25 centuries ago? Who themselves and parents and grandparents and so on…..knew nothing about politics other than Shah, Khan, ,,,,?
3- Let’s talk about U.S and compare it to your ideal form of government, USSR. Your accusations about U.S are false and ideologically driven. Let’s talk facts, you believe in them right?
USSR: Committed documented physical genocides in Georgia, Armenia, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Uzbekistan, Ukraine, Belarus, Estonia, Turkmenistan, Siberia, Moldavia, Azerbaijan and Afghanistan (Every Afghan will tell you they’re problems started with the occupation by USSR in 1979). Committed cultural genocide (Including forced people of the above mentioned countries to pick Russian last names, banned religious freedom, banned non-Russian languages from official government documents….) in the above mentioned countries, plus, Eastern European countries. Directly occupied the land of above mentioned countries plus Eastern Europe. Applied inhumane, backward, impractical and regressive laws to people of Russia, above mentioned republics, Cuba, North Korea, China, Cambodia, which as a result, millions were executed, jailed, sent to forced labor and “re-education” camps, and when it fell, left those countries in ruins and shackles. (Please go to Ukraine if you get a chance and see girls as young as 13 y/o involved in prostitution.). You are well aware that I can go on for days.
U.S: Inspired freedom movements around the world, like France did, by its independence revolution. Directly and indirectly inspired and assisted democratic movements around the world through financial assistance, setting the role model, circulation of information through Internet, free media and other means…, directly helped and freed millions of citizens of these countries from the forces of Nazism, Fascism and Communism: France, England, Holland, Denmark, Norway, Germany, Italy, Austria, many Eastern European countries, many Northern Africa countries, Japan, South Korea, Iraq and Afghanistan,,,just to name a few. With regards to our homeland, freed Azerbaijan province from Soviet rule. Biggest donor of aid to third world countries. Through financial investment, helped millions of people around the world, most notably in India and China, to get out of poverty and achieve a better quality of life. (Please refer to any economic statistic). Biggest supporter of NGOs around the world. Pioneer in technology which made human life easier beyond imagination. Most importantly, it has introduced the self liberation culture for the people of the world, liberation of inhumane traditions and practices. One of the pioneers of women liberation movement. Again, you know I can go on for days. I understand you are resenting America because it defeated the evil ideology that you stand up for, and you will carry this resentment for ever, just like any other leftist, but truth and facts and numbers will never lie

To: Mr. Kashini and Jamshid

I am responding to Mr. Kashani, but Jamshid you may like to open your ears and eyes, and read carefully as well. Regardless of all the b.s. you wrote about "fallacy" etc. Jamshid is purely doing his usual job of trying to break an argument, and he doesn't even do that well.

My comment is more towards Mr. Kashani's comment:

You definitely went through the laborious exercise to prove your case. I commend you for that, regardless of the fact that your arguments are full of inaccuracies and false recount of historical events as well as my statements. It also demonstrates your lack of knowledge about international agreements and the various parties’ rights and obligations, under such agreements. I will let it remain at that.
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However, for your own good I would recommend that you really do read history and get more informed before you make the same remarks in a more formal forum when surrounded by scholars, academicians, historians, nuclear experts, politicians and other professional experts.

As for the relevance or irrelevance of the IAEA I will state that you are in no position to provide a qualitative assessment of this organization and their expertise in the area of nuclear energy.

Your comments parroted the same statements coming out of CNN/FOX news, and other neocon, and Zionist propaganda literature and discussion materials. They are exactly the same statements made by individuals such as the hardcore neocon/Zionist John Bolton, Podhoretz, the Israeli government, when they have an agenda that goes against what the IAEA states.

It was similar statements made by the neocon/Zionist cabal which prevented the IAEA from concluding its investigation in Iraq leading to the false and fabricated lies that steered this nation towards war with Iraq. All under the pretext of WMDs. There were no WMDs and the U.S., U.K. and others new it. There were nothing but forged documents and misleading information and propaganda that resulted in the catastrophe that we are evidencing in Iraq today.

