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BoosBoos & Siavash

Do you even know what you're saying? Like Divaneh very nicely said, what the heck is this "ethno-linguistic identity" schmilblick you guys have invented now??
Are we Aryans or not? If you say "yes", you're talking about race. If you're talking about the language, it's called "Persian" or "Farsi".
There is no other thing you could talk about.
And we are all saying one thing in common: Aryans existed as peoples, a long, long time ago. But that's it. Whether Dariush was part of them is not related to the topic!
So there.
Remember, this discussion started after Moshiri called those who think Iranians are Aryans --therefore a race-- "unknowledgeable people" (to put it politely!)

And this from the mother of the bride, now that everyone is calling the other "ignorant", and since he has been attacked on this thread without even participating, really:

"if i were you i wouldn't waste my time debating with the ignoramus. note the incapacity of most iranians to engage with arguments instead of resorting to manichaean ad hominem attacks (with hardly a handful of categories: pan-turkist, agent of the Islamic Republic, etc.... the sheer fact of living in England being enough of an indictment in itself). Looks like 'critical thinking' was not part of the package they imported from the west."

Khoda omret bede.

Information for Aryans (Iranians)

@ Divaneh: 

1.  You cite to Jona Lendering (the owner of Livius.com) - Lendering is a well-known an anti-Iranian zealot who is not even a historian (he was outed as a fraud); here's a petition with 1,400 people complaining about Jona Lendering.

//www.gopetition.com/petitions/jona-lendering-anti-iran.html    

2.   You cite to Wikipedia (a dubious source capable of being edited by every insane asylum prisoner from here to China).  

3.  Divaneh, then you admit that you came across sources quoting Darius which say, "I am Aryan and of Aryan lineage".  However, you previously stated exactly the opposite (Divaneh: "Darius never claimed to be Aryan.")  In other words, I was right.

 4.  Now you claim: "I have reliable copy of the Beeston [sic] tablet [sic]."  The problem is (a) it's not a tablet, and (b) you failed to spell the name of the inscription correctly according to any single accepted transliteration (Old Persian: Bagastana; New Persian: "بیستون" ; Some Accepted Transliterations: "Behistun," "Bisutun," "Bistun.")  Your "reliable copy" of the Bagastana seems to be based on incorrect spellings.  hmmmmmm.

5.  The Central Point:  Quotes from the Bagastana: Larger Writing: (Darius's Lineage of Aryan and Hakhamanishiya  tribes at § 1.2.); "King of Arya" at § 1.6.)

6.  Information about Aryan trade routes are here.  

//heritageinstitute.com/zoroastrianism/aryans/trade.htm

7.  "Old Persian script was called Aryan (OP. ariyā) by the Achaemenids. It is largely known from an extensive body of cuneiform inscriptions – especially from the time of Darius the Great (r. 522-486 BCE) and his son Xerxes (r. 486-465BCE)."  [ See Old Persian Grammar, Texts, Lexicon, 2nd rev. ed., American Oriental Society, New Haven, (1953). p.6. ] 

8.   Russian anthropologist has unearthed Aryan villages in Khorasan (now called 'Turkmenistan' after the Russians annexed it).  

//www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFAMPQaO5TM

9.  Quote from the Society of Aryan Jews: "Long before Adolph Hitler & the Nazis appropriated the term "Aryan" for their fictional master race, it had referred exclusively to speakers of Indo-Iranian languages. The original Aryan people consist of various related ethnic groups across the Iranian plateau and Indian subcontinent."  They also have a group on Facebook: //www.facebook.com/groups/84142390544/

10.  People attacking the Aryan ethnolinguistic identity of Iran generally fall into three categories: (a) The uneducated (which is excusable); (b) people implementing De-Iranization policies meant to break-down the historical identity of a nation (like PanTurks, Arab Nationalists, and the former Soviets); and people who are uncomfortable with who they are because they think Aryan means "race" when all along it has been an ethnolinguistic marker of the majority of the people of Iran, including various tribal groups.  

My original questions still stands:  Why aren't these same people who spend their lives and their energy trying to dispute the existence of Aryan people spending their lives disputing the existence of Turks, Arabs, the French, and Native Americans?  

... Think about it.  

Dear BoosBoos

Please see my previous comment addressed to Samsam with regards to the Darius and Aryan race.

