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Dr. Pourandokht

you have your head firmly stuck in your a@#$#. You are proud to be Arabized?

The threat is still there

The problem with all you fellows is that none of you guys takes the future into account. In a decade or so from now the USA will be one of the major powers in the world and no longer the super power only either militarily and economically. It will also not be white as it is now but the population will be a hybrid of blacks,latinos,whites,asians and arabs with Islam the number one religion. The newer powers which will include Brazil, China, India,maybe Russia and on a smaller scale Iran. These powers will have much more say in how the world will be run. So to hell with the USA. In order for the USA to be number one and its consumers well fed people living in the rest of world have to be miserable. So Inshallah for the day same as the day when the Islamic Arabs overthrew the Sassasina empire and established Islamic rule, for the USA also the day of its demise is arriving fast.
Long live Islam and the Arabized Iranians of Iran. Me and my sister Parvin have both Arab boyfriends and live a wonderful life. Doctor Pourandokht Rostamian of Sharifabad
Vancouver (now in Toronto)
Canada

mossadegh was lucky. he

mossadegh was lucky. he didn't stay in power to show his through evil by having the country ruined through his megalomaniac polices. he got off the hook so easily,and as for mr kinzer, just another wannabe iranolog who wants and beg for recognition BUT offers NOTHING new,

Well Put Khatat

I agree - programmer craig is just that :0)

"programmer craig"

I have seen that my Iranian friends have left a number of sayings in Persian for you.

I believe that this one perhaps encapsulates them all:

"Khar Dar Moghabelet Ebn Sina-st"

If you don't understand Persian, then have someone who speaks Persian Translate it for you :)

After that, go in front of a mirror, and say: "Yes, that's me, Craig"!!

EXPOSING THE Middle East Forum

Look at where these agents of terror reall ycome from!
Prgrammer Craig, Truth seeker, Annonymous4now et al all come from this ideology and quote stuff from this site:
//www.meforum.org/

They claim to be a "think tank" (We all know what that's a euphamism for, right?)

Look guys, here's how they describe themselves: (No wonder they're doing back flips to pollute these blogs...it's their "Duty" if not their "job".

The Middle East Forum, a think tank, seeks to define and promote American interests in the Middle East. It defines U.S. interests to include fighting radical Islam, whether terroristic or lawful; working for Palestinian acceptance of Israel; improving the management of U.S. democracy efforts; reducing energy dependence on the Middle East; more robustly asserting U.S. interests vis-à-vis Saudi Arabia; and countering the Iranian threat. The Forum also works to improve Middle East studies in North America.

anny4now

You just don't get it do you? This is my last post in this matter and I have nothing else to exchange with you.

This blog, these notes, this discussion is NOT about Mossadegh! How come everyone esle gets that but you?
It is about THE US!!!!! Who cares how many references to Mossadegh are in these books. Mossadegh was just one expamle of how the US and England are incessantly bullying and highjacking the processes in other countries. (And actually the people in power go way beyond the petty borders of countries, they are central to money and power not contained by boders.
We are all Americans here, including Kinser and we want to defend the amazing truths that this countr was founded on; freedom of speech, freedom of religion and true democracy. The reason you are under attack is that you are an agent of those who don't want free thought to spread. Nobody here likes the propgandic attempts at PREVENTING anyone from reading a book that simply outlines FACTS. Historical, embarrassing facts that expose the dirty attempts at thwarting true democracy.

WHEN YOU GET ON HERE AND TRY TO GET PEOPLE NOT TO READ SOMETHING (ANYTHING) YOU ARE PROMOTING PROPOGANDA AND IGNORANCE.
And by the way, I looked up the site you quote the old Kinser review from and if that's not a site for propoganda to discredit Islam, then I don't know what is.
I'm beginning to see why you guys are so mad about Kinser now. You do have an agenda and you have been brainwashed. And you can't stand it when people point that out!