Such individuals have one agenda and do not care about the truth or finding other methods of negotiating with countries. Their agenda is forced regime change through whatever means, even if it means death and destruction of a country and its people. The real goal was takeover of a rich Middle Eastern country and its oil reserves as well as strengthening of the U.S. hegemony in the Middle East.

Lies and misleading information in order to invade a country results in massive loss of lives, destruction of countries, loss of lives of U.S. soldiers, massive amounts of debt and wasted U.S. citizens tax dollars which could be used for the needs of the people and economy of this country.

Such lies have to date resulted in the death of over 1 million Iraqi civilians, 4 million Iraqis displaced, close to 4000 U.S. soldiers dead, not including the many hundreds of thousands who are suffering from mental, and physical disorder, and a country destroyed and in chaos. .

As such, you should be exceptionally careful about repeating the same misleading statements if you really do care about Iran and the Iranian people. The U.S. needs no more fuel to the fire. The U.S., U.K. and Israel are more than willing to find any “smoking gun” to do to Iran what they have done to Iraq.

Unfortunately these evil people and their regimes have not learned anything from past mistakes, nor do they care about the tragedy that war brings to the invaded country, or their own.

However, as an Iranian I care very much. As such, I will do anything and everything that is in my power along with other peace loving people of the world in order to derail such an outcome that may befall on Iran.

You can’t simply make irresponsible statements without any proof, and because hatred of IRI has blinded every notion of clear, intelligent and rational thinking, let alone your moral obligation towards our mother land and our people.

Pre-emptive wars and forced regime change based on some crystal ball that you think you have is not legal. Forced regime change is neither your business, nor that of any other foreign country. The Iranian people should be allowed to bring their own transformation at their own pace, and have a government that is of their liking. It has nothing to do with what you and I may or may not like, but what the Iranian people living in Iran want. You just can’t use words such as “INTENT”, “EVIL IRI”, “EVIL ISLAM”, “THEY COULD”, “THEY MAY” as logic for your conclusions – that Iran is bent on having nuclear weapons. There is no concrete evidence of this sort and no legal authority will give a nation this power, unless of course those countries have always placed international law and the U.S. Constitution aside to do whatever they wish to others.

Unfortunately, whether you like it or not, this has always been the case with the U.S., Israel, the U.K. and other imperialist countries. There is total disregard for international law that is why the United Nations has become an irrelevant body, and they are doing the same to the IAEA. Power and greed corrupts, and these countries posses both such traits.

However, one thing I will tell you is that neither you nor Mr. Jamshid are in any position to judge the love I have for my country, the Iranian people, and every inch of its soil.

Just one final note before I leave you to your own you should read the following passage from an article about how the war in Iraq has impacted the children of Iraq. Then maybe you may think twice before using such irresponsible statements:

//seattlepi.nwsource.com/opinion/340665_iraqi...
NEW YORK -- Looking at photos of Iraqi children maimed by the war makes the conflict unforgettable. Reflecting on the causes that led to that war makes it unforgivable. Slowly but steadily new information is coming out on the effects of the war on children, and how it has affected not only their health but also their quality of life and prospects for the future.

One child dies every five minutes because of the war, and many more are left with severe injuries. Of the estimated 4 million Iraqis who have been displaced in Iraq or left the country, 1.5 million are children. For the most part, they don't have access to basic health care, education, shelter or water and sanitation. They carry on their shoulders the tragic consequences of an uncalled for war.

"Sick or injured children, who could otherwise be treated by simple means, are left to die in the hundreds because they don't have access to basic medicines or other resources. Children who have lost hands, feet and limb are left without prostheses. Children with grave psychological distress are left untreated." That is the assessment of 100 British and Iraqi doctors.