What is this ethnolinguist thing that you are defending. If you mean Persian speakers, then let’s say so. If you use that to refer to a certain ethnicity then you can say that too.

Let me tell you Boosboos that I am not playing the race game. In fact it is you who plays the race game. It is you who are causing divisions in Iranians with this made up nonsense. No one should be fooled here, Aryan is about the race. I think the case of so called Aryans in India makes a good example of how complexions are important to this racial identification.

Lastly, I am sorry but you confuse a hell out of me with that Nigeria example. Not sure what you are trying to say.

Are you people

for real? I mean Eyran-Shar "land of Aryans" is as old as the Sassanids. European my foot! The evidence of using "Arya" is as old as Iran herself. Why do you think they called it Iran?

You people are living in a fantasy world. Right "Germans" invented Aryan sure just like they invented the Swastika. If you do a bit of research both are ancient. Germans simply copied them; then changed the meaning.

It is not my fault or Iran's fault that some Europeans were racists. Iranians did not murder the Jewish people; it was the Nazi. It is saying because Adolf Hitler was a racist anyone named Adolf is a racist. What a pile of bunk if I ever read any.

Dear Samsam

If you look around you can see that the translations of the Darius inscriptions in the Naghsh Rostam are not the same in all sources. Some seem to have the phrase "I am Ariyan" and some miss this phrase. Look at these for example where it does not exist.

//www.iranatlas.info/parseh/pe_dtomb1.htm 

//www.livius.org/da-dd/darius/darius_i_t10.html 

In Wikipedia version there is only one word "Aryan" and in some others there is a whole phrase "I am Aryan and of Aryan lineage".

What we need to do is to find a reliable translation of this inscription to get to the bottom of the truth.

I have reliable copy of the Beeston tablet and the start is almost identical to the Naghsh Rostam tablet. There is no reference to being an Aryan in the Beeston which is his largest account of his background and achievements. Should he not have included an important part of his identity such as his lineage in that tablet too? All he wishes to stress is his noble family and that he is an Achamenenid.

One of the most reliable sources about Iranian identity and beliefs is Avesta. Why then there is no mention of being Aryan in Avesta? I asked this question before and you have stated that there are common words in Avesta and the rock tablets which  am sure is the case. But where in Avesta there is any reference to Iranian being Aryans? Perhaps we should also search other old texts to reveal the real truth.

NO Parham, it is NOT the same

 "Zia-Ebrahimi is not saying anything different. In the long version of the research, he says exactly the same thing (which I said in my previous posts as well) -- namely what you quote. Except he says more of what Gnoli says in the PBS article" Parham

 Below is what Gnoli says which is distinctively different with what Zia Ebrahimi says:

"....the Avesta clearly uses airya as an ethnic name (Vd. 1; Yt. 13.143-44, etc.), where it appears in expressions such as airyāfi; daiŋˊhāvō “Iranian lands, peoples,” airyō.šayanəm “land inhabited by Iranians,” and airyanəm vaējō vaŋhuyāfi; dāityayāfi; “Iranian stretch of the good Dāityā,” the river Oxus, the modern Āmū Daryā (q.v.; see ĒRĀN-WĒZ). There can be no doubt about the ethnic value of Old Iran. arya (Benveniste, 1969, I, pp. 369 f.; Szemerényi; Kellens).

The Old Persian and Avestan evidence is confirmed by the Greek sources: Herodotus (7.62) mentions that the Medes once called themselves Arioi; Eratosthenes apud Strabo (15.2.8) speaks of Arianē as being between Persia and India; Eudemus of Rhodes apud Damascius (Dubitationes et solutiones in Platonis Parmenidem 125 bis) refers to “the Magi and all those of Iranian (áreion) lineage”; Diodorus Siculus (1.94.2) considers Zoroaster (Zathraustēs) as one of the Arianoi. The ethnic, linguistic, and religious import of terms connected with Old Pers. ariya and Av. airya is therefore borne out by a lot of different evidence, over a span of time that goes from the Achaemenid to the Seleucid and Parthian periods and in Iranian and non-Iranian sources. Besides Greek, the non-Iranian sources include Armenian, as in the expression ari Aramazd “Ahura Mazdā, the Iranian” in The History of the Armenians (sec. 127) by Agathangelos (de Lamberterie, p. 243; Schmitt, 1991; Gnoli, 1993, p. 19). An Iranian source, the Rabatak inscription (l. 3 f.) in the Bactrian language, has ariao, meaning “in Iranian (language)” (Sims-Williams, 1995-96, p. 83; 1997, p. 5; Gnoli, 2002). All this evidence shows that the name arya “Iranian” was a collective definition, denoting peoples (Geiger, pp. 167 f.; Schmitt, 1978, p. 31) who were aware of belonging to the one ethnic stock, speaking a common language, and having a religious tradition that centered on the cult of Ahura Mazdā.