I had no opinions about anyone when I started to read these posts and don't even disagree with what "Programmer Craig" or many people on here say. It's just HOW you say it. The systematic, boiler plate mission to thwart the truth that in invonvenient for your side. It is now obvious what you all are trying to "program".

Now I don't like the mullahs, and do like Jews in general, but I'm damned if I'm going to allow BS attempts at propoganda tactics a la Hitler, circa 1936 to go on here without exposing them!!!!

Get Lost! The truth will always prevail!
I'm done with you, as far as I'm concerned you are an agent of propoganda (whether you know it or not).

Programmer craig is a Zionist agent

Programmer craig is a Zionist agent
Programmer craig is a Zionist agent
Programmer craig is a Zionist agent
Programmer craig is a Zionist agent

Dear PC, Or is that the

Dear PC,

Or is that the other kind of Iranian? The ones who are my friends? Your kind of Iranian (including many of the people in this website) seem to be the Persian equivalent of a redneck.

That is a perfect description of not only people like Arezu but the entire ruling class in the Islamic Republic.

Thetruth or should I call you Theideology

Why are you on this site?  To hear yourself have a monologue or drive out everyone with opposing points of view so you can have your space with olagh?  You are jumping to the defense of someone else based on ideology, regardless of which side is right or wrong and talk to me about ranting?  I posted a review of the book and if you disagree with it and have read the book then make an argument.  I have yet to hear anyone quote a word out of the book but they all claim is so good.  If you are as “informed” as Olagh then it does not surprise me that you find the book informative.  You should call yourself the Ideology not the truth, because it is obvious you are not after the truth.

Olagh, cited a number of references in defense of the Kinzer book.

One was Gary Sick’s October surprise which, as I said before, has two sentences regarding Mossdegh, another was Steve Coll”s Ghost Wars which is about Afghanistan and Bin Laden and has no reference to Mossadegh, and another was by Ronald Kessler which has this one paragraph in the entire book about the events of 1953:

“On Aug 21, 1953, CIA forces led by Kermit Roosevelt overthrew the left-wing government of Prime Minister Mohammad Mossadegh in Iran after he nationalized the British-owned Anglo-Iranian Oil Co.  The CIA and MI6, the British Intelligence Service, handpicked General Fazlollah Zahedi to take power instead and funded $5 million to him.  Three days after the coup. Shah Mohammad Reza Pahlavi who had fled the country the previous week after a clash with supporters of Mossadegh, was returned to the palace.” 

Another reference was The Arrest of Hoveyda: Stories of the Iranian Revolution by Saideh Pakravan which is a fiction mixed with reality, novel.

You jump to the defense of Olagh from one side of your mouth and then attack programmer craig from the other side of your mouth.  What difference does it make who he is?  You can agree or disagree with him, but why speculate about who he is.  Who are you?

 Now, who is being silly? 

Arezu's answer

Arezu

I think that CRAIG needs to worry about this election right now. We have witnessed 6 dark years since 9/11 attacks and remains unsolved until today. Whether McCaine or Hillary win the next phase, i believe both should worry about reshaping the U.S. economy. We have spend over four years in IRAQ and have not understood the reality of the war and spend $9billion every year and should stop this year. Two wars was good enough. Many Americans believe we don't have the miliary capibility right now to attack IRAN at this moment. We are 200 miles apart from both border lines. AMERICA needs to get its hegemony back on track once again. Everywhere you take a U.S. passport, they think it is not safe. IRANIAN, too!!! hahahahahaha!!!! I was listening to a PBS show on youtube.com that a Muslim cleric pointed out: BUSH and AHMADINEJAD have dangered the security of the world. They both believe that return of Jesus and Mahdi are very close.

PC guy I love Iran

You are exposed now.
Take you venemous blog to another website.
We are Americans of Iranian decendants and we are proud of who we are.
You are wasting your time on this website advocating to bomb Iran!
What kind of moran are you?
How do you think Iranian nation has survived for 2000 plus years?
We love Iran.
We want peace between Iran and United States.
Go to an Israeli site.
There are thousands of them.
Go and blog there.