Never mind that according to United Nations Security Council Resolution 1483, the U.S. and Great Britain are recognized as Iraq's occupation powers and as such are bound by The Hague and Geneva Conventions that demand that occupying powers are responsible not only for maintaining order but also for responding to the medical needs of the population. Tragedies like that don't have parents.
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YOU CAN READ THE ENTIRE ARTICLE FOR YOURSELF.

p.s.no need to reply to sender.

Dear Farhad

I agree with you. Also Arezu and her likes have damaged Iran and the people of Iran far far more than the US had ever done.

Notice the use of the three "deception", "diversion" and "fallacy" elements in all their arguments. If you pause and read their sentences, you will find the use of one or more of these elements in their argumens. Knowing this, each of their sentences can be analyzed and easily exposed. It does help to read a bit on the art of countering fallacy. Just google the word fallacy!

Re: Arezu stucked in lies...

Arezu, as we say in farsi, "soozanet gir kardeh". You keep repeating the same old, tired and bankrupt ideas that used to be said in 1978.

First, you said you are neither an IRI lackey nor a zionist nor a bunch of other things. I guess that would leave the "imbecile"? Does it not?

You kept saying to everyone that they are off on historical facts and they need further readings.Who are YOU to decide that? Your education and all your readings obviously is not worth a grain, since you are on the side that is helping the misery of Iranians.

You say that "you would support Iran's right to nuclear technology under any other regime as well". With one difference. If it is under the Pahlavis, you attack it, but under the IRI is all right. You are EXPOSED Arezu.

You say it is ok under IRI, because Iran is a sovereign nation??? Sovereign? What a laugh! IRI is a puppet regime that "acts" like a sovereign nation to fool idiots like you. IRI is a puppet of some second class countries like Russia and China. IRI is selling Iran's rights to the Caspian sea to their Russian masters. Repeat after me: IRI is a puppet of Russia and china.

Then you continue with your deceptions:

You wrote:

"As a monarchist lackey you are proposing that because the Shah was in power, and the U.S. trusted him, Iran was given the privilege of having a nuclear program; and even going as far as obtaining U.S. assistance for developing a nuclear weapons program. "

Shall we dissect this sentence Arezu? So if YOU defend the IRI, you are not an IRI lackey, but if someone defends the Pahlavis, he is automatically a monarchist lackey? You are EXPOSED Arezu.

I shall expose another decpetive attempt in your quoted sentence above. You conintued on and said that the Shah did this and that and " (went) as far as obtaining U.S. assistance for developing a nuclear weapons program."

You thought you can cleverly throw a lie in there and get away with it and deceive people's mind. What nuclear weapons program? The shah was not after nuclear weapons as much as IRI claIms it is not after it. You are EXPOSED Arezu.

Then you said: "you (jamshid) just equated Iran's sovereign rights to a regime/and specifically the Pahlavi's and approval by the US"

Very clever Arezu... Very clever.... I admit that you are good at fallacy and the art of deception. I did not equat Iran's sovereign rights to anything. YOU did that falsely on MY behalf. You are EXPOSED Arezu.

Iran's sovereign rights to nuclear technology was exercised under the Shah, and your attempts to protray him as a "puppet" regime (yaaaaawn) and invalidate his service to his poeple does not change the truth. You are EXPOSED Arezu.

The truth is that Iran could have had nuclear technology long before, had it not been for the insane IRI's ideology. It is the IRI and the likes of you (yes you Arezu) is depriving Iranians of nuclear and many other technologies. You are EXPOSED Arezu.

Then you say: "The U.S. deprived Iran of a democratic, secular government which would have enabled Iran to be one of the most progressive countries in the world today. "

OH MY GOD! You are degrading yourself to the level of a bozzo Arezu. It is not the US who is depriving Iran of these things, it is the IRI and you (yes YOU Arezu) who are deprving Iran of democracy, secularism and progress. You are EXPOSED Arezu.

Oh one other thing. Re-read your "Final Note" and replace "USA" with "IRI" in your own sentences and you will get that much closer to the truth.