And this is what Zia Ebrahimi says:

"Not only is Aryanism a relic of nineteenth-century European thought with an ignominious legacy, but its Iranian variety is a symptom of an entrenched complex of inferiority, a desperate attempt to be something other than a "mere Iranian." This complex is rooted in a traumatic encounter with Europe that took place two centuries ago." Zia Eberahimi 

NO Parham/Mr. Ebrahimi the concept of Aryan didn't come 2 centuries ago. It came from Avesta which estimated to be written between 3800 to 4000 years ago and Gnoli clearly stated that refers to People and Iranian who lived in Platu of IRAN.

Like I said before, this article is an attempt to justify the Islamic Republic by keeping a distance to anti-Semitism at the same time - cleverly done!

Dear BoosBoos

You are right about all the points you make and I like to add a bit.

• Persian is an ethnic identity which includes a large number of Iranians. Not all Persians live in current Iran some live in Afghanistan; Tajikistan and other places. Including in USA and other Western nation. Many Iranians are not Persian such as Iranians of Arab origin. About half Iranian people in present Iran are Persians the rest are of various other ethnic groups. But most of them are very close to Persian by custom and makeup.
• Aryan is an ancient identity which was used by King Darius. This is not a new concept. Nagshe Rostam is solid and I mean "solid" proof of it. The Europeans mistakenly redid the concept to be "blond haired; blue eyed". This is wrong and has nothing to do with Iranian Aryan. Sort of like the religion of Mitrhaism. Iranians have their version of Mitrha while Romans had their and it was not the same. Unfortunately people without any knowledge get this confused. In addition Iran haters specifically pan turks use this to disparage Iranian people. The ones with shame are the ones who murdered the Armenians. That was not the Iranians for sure.

Aryans Exist - Enemies of Aryans Pretend they don't

@ Parnham:  you rely on a panturk'ic article that claims that: "Aryanism is a system of thought born in early-nineteenth-century Europe that divides mankind into different 'races.' "

Hitler's incorrect use of the word Aryan (wherein he meant "Nordic" in appearance) and Iranians use of the word Aryan are not the same thing ... they never were.  I'll say it again: Aryans are an ethnolinguistic group, not a race; and certainly not a race of blond-haired / blue-eyed people.  You keep trying to confuse people -- why?  

And why don't you devote your energies instead as to arguing whether Turks or Arabs exist?   Why don't you spend your time and resources on disputing the existence of the French or Native-Americans? 

There are groups of people who have set their sites on targeting Iranians Aryan historical legacy for purposes of making Iranians vulnerable to other suggestions like they're Arabs or Turks.   Are you one of those people?  I don't know.  But your arguments are cut from the same cloth of rhetoric that they use. 

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@ Divaneh: 

You falsely claim: "Darius never claimed to be Aryan."  Sorry you're wrong; I gave the citation and you ignored it.  Then you play the race game -- Aryans are an ethnolinguistic group (not a race).  Like Parnham you miss the point when you make up your statements and knock them down, like when you said: "Bandaris are of the wrong complexions to be Aryan" you try to equate being Aryan with Hitler's mistaken use of the word.  It seems that this is an attempt to slander the identity of Aryan people.   Aryan never meant race -- arguments about "complexion" are a part of your own head-trip; The Aryans never said anything about complexion, yet you seek to want to include these intentional distortions that remind people of Hitler.  If I went to Nigeria people would notice that I am not a member of their ethnolinguistic group: so what? 

Nothing wrong with the word "Persian"

"A coward afraid to say I am an Iranian will say I am Persian."

 I disagree with this quote -- it's just an attempt to break down the identity of the people.  All of the kings of Iran used the word "Persian" -- ALL OF THEM.

I can show you documents even from the Safavid and Qajar eras that used the word "Persian."  

There's nothing wrong with the word "Persian" -- there's a lot wrong with people that attempt to revise the historical record and erase the longstanding cultural and ethnic identity of people.  Usually panturks, arabists and others employ this game.  Don't like Persia?  Enjoy Canada.