Peace and Love,
I love Iran

Go seek reform for the U.S. which is in desparate need

I wouldn't bother with Iran; again I suggest that you focus on seeking change right here where you live in the U.S.A.!

The vast majority of the people in this country want change and out of this rut!

wrong acronym for a person who wants to seek the truth

FYI: I have no clue who this Nazy Ghassemian is. And no I am not her! Wrong again!!

Arezu

One last thing. Don't address any more commenst to me. I have no interest in interacting with you. I won't be so nice, next time.

Arezu

So, who are you fooling? You are just on this websites to be another loud speaker for war, sanctions and regime change in Iran.

Yes, I am. I want regime change in Iran. When did I deny it?

Furthermore, you are so thick headed that when individuals provide you
with their view and analysis you continue to reject it all!!

Their views and analysis, is it? lol

I don't give a damn aboiut YOUR views and analysis. You are (by your own admission) a supporter of the regime. You don't want regime change. I suppose you want "reform" (those are sneer quotes btw), right? Well, that's so 1990s of you :P

This is my last comment in this thread. I had my life threatened on this webist yesterday. And you think I'M the one who is rude? I though you Iranians were supposed to be oh-so civilized? Or is that the other kind of Iranian? The ones who are my friends? Your kind of Iranian (including many of the people in this website) seem to be the Persian equivalent of a redneck. I have nothing to "learn" from people like that. If you feel you have nothing to learn from me, then so be it. I'm sure you talk about these issues every day with ordinary Americans, don't you? Wait, maybe not, since you don't realzie that 64% of Americans view Iran as an enemy of the United States.

Get real. Before you get dead. You aren't making any friends with this kind of behavior, and you are badly misatken if you don't think American publci opinion has anything to do with when America goes to war. 68% of Americans supported the invasion of Iraq in 2003 - look it up - and it wouldn't take much to get US public opinion that high in favor of attacking Iran. You want to avoid that? Start talking about solutions that don't involve bullshit reforms, Arezu. We're not buying that one any more.

A fishy smell

I've just read this entire thread, and there's something very suspicious about a guy (Programmer Craig) that claims not to be Iranian, or speak any farsi, and yet lets it slip that he's been reading stuff on this site for a couple of years, and is familiar enough with the substance of the site to remark on how it's changed in favor of the IRI!!!

I don't buy it. Either, he's lying about being Iranian (probably of Iranian Jewish decsent, and intellectually young) or he's "working" on here. What else would he be doing on here?

Tahvilesh nagirin!

Annonymous4now

Honestly, it's enough. On behalf of most of us on this blog, please stop.

You want to get away with slamming a book for no good reason and then you want to drone on about it.

I must say I agree with Olagh catcher. This isn't about Mossadegh (neither is Kinzer's book incidentally)! It's about your hostile remark to disuade people from reading a book we're all trying to discuss, then you want to act like the victim. You just don't get it.

You're not doing yourself any favors with your rants. They're silly as they miss the larger point.

My last and final response:

My last and final response: You're lucky I even replied to you...I didn't even read half of your stupid diatribe... because I know who you are.

Arezu, aren't you that Nazy Ghasemian???Khar khodeti.BTW, you still make me want to puke.

Olagh!

Why Should I get over myself, and let you get away with BS, as soon as it becomes convenient for you?  You chose to have this intellectual brawl with nothing but broken logic, slander and intellectual dishonesty, with your hate filled clap trap telling me I am hateful for posting a review on an uninformed look at recent Iranian history!?

October Surprise has two sentences on Mossadegh, and you bring it up as your source of information to back up your argument on Kinzer’s book.  This is not a mistake of the spelling type or the grammatical type.  It is an outright lie.  Total intellectual dishonesty.  Now, who is Anny?