You Arezu and your likes were the decease and cancer of the Iranians society. Notice the use of past tense "were" instead of "are". You were the cancer, but no longer. Iranians are now immune to your leftist/Islamist propoganda and just laugh at it. 

You must adapt or perish Arezu. I am refering to your propoganda material and methods of deception. YOUR OLD METHODS ARE JUST BANKRUPT AND ARE NOT EFFECTIVE TODAY. Perhpas if you adapt you can give us at least the resemblence of an intellectual challenge. Alas, that is only a futile hope.

Jamshid jaan, these

Jamshid jaan, these communists allies of the IRI who are so vocal on this site are nothing but fascists whom do not give a flying crap about Iran. Just like Hamas which clearly states in its charter that Palestinian issue is secondary in importance to uniting all Muslims under a caliphate rule, Iran is just another step for these leftists in imprisoning all people under a backward, dark, regressive, inhumane, fascist and impractical communist rule. What other evidence do we need to clearly see these people justify IRIs actions?

How do you fine the "puppet"

How do you fine the "puppet" term in politics? Based on what political science defitnion, can we call someone a "puppet"? Are you saying that we are so helpless or lazy or indifferent or happy with the fact, that a "puppet" ruled us for 35 years?? That we couldnt take him out for 35 years I guess because the presense of few thousands American political experts trining the Iranian army? Are you saying we, nation of 30 million people, didn't have any say on who and how we are to be governed? Then how come we took that "puppet" out when he was in his strongest militarily, economically and politically?