Dear COP

given the centuries of perpetual ignornace imposed on us

It is possible to put behind all of that in one generation. When people want to open their minds they abolish ignorance. The IRI has already done most of the work for us. They have got people angry and rebellious.

What we need is a plan for how to move on. I do not want an-tellectuals hijacking the next round. Specially those with hatred of Iran whose goal is to impose guilt on us. People who freak out as soon as you say "Aryan".

No more Islamic an-tellectuals. I favor right of people to their opinion but no lecturing. I already see some "Professors" want to impose their views on people telling anyone who disagrees they are "irrational". We better be ready for them. 

Alphabet, least of Iran's problems at this point

At least for the short-term, I believe that with the way things are going, we as Iranians will need to worry about more fundamental aspects of continuous islamist assault on our motherland and identify than the language part alone.

I am sure most agree that if and when we have a secular democratic and caring government, the nationalistic aspects of Iran and being Iranian will once again shine.

That, however, is a big IF given the centuries of perpetual ignornace imposed on us (mostly by us!). 

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IRAN FIRST

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Regarding Alphabet

That is also a very important thing. I am often asked why don't I write in Farsi script. Honestly because I don't see any reason to. It is not Persian and I could just as easily write "Farsi" using Latin script.

Why should I go through all the trouble of writing in Arabic script? If I want to use a foreign script I may as well use Latin script that is available on all computers. I don't need to download fonts and anyone could read them.

In the future Iran will face a dilemma: what script to use:

• The existing modified Arabic script.
• Latin type script
• Old Persian aka  "Din Dabireh"

I don't know which way it will go. The easy route is to use Latin script. It is widely available and is the route of least resistance. But Din Dabireh has a lot of value. It was developed by Sassanids to replace the Aramaic alphabet. Because the latter was inaccurate and unable to properly express sounds. I learned it on my own and it is very easy to learn. You could learn it in a few months putting in an hour a day. It has the attraction of being our heritage. It is truly Iranian and will shut up those who fear "gharbzadegi". There is nothing Western about it! The script will also appeal to the nationalist feelings of people. I wrote a blog on it a while ago and here is the page:

//iranian.com/main/blog/veiled-prophet-kh...

VPK jan

You are most welcome. As I mentioned in my earlier posts it might be too late for the older generation to be expected to replace Arabic vocabulary with Persian ones but children such as yours (bless them!) have a huge capacity to absord information. 

Great article Simorgh

I agree that it is accurate and predicts what is going to happen. One of the obstacles is the older generation. I was teaching my kids Persian. One of them started talking to my father and used "Andisheh" instead of "Fekr".

My father went bonkers that I am not teaching my kids "proper" Farsi. That people will laugh at them if they speak the way I am teaching them. I don't think so and we may as well start somewhere. 

The younger generation is rejecting Arabic influence. I see it when I speak to other Iranians coming from Iran. They use some words I did not even know. But their roots are Middle Persian and the same goes for other practices.

Excellent article

Puriofication of Modern Persian

 //www.mideastyouth.com/2011/08/19/dilemma-of-iranian-language/

'Out with the old and in with the new' or should it be 'Out with the new and in with the old' 

Take a Chill pill ;0)

Dunno about 'Aryan' supremacist tendencies But that shouldn't serve as a 'super masochistic' excuse to allowing anyone to stampede our culture and collective identity either ... 

SATIRE: Turk and Iranian argue in Austria ;0)

The More you humiliate a nation, and it's people as is the case of the IRI in particular with it's own countrymen and women by bullying them into living in self denial :

Unfortunately Due to Nauseating Political Correctness 'Racism' has become just one of those "words" which some people like Bahram Moshiri by Intellectual Fashion seem to want to drop in each time they are running out of arguments or want to avoid debating about the roots of the problem.  

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Gol gofti we are all Iranian

Lor,Turk,Arab,Lak,Baloch, Kurd we are all Iranian.

A coward afraid to say I am an Iranian

Will say I am Persian.You are an Iranian

Be loud be Proud.

Shah Hossein

Turkish warplanes resume bombing Kurdish rebels in northern Iraq

Turkish warplanes resume bombing Kurdish rebels in northern Iraq (cnn)

 as if eradicating Armenians was Not Enough :

 HISTORY FORUM:Turkey and the Armenian Genocide - 'The Betrayed' (BBC Documentary 

Although .....