It is so typical of people with your limited ideology, as evident form your recommended book list, to be so ill informed yet conceited, exactly because you limit yourself to the same type of reading that suits your limited sensibilities.  You have chosen to read, not about Mossadegh, but anything that is, or anyone who writes, against the Shah.   

You can be dishonest with me but be honest with yourself and read first hand, the account of the recent History of Iran by those who were involved in it, like Ali dashti, whose book’s foreword is by an ex leftist Mohammad Asemi, who would have nothing to do with dashti, but came around to admiring him, later in his life.  Like Ardeshir Zahedi, right here on this thread.  Read his write up.  He won’t bite you.  He will have some good (surprising) suggested reading for you.  Try to read balanced so you are not so rabid. 

To: Truth Seeker -Last and final response.

First: With all due respect please address the person you are referring to when you post a comment so that the person knows who you are referring to.

Second: I appreciate your attempt in providing me with your political views however, I am quite aware of the U.S. political system - It seems like you didn't read my response titled number Three. I already provided you with the answer if you would have bothered reading it carefully prior to jumping to respond.

Third: This is why I said update your article on Obama; it was your own fault that you decided to pick an article dated August 2007. This is why I indicated that candidates change their position depending on polls on a monthly basis and indicated you should listen to his Milwaukee speech. Please don't regurgitate what I have already said;

Four: Unfortunately, for some reason it seems difficult for you to grasp what I was trying to say.

I said you indicated that “Iranians will not be ready for democracy for 15 years - how the hell do you know??”

I am still sticking to my position, how do you know? You are speaking out of thin air with no clue as to what the Iranians believe is democracy for them, and where they are in this process and how they believe they can achieve it!! Neither you nor I are in their minds, nor active participants in their daily lives, struggles and their achievements.

I didn't say that you indicated how democracy was going to be achieved in a country; that was my personal comment and my own opinion. Please read carefully!

I also didn't say you indicated that I was pro-IRI; I clarified my own position; please read carefully!!

Fifth: Attacking Americans will not win their hearts and their minds – are you referring to my comments regarding PC?? If so, I provided ample reasons for why I responded the way I did to PC.

People have been far too kind, gracious and patient with PC and in return all they have received are attacks and insults back. This is not kindergarden, and we are not two year olds.

Furthermore, I beg to differ with you, the one thing Americans do not give a damn about is winning their hearts and minds. Of course I must say there are exceptions. However, generally speaking Americans - and more specifically the American Gov. only respect you if you speak their own language.

With a bully you have to speak like a bully; you don’t turn the other cheek.

One thing the Americans have not learned is respect. They don't respect countries, their people, their customs, their history, their traditions, their religion, their rights.. Just look at the U.S. history and how they have treated other countries! It speaks for itself? Their motto has been sticks when everyone else says where is the carrot?

You are confusing the rest of the world, with America. It is America which should attempt to win the hearts and minds of other people.

The complaint of countries and their people are that Americans are arrogant, they are full of themselves, they think they are the best, they speak down on us, they don’t respect us, they believe they can do what they want and feel justified in their actions.

This is exactly what Iran is saying to the U.S. – learn how to respect us as a country and our rights.

In fact even the American policy makers are finally beginning to acknowledge this. Just listen to the questions that the Americans are asking “why do they hate us so much”?

Answer is pretty obvious – because you don’t respect countries and their people. You occupy, you pillage, and you step all over international law when it suits you and what is good for America is not good for the rest of the world…..

People are tiered of this U.S. attitude and gun boat diplomacy - it is about time that the U.S. changes its behavior towards the rest of the world.

Sixth and Final: This goes for you as well. Learn how to speak politely when you address people otherwise you are going to receive the same type of language usage back!