Arezou, I didn’t miss

Arezou, I didn’t miss history, you apparently live in history. And that’s why Iran is living in the 7th century today, because of people like you who want to take us back to the Stone Age. Please stop preaching communist and Chavezian ideas. Aren’t you guys had done enough destroying our country once in 1979? What makes you think the people in Iran will let you hijack their intellectual and freedom movement this time? Let me start with saying that all you have mentioned in your article is quotes from different individuals or reporters, such as David Albright, Seymour Hersh, and others. Without validating the facts. Just to give you one example, Seymour Hersh said that he was certain and he has undeniable facts that the U.S will bomb Iran in June of 2006. I heard him myself mentioning that in some C-Span event. These informations are easily retrievable online. The opposite argument, me, can also mention numerous quotations, report, statistics from other sources that contradicts your claims. But that is not even the issue we’re dealing with here. We should be looking at the big picture; we need to analyze the intentions, the policies, and the repercussions.
1-Everything that you described in your article about Iran’s nuclear programs are the technicalities, and we all know it. Just because a government, whether good or bad, is claiming that it has peaceful nuclear program and just because it has allied itself with powers with veto abilities (Russia and China), and just because, and this is very important and the center of argument here, there is an incompetent watchdog organization monitoring nuclear energy activities around the world, does not mean what Iran says is truth. What you need to look at, and you might need to do lot of homework for this, is what the strategy of the fascist regime of Iran is. Think outside the boxes for once if you can. Countries who have nuclear arms dramatically increase their bargaining abilities n the political realm, in other words, they would seem untouchable, and since the IRI with the exception of very few countries around the world, has made enemies and the world knows it is the biggest threat to world peace (Please refer to latest world opinion polls showing who they think is the biggest threat to world peace), and because the whole world (U.N, U.S, Europe, vast majority of countries around the world, all its neighbors, and most importantly, the Iranian people) understands that it is the biggest sponsor of terrorism ideas and groups around the world, that is why it is absolutely vital for the fascist regime to insure itself with any foreign intervention. A nuclear bomb will do that hands down.
2- The claim that Iran government cares enough about its people to pursue peaceful nuclear power is comical at best, if not amazingly ill-informed. If you have done some research, you could easily see that nuclear energy is not even close to being the breakthrough technology to empower a country’s economical or technological status. Iran ranks close to the bottom in most economical and technological indexes in the world. (Please refer to numerous statistics available online (World Bank, U.N agencies, among others). The policies that need to be adopted to get Iran out of its current pathetic state are privatizing economy, encouragement of entrepreneurship, attracting foreign investments, removal of bureaucratic barriers and importing, then, innovating technology. More and more countries around the world are adopting those policies, Iran is either not, or doing next to nothing with regards to adopting those policies. So the claim that the policy of this government is to improve Iran’s economic and technological assets is bologny.
3- You claim Iran has not threatened Israel. When Khomeini step foot in our beautiful country with the intention of destroying it with the help of his leftist allies like yourself, he said “If every Muslim drops a bucket of water on Israel, it would we wiped out”. Khomeini’s words are laws and policies themselves. (Please refer to the opinion of the overwhelming majority of Iranians). I don’t think anyone needs to remind you of the speeches the so called “president” of IRI made about Israel which brought world condemnation, unless you have been living in a different universe, maybe one created by Lenin. You are either very naïve or very ill-intended not to understand the terminology the Iranians use when it comes to metaphors. The non stop 24/7 bashing of Israel and U.S is not foreign to any Iranian living inside of Iran. All they mean are they will use Mafia tactics to bring Israel to its knees. They don’t have to drop a Shehab 3 on Israel to do that, they give it to branch of their Hezbollah movement to do it for them. That is how the Iranian regime operates. The god father, ayatollah Khomeini, whom you seem to admire, does not come on TV and orders strike on Israel. That is a characteristic of an open society, which we have never been one. It is distortion on your part not to admit the true intentions of the Iranian regime which is inspiring a middle-aged style Caliphate on the expense of the Iranian people. I’m not even going to talk about the anti-Israeli policies this fascist regime conducted for the last 30 years. That will take many books to write. Also, I’m not even going to touch on the fact that Israel was not a threat to Iran until the IRI started unjustifiable hostilities towards it in order to rally the Arab public opinion for the purpose of gaining support among groups that will ensure its survival, groups such as Hamas, Hezbollah and Al-Qaeda.
4- Just as Iran spends billions of dollars by plundering our countries wealth and resources to fund and inspire terrorism groups and fundamentalist mentality around the world, it is out of cruelness and selfishness to expect other countries around the world to sit back and watch this regime pursue its devilish conduct. Israel, U.S, Iran’s neighbors, E.U and others, have the right to defend their country, citizens and interest through any means possible. That includes any attempt to help the people of Iran fights against a monstrous regime such as IRI. Like I said, open your eyes and see how IRI does what it does. Iran actually does it very cleverly. Through inspiration and brainwashing and funding, Iran establishes little states-within-states that are governed by medieval fundamental ideology. Those semi-states, act as terrorist hetmans around the world, where as no country feels safe now because of that. That in no way, strips Iran from responsibilities towards its actions and in no way means that the world should stay silent about it. Iran has started a proxy war against the world community, and if it wasn’t for the corrupted regimes such as China and Russia, intense International pressure would have bought this barbaric regime to its knees. However, with the current trend, the world is left with no choice but to act strongly against the IRI.