Mr. Moshiri tends to be a highly controversial figure, nevertheless, I tend to agree with much of his statement here

Having said that, I would also like to thank SamSamIIII  for his comment below regarding the inscriptions at Naghsh-e Rostam

We have to understand that Iranian history and culture prior to the Arab invasion (ie. Kiaani History) was much different than what transpired after the invasion, and evolved to this date

There is one thing that needs to be emphasized regarding the works of our beloved Ferdowsi: His main objective and aim in writing the Shahnameh was to preserve and protect the Persian (Kiaani) Culture following the Arab invasion

If it hadn't been for the works of people such as Ferdowsi, we would probably be speaking Arabic in Iran today - Many Scholars tend to agree with this

However, it should also be said, that Ferdowsi despised the Arab influence in our beloved Persian culture and society - I have quoted this from the Shahnameh in the past - But it's perhaps worth mentioning it again in view of the discussions here

ز شیر شتر خوردن و سوسمار
عرب را به جایی رسیدست کار

که تاج کیانی کند آٰرزو
تفو بر تو ای چرخ گردون تفو

Sincerely

R D

Aryan then; now

People get very confused over Aryan because of the Nazi history.

First of all Darius was an Aryan and as SamSam correctly points out said so. It is literally carved in rock! But it did not mean the same thing as the Nazi meant. Aryan meant "Noble" not racist.

Iranians were never into racial purity which is a hallmark of racism. The proof is right in history. Khashayar Shah took Queen Esther a Jew for his wife. That is hardly racist! It means that Royal Achamanechian house was part Jewish. Not exactly racist.  

Unfortunately Hitler stole the name Aryan and turned it into a negative thing. Since then people of limited knowledge get mixed up. Folks Darius lived over 2000 years before Nazi with their idiotic racial ideas got to power. How anyone possibly associate Iranian Aryan heritage with racism is beyond reason. But when did reason stop pompous an-tellectuals who are puffed up with fake indignation and are full of bovine you know what.

By now almost all Iranians have mixed genes. That is a GOOD thing because inbreeding results in defects. On the other hand people of mixed race tend to have fewer genetic problems. Good for us to be of mixed race! 

In conclusion I agree with Reality-Bites. I am really sick of an-tellectuals who don't know s***.  

As for racism the "Republic of Azarbaijan" is one of the most racist nations. Their rulers hate Iranians; Armenians; Kurds and anyone who is not Turkic. In fact they were so brainwashed by Soviets they hate their own population. No wonder Iran is actively supporting Armenia. Something that I agree with. The pan Turks better get their own act together. Who did the Armenian genocide: it was not the "Aryan" Iranians. It was Turks. Remember the bit about glass houses.  

"I'm Darius the great king...."

AS in the inscription on Naqshe Rostam;

" 1. (1-8.) A great god is Ahuramazda, who created this earth, who created yonder sky, who created man, who created happiness for man, who made Darius king, one king of many, one lord of many.

2. (8-15.) I am Darius the Great King, King of Kings, King of countries containing all kinds of men, King in this great earth far and wide, son of Hystaspes, an Achaemenian, a Persian, son of a Persian, an Aryan, having Aryan lineage."

 Avestan text on Naqshe Rostam:

1 baga : vazraka : Auramazdâ : hya : im

2 âm : bumâm : adâ : hya : avam : asm

3 ânam : adâ : hya : martiyam : adâ : h

4 ya : shiyâtim : adâ : martiyahyâ

5 : hya : Dârayavaum : xshâyathiyam : ak

6 unaush : aivam : parûvnâm : xshâyath

7 iyam : aivam : parûvnâm : framâtâ

8 ram : adam : Dârayavaush : xshâyathiya : va

9 zraka : xshâyathiya : xshâyathiyânâm

10 : xshâyathiya : dahyûnâm : vispazanâ

11 nâm : xshâyathiya : ahyâyâ : bûmi

12 yâ : vazrakâyâ : dûraiapiy : Vishtâs

13 pahyâ : puça : Haxâmanishiya : Pârsa : P

14 ârsahyâ : puça : Ariya : Ariya : ci

15 ça : thâtiy : Dârayavaush : xshâya

Moshiri & co are akhoonds in fokoli style ;)

Path of Kiaan Resurrection of True Iran Hoisting Drafshe Kaviaan //iranianidentity.blogspot.com //www.youtube.com/user/samsamsia

HYPOCRITE

Racism is repulsive but more so when a hypocrite psuedo intellectual nobody and wanna be publicity hound as Bahram Moshiri speaks about it. He has called Arabs Moftkhor and Zaloo (see here: //youtu.be/2dS1bCCO19I ) and if your time has no value at all listen to the rest of his garbage and judge for yourself if he is in Korsi Sher business or not.