PC guy can take his hatefull blog somewhere else

You can fool,
Some of the people,
some of the time but you can't fool all of the people all of the time. Somebody observed this truth.
Go back and read his previous blogs.
He hates Iranians,
He hates Palestinians,
He hates moslems,
He wants war with anybody who critize him or Israel, and the list goes on.
And he doesn't even speak Farsi.

Forgive my typos. Too many

Forgive my typos. Too many to correct...lol

Observer: You're parnoid. PC

Observer: You're parnoid. PC trying his hardest not to be vindictive because deep down he knows it's wrong...Why do you think he comes here to this site. He's been reading different Iranians blogs for many years now...but you people don't let him. You put salt on his wounds.

Arezu: In the final

Arezu: In the final analysis, it doesn't really matter what you and I subscribe to. It's what Pentagon and state Department's subscribe too...Why do you thin Obama calls Iran an enemy he will talk to??? I'm paraphasing, "we should not fear our enemies and we should negotiate with them"...THink about that? Here is Obama's speech from Last night:

//www.nytimes.com/2008/02/19/us/politics/19te...

PS.Attacking Americans will not win their hearts and minds and will not help Iranians either inside or outside. At least 45% of the US think like McCain...

US is not California, Berkeley or San Francisco or Los Angeles...

There is a difference between grief and aggression

wrong.
You must be very naive to believe that.
This PC guy is very cunning and knows exactly what he is writing.

Observer: Sure

Observer: Sure Sherlock...you're a genius, aren't you?

PC has already explained his position but it seems like you people can't get it through your head where he is coming from...He is not here to debate nuances. He can't. He is still grieving. This is very personal to him...unfortunately, and by attacking him, you make it even worse.

Vaay! Get over yourself

Vaay! Get over yourself digeh Anny joon!

Nemoodi Maro!
You get on here just to slam a book everyone's talking about and tell people not to read it. Beekhod! You don't like the book, go read another blog. Why do you want to slander the poor author?

You have been caught in the act of being an olagh. That's all.

You made a comment about

You made a comment about democracy and that Iran will not be ready for it for 15 years – how the hell do you know?

Democracy is not something you can put on the backpacks of the American soldiers and deliver it to countries the American way; via bombs and missiles, or "shock and awe".

You're regurgitating inanities and in your arrogance your presumptuousness is sickening. When did I say democracy can be bestowed upon a people. Democracy is in the spirit of the people. It is a learned behavior and attitude. It would take years for Iranians to achieve that even here in the US IRanian can't let go of the little ayatollahs inside, let alone poor Iranians. Stop your stupid accusations and boring diatribes.

Olagh joon

You “despise haters” like me, based on my posting a review on Kinzer’s book?  How do you justify your hate?  I posted a review on a book, you hate me because of it?  Can you see the idiocy in your own comments?   I SAID, BROKEN ENGLISH OVER BROKEN LOGIC ANY DAY! 

You suffer from chaghookesh mentality.  You want to force your opinion by making condescending remarks and personal attacks.  You don’t know anything about my reading habits, or me for that matter, but you are ready to fit a line to through a single point.  

“Then rather than make your own intelligent objections you rely on some paltry review by a no name reporter from 4 years ago that wrote articles based on which the way the winds of readership were blowing.”  

First: How did you assume I have not read the book? 

Second: Who do you think Kinzer was when he wrote the book, on a topic he had no expertise on?

Third:  Why are you afraid that the review I posted is going to hurt the reputation of the book you are trying to push?  If it is as “paltry” as you say it is, then it would be obvious to others too, unless you are conceited enough to think yourself more qualified to think for them, and attack me, rather than argue against the review.     

Fourth: I did not tell you which other books I have or have not read.  You are extremely presumptuous.  As it turns out I have read some of the books you mentioned, in addition to others, but, just as your opinion with your broken logic, can be meaningless, so too, some of what you read in these books are biased and sometimes uninformed views of the writers. 

 You have a bone to pick with me and you could not have done it around a more irrelevant argument.  If you want to practice free speech, learn to respect others, so you and your views can be respected too.