5- The U.S has clearly voiced against human rights violations in all countries around the world please read the annual state department report on human rights around the world, among others. As a matter of fact, the U.S gave up its strong presence in Uzbekistan because it spoke against the oppression of innocent people by Uzbek forces couple of years ago. That angered the Uzbek government which led to the removal of U.S base in Uzbekistan. By the way, that brings another point which shows that people have the ability and do take responsibility for their own actions, which discredits your claim that if it wasn’t for the U.S the 1953 coup would have not gone through.. That coup was arranged, planned and executed by Iranian monarchists.. Yes, The Shah might have consulted foreign embassies. So what? We didn’t take responsibility like the Uzbeks and numerous other people around the world did, and didn’t stand up to Tyranny and oppression. All you claim, therefore, about U.S hypocrisy is false.
6- The biggest war mongering regime is the world is the IRI. Maybe you have forgotten that it took us to the longest war in the 20th century that resulted in the destruction of our country, our spirit, our society and the death of more than 1 million people. With this government in power, who promotes hatred, sponsors and inspires terrorist groups and defies the world, we should be expecting a war at any time from any one. No one feels safe with the Islamic regime in power. Liberal and democratic ideas are threatened everywhere in the world because of the promotion of fundamentalist ideas the IRI has been the center of for the last 30 years. Those democratic principles are very precious to countries that have gotten them with enormous sacrifices. So, yes, expect a war to start at anytime, and like I said, only two parties are at fault, IRI and leftist allies of it like yourself.
7- Te support Iran gives to armed groups in Iraq and Afghanistan, including Al Qaeda and Taliban, is so evident that if you really look into what the IRI officials are saying and read between the lines, they even admit it themselves. I read numerous times IRI officials claiming that it was because of the “walls created by the IRI” that the U.S have been unsuccessful so far in Iraq an Afghanistan. We’re not even going to talk about Iraqis who (According to public opinion polls) know who is the biggest threat to their country’s security, off course, the IRI. Even a 5 year old Iraqi kid knows Iran is vastly interfering in the destruction of Iraq. Numerous Iraqi and Afghani officials and military commanders have all openly stated that.
8-Please ask the Iranian public whether they believe the Sepah Pasdaran is a terrorist organization or not. You don’t have to listen to what the U.S congress says. That is unless you support the revolutionary guard.
9- Iran has violated international law by the following (Which you claim the U.S has done):
You claim: “US is running covert operations in Iran to foment unrest and ethnic conflict for the purpose of regime change. Unmanned US drones have also entered into Iranian air space to spy over Iranian military installations and to map Iranian radar systems. These actions violate the UN Charter's guarantee of the right of self-determination for all nations.” Iran directly supports terrorist groups operating within U.S and Europe, therefore clearly violating U.N charters. The U. S operation is a response to those activities.
You claim that” Iranian leaders then concluded from these gross injustices that international laws are only “ink on paper”. That is what I have been trying to say all along, isn’t it? Everyone sees violations of international law on daily basis, however, by adhering to those same laws that are violated by some, the majority of nations around the world attempt to reduce the indicants where international law is broken and try o bring consensus to the world community to follow those laws. Why is it that only the IRI who has violated every obligation it has to its citizens and to the world constantly for the last 30 years? By the way, you actually are admitting, even though justifying it, that the IRI leaders are breaking international law! Appreciate your confession.
10- Iran has been condemned by the U.N dozens of times of sponsoring terrorism and violating every single right of its citizens which means they have broken the U.N charter. THE IRI therefore, should be held responsible for these actions.
11- Washington has so many “rivals”, why is it that Iran is only at the danger of being bombed? How come U.S is not advocating military strike against Cuba, Venezuela, Russia, North Korea,…Why only Iran? Have you thought about that? Have you done your “homework”?
12-I support Iran, and anybody else’ right to nuclear energy. But I, and the majority of Iranians, and the whole world, would not for a second believe that the IRI is after peaceful nuclear energy. Even the IAEA itself declares that. It said clearly we cannot proof that Iran is seeking peaceful nuclear technology. Yes, the polls show that Iranians want peaceful nuclear energy; I’m one of them, but no giving that ability to the IRI.
13- The reform movement was born dead in Iran. Please refer to the same so called” reformists'” statements. Under this regime, reform means a comedy night at improve.
14- You claim that the U.S has “assistance obligations” is moronic. How could you even put the two words together? How can assistance from one country to another be an obligation? By the way, speaking of obligations, how about talking about the numerous obligations that the Iranian regime has not fulfilled to its own people and to others?
I am not at all amazed when I see some Iranian males support the IRI, the most brutal regime in their history, and one of the most brutal in world’s history. Some share the same regressive backward ideology with the IRI, just in a different form: ultra-leftism; and some, takes advantage of the medieval laws that ehe IRI has instituted such as Sigheh and things of that nature, which makes the regime favorable to them. These people couldn’t care less about Iran. However, I can never seem to be astonished enough when I see Iranian females, who along with the whole world, saw only one of the countless atrocities committed by this regime on fellow females in Iran, just lately when they arrested close to 500,000 (according to official IRI statistics) young females due to not adhering to 7th century Islamic dress code, support these fascists