How is it that us Iranians always had a deep rooted need and desire to have to regularly listen to and bob our heads in agreement like sheep, watching an ugly, opinionated, over educated narcissist, khan bala khan, spewing out a bunch unsubstantiated, unscientific, rediculous babbles. The guy only talks Korsi Sher, PLEASE DO NOT MAKE ANOTHER LEADER OUT OF HIM.

Darius never said he was Aryan

BoosBoos, I don't know where did you get your information, but it is wrong. Darius never claimed to be Aryan, not in the Naghsh Rostam and not in his larger inscription in Baghestan (Katibeh Beeston). Nor, there is any mention of Aryan roots in Avesta which was compiled many years later. It is only in the more contemporary writings that they have referred to the tribes who moved to Iran and India as Aryan people. For that they could have called them anything else. It's in many cases just a nomenclature to refer to a certain group of people in the same way that we refer to Ilamite and Babylonians.

What you and others like you associate with this word is very dangerous and extremely divisive. Are you defending the bygones or do you think there are Aryans in Iran who are the true Iranians? Who are they? Ok, let's assume there have been no invasions and no intermixing with others. First let’s exclude Arabs, Turks and Turkmen. Gils and Mazandaranis are also excluded. Bandaris are of the wrong complexions to be Aryan. Soon you will be left with nothing but Ghom and Kashan (lanat be har do tashan). Can you see how divisive and daft is this idea?

Such divisive concept can be used by foreigners to divide Iranians to their disadvantage. I know an educated person like you will not fall for that, but every society is full of bigots and Iranian society is no different. We need to be nationalist and love Iran but in the positive and all inclusive sense of it. Moshiri is damn right.

Tiger Lily

Looks like of all people, you were the one who really read the piece, here! : )

حرف حساب

Siavash

Zia-Ebrahimi is not saying anything different. In the long version of the research, he says exactly the same thing (which I said in my previous posts as well) -- namely what you quote. Except he says more of what Gnoli says in the PBS article, which you say is in contradiction of what is quoted here, but is not in any way. It's just something you would not like to accept, otherwise it's only complementary to the above!

BoosBoos (second message)

So you went through the article! What made you think the author is "Pan Turkist"??

Anyway, no -- I'm not sure where you get your information, but it's apparently all wrong, except for the village (and that just could be, I didn't watch the video) -- as I said, there were apparently peoples called Aryans at one point, but that's about it. As for the "ethno-linguistic identity", how come no one really knows much about it, and what's the use of it anyway??

Ah, you people kill me...

BoosBoos

Looks like you didn't read the article either!

Aryans used to be a "race" (or rather peoples -- at least designated as such) way, way, back. But that's it.

It also bothers me when people stick to such nonsensical hypothetical constructs; for what, no one knows.

Do read the article, you'll see what I mean.

Reality Bites

What other scholarly research?
More. looks like you didn't read the article...

Moshiri is actually trying to Equate 'Monarchism' with 'Racism'

Which has nothing to do with condemning Racism per se ...

I am familiar with his dubious Distortions and generalizations: and shortcuts

MOSHIRI's COLD HAND's: Bahram Moshiri Slams Pahlavi Era Gun Ban Policies

HISTORY FORUM: Bahram Moshiri's Take on The French Revolution and Why He Misses The Point ;0)

As if a bunch of illiterate bazaris running some Cheap LA TV were representative of the Monarchy or the Monarchist cause.

If so then I Guess I should Equate all Iranian Jomhurykhahs ( Secular or Not) With Islamic Fundamentalists who founded and are Running the IRI ...

HOLOCAUST A MYTH: Michelle Renouf on Iranian SAHAR TV

How fair would that be ?

Accountability has to be Two Ways otherwise this is Intellectual hypocrisy not to say ANNTELLECTUAL dishonesty to say the least ! 

Shab Khosh,

DK 

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