RE: Israel will take out the Islamic Republic's

salam Gohsmith, can you tell your bosses to assign someone smarter than you to browse Iranian.com. Almost in every article you blog "drive by shooting style".
Ask your bosses to send us a smart Israeli guy who can explain why you guys want to waste your bombs and wear out your jets. I am sure we agree that brand new equipment can fetch more money.

To Arezu...!

Go get laid!

To: Shalom Goldman

Thank you for clarifying the definition of "MAD" and "INSANE". We now know who are the idots who want to commit national suicide; Israel and the U.S.

I hope for the sake of the people of Israel and the U.S. saner thoughts may prevail.

To: Mythbuster

The last time I heard who was committing genocide it was the U.S.A. and U.K. in Iraq and Afghanistan, and Israel in Palestine and Lebanon. The holocaust that has been unleashed in the Middle East has been committed by these three nations. We aren't even going to discuss what else the U.S.A. has been committing in other countries of the world.

Just another note to make it easier for you to get the picture:

If we substitute Christian for Muslim or Islamist, Iraq or Iran for Israel and America, Christian Evangelist for Mullah, antichrist for the hidden imam, you will have a pretty good idea of what the rest of the world thinks of America at this point in time.

The U.S., U.K. and Israel have destroyed countless families and countless lives in the Middle East. No wonder the world is becoming increasingly polarized and fractured. If the U.S.actually followed its own beliefs in the countries of the region (I have to say it is not even following it at home) -- freedom, equality, respect for the rule of law, to name a few -- we wouldn't need to fear a nuclear Iran. Instead the USA ignores laws, crushes freedom and democracy and establishes and supports power systems with a ruthless disregard for equality. Is it any surprise that the peoples in these areas elect hard-line governments?

I think not!

Israel will take out the Islamic Republic's

nuclear sites somewhere around February-March 08. This is an optimum time since the attack will take place during dark hours of the night.

Finally, the cancerous organ of the middle east will be taken out before it spills over to other organs.

God Bless Israel and God Bless America and why not!

To Arezu:Islamists in Iran are terrorizing and killing Iranians

To Arezu:
Islamists in Iran are terrorizing and killing of Iranian civilians for any matters that questions their illegitimate and barbaric ruling. Genociding Iranians and Iranian culture abhors us Iranians and must be condemned. You are pro IRI. I wonder why you need to have a synonymous name for. Because, you now these fascist Islamists and mafia gangs can easily jail, torture, and kill even you for no reason.
Islam is a cult and Islam is myth. Islamists should not use Iranian resources to have bomb and later use it against us Iranians. Look at what they have done to us for 29 years in power. If it is terrible today, imagine how awful will get for us Iranians in the future.

To: Kourosh Sassanian and other neocons/Zionists on this site

Unfortunately for you, Mr. Zionist your dream is not going to come true. Just got to go back to your own country - Israel and stop preaching about ours'.

To: Jamshid -

Amazing how some posters here are parroting all the neocon lies about Iran.

I am neither IRI's lackey, the monarchists/Pahlavi's lackey, the MEK's lackey; the neocons lackey or the Zionists lackey!!

Any intelligent, educated, rational and ethical adult knows there is no realistic danger emanating from Iran at this time that comes anywhere close to the harm that is being done and will be done to the Western civilization from within if we collectively allow such planned crimes against all humanity to happen.

Furthermore, the individual who asked the question was a Mr. Kashani and not you; and he was totally off on the NPT issue as well as other historical facts. He made wrong and inaccurate statements which needed to be corrected. If the truth about the rights of Iran's nuclear program hurts even if the current regime in power is IRI this is just too bad. I would have said the same thing if it was under any other regime.

However, whether you like it or not Iran is a sovereign nation and as such has a right to nuclear enrichment. A country’s sovereign rights have nothing to do with the regime in power.

The word is "sovereign", the nation is "Iran" and its people are "Iranian" and the international law which governs a sovereign's rights to nuclear energy is the "NPT" not the United States or any other country.

As a monarchist lackey you are proposing that because the Shah was in power, and the U.S. trusted him, Iran was given the privilege of having a nuclear program; and even going as far as obtaining U.S. assistance for developing a nuclear weapons program.

As such, you just equated Iran's sovereign rights to a regime/and specifically the Pahlavi's and approval by the U.S.

This statement demonstrates exactly why the former Shah of Iran was given this privilege by the U.S., because he was a puppet of the U.S. just like the Saudi government and the it’s other "Arab allies" are.

Human rights were not or are they currently an issue for the U.S. so long as a country is willing to succumb to the rules and dictates of the U.S... This is clear from all the dictatorial regimes that the U.S .has supplanted and turns a blind eye to their human rights abuses, including some of the most extremist, and fanatical Islamic regimes far surpassing IRI. The U.S. simply wants puppets,

Why do you think the U.S., and U.K. and CIA got rid of Dr. Mossadeq? He had a democratic agenda for Iran but was not willing to be a puppet nor give Iran’s oil revenues to the British and the U.K as such they got rid of him and put in place the young Shah whom they could easily manipulate. The U.S. deprived Iran of a democratic, secular government which would have enabled Iran to be one of the most progressive countries in the world today.

ONE FINAL NOTE

You want to speak about which government has committed the greatest atrocities, then may be you should start looking at the record of the United States before you venture out to point fingers at other nations.

The U.S. Administration under GWB is one of the most evil that has ever held power on the planet. Under GWB’s authority, the immoral and godless hordes of his nation's armed forces have slaughtered - butchered - hundreds of thousands of innocent people. The regime he heads is further responsible for the deaths of millions over the past decades. The U.S. unfortunately is easily the most bloody-handed nation the world has seen in the last century. It is NOT a virtue to be the best at killing people, not in any circumstance. In addition of outright murder of non-combatants, they have also proven eager to use any means, including illegal and banned, to achieve their goals. Banned chemical weapons, banned biological weapons, banned nuclear weapons are all being developed on U.S. soil. Torture is one of their daily tools, as is intimidation, assassinations, bombings, illegal incarceration, economic deprivation, and espionage. Every protest against their reprehensible actions is met with stony silence, irrational justifications, or blunt refusal to accept responsibility. Where convenient, they have simply changed their laws to make their crimes legal, and further exempted past offences from prosecution. They tread heavily upon foes and friends alike. Alliances they make are honoured so long as they serve their purposes and discarded as soon as they become burdensome in anyway.

Platform . . .

1- Deport all Sayeeds to Saudi Arabia
2- Exhume all arabs kondeh imams and deport them to Saudi Arabia
3- Destroy all mosques and built Persian cultural centers on top of them
4- All arabic names changed to persian names
5- All muslims deported to Saudi Arabi
6- Islam not allowed, however, Christians, Jews, Devil Worshipers, Frog Worshipers are allowed to remain in Persia and worship freely.

The muslims were driven out of Spain after 800 years! Persia was only held 200 years by Arabs! Isn't time to rid our land of Islam and arabs once and for all . . .

the nuclear shah (re: jamshid)

Jamshid said: "more than 30 years ago, under the Pahlavis, Iran was getting the most advanced AND safest technology from Europeans"

Jamshid, unfortunately his majesty your Shahanshah, was a puppet and even if he had been given some toys, they would be controlled by those who gave it to him.
Your puppet king could not make the simplest of decisions on his own, he was an imbecile. Do you really think that he would really build a nuclear Iran that would not have to beg for fuel and parts from US and others.
By the way Jamshid, you signed you latest post as "Imbecile". Were you referring to yourself? It seems you are getting carried away with insults and accidentally insulted yourself.