CLERGY

Kasravi Books

Please find bleow the links to the Kasravi books in PDF format. 

Baahaigari

//www.4shared.com/document/b1p97IhT/_______wwwOstadRezaFazeliblogs.html

Shi'igari

//www.4shared.com/document/5p2TyNb1/Shiie_Gari_by_Ahmad_Kasravi.html

جناب خرگوش

برای دوستان علاقمند بنده هم لینک متن کامل کتابهای بهاییگری و شیعی گری را در پیام بعدی ضمیمه می کنم. متاسفانه انگلیسی و فارسی را نمی توان با هم نوشت.

اما این نوشته و بحث پیرامون آن نه راجع به بابیگری و بهاییگری است، نه راجع به آثار دیگر کسروی و نه راجع به خبط پادشاهی که قاتلین کسروی را مانند قهرمانان به میان دوستان قاتلشان و مافیای آخوندی باز گرداند. این مطلب تاریخی و بحث پیرامون آن راجع به روابط روحانیت شیعه و انگلیس است. باور بفرمایید جناب خرگوش که بنده با وجود کمبود وقت به مراجع زیادی مراجعه کرده ام تا هم این مطلب مهم تاریخی با دوستان طرح و به همت آنان موشکافی شود و هم افرادی مانند شما از خواب خرگوشی بیدار شوند. باز هم شما به جای درک مطلب می آیید و سعی در انحراف این بحث می نمایید. لطفاَ این بحث را منحرف نکنید. شما اگر مطلبی راجع به کسروی، بابیگری، بهاییگری و یا هر چیز دیگر دارید بفرمایید و در مقاله ای جداگانه بنویسید و بنده و هر فرد علاقمند دیگر هم می تواند در مورد آن موضوع با شما به اظهار نظر بپردازد. این بحث اما راجع به روحانیت شیعه و انگلیس است.  

چون از کسروی صحبت به میان آمد

ایشان در خاتمه "بهأییگری" می‌‌گوید:

Dear Dr. Mohandes

Thanks for the information and the compliment. I salute Iranian ingenuity. I am sure this news would make many posters here very happy.

Sepaas Dr. Mohandes

Beekhod neest ke shoma dr. Mohandes hastid :). I really had the impression that the IRI has managed to fully block this site. Are very many of our hammihanan in Iran are able and actually circumvent the blockage? Of course you would not have a precise count. Yet, it is so heartening to learn that at least the technically savvy people like you are able to do it.Sepaasgozaram,Bahram g

Bahram G jan

Not that this is related in anyway to the actual subject, at least in a direct way... But it is a common misconception that this site is blocked in iran. ALL it takes is a decent VPN (NOT VPK) and you are hooked up. Like what i am doing right now:)

and there are occasional hiccup/ slow-down  periods which they are called Kabl bargardoon!! (should have seen the look on my face the first time someone mentioned that to me... I was like ha? what? and he goes..with an aghel andar safih look on his face... kabl bargardoon dige!!!)  In iran where the site is down but that does not happen that often. Has not happened to me yet.

Good Blog and very informative divaneh jan . Just wanted to clear that up.

Dear Dr Saadat Noury and MM

Many thanks for the links and information about the Mahmoud Mahmoud book. I was not aware of this book and I am sure it will help putting the Jigsaw together. I also have to thank the great lady Shirin who has gone through so much trouble to share this book with others.

Dear Bahram

I agree that we all need to be motivated to do things. I also think whilst IC is banned in Iran, whatever comes to the public domain travels further than we think. The other element of this blog like any other has been knowledge sharing, and there has been very valuable links added by other friends which will help with my curiosity about the subject.

Ostaad/Divaneh

In order to see the PDFs and download them, go to the following page:

//www.iran-goftogoo.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=23541

Dear Divaneh

In response to your note that, "If you find Persian books or articles that cover this issue, please add them" here

محمود محمود در کتاب ۸ جلدی روابط سیاسی ایران و انگلیس در قرن ۱۹  میلادی ، مضامین کتاب دست پنهان سیاست انگلیس در ایران را با استفاده از برخی کتب های خارجی به همان شیوه به تفصیل بیان می کند. از دیدگاه محمود ، عامل اصلی توطئه بزرگ ( مشروطه ) ، علمای روحانی بودند که با خرج مبلغ زیاد اداره اوقاف هند ، که در اختیار وزیر مختار انگلیس بود ، راه شورش را هموار کرد ند.
//www.iran-goftogoo.com/forums/lofiversion/index.php/t23541.html
 

Dear Divaneh

Your point is well taken. The very fact that you devoted undoubtedly hours to the task of writing this essay prooves both of us right. You did Invest your time, a most, if not the most, commodity we have in writing it because it did secure your Interest, albeit an altruistic one. That was a point I was making. You have the resources, you have a forum, ic, and you have an audience that would appreciate your labor, admire you for it-- most people anyway-- and you secure psychological gratification for your effort.In short, you could, therefore you did and that served your interest, although as I said earlier an altruistic one and a praiseworthy one in my view.Now, saying that we don't seem to learn our lessons is a case that is difficult to present. You and people like have learned your lessons. But, there are millions of Iranians who have not and have no intention of throwing away their security blankets---the akhoonds.As I see it, your essay is a good one. Unfortunately it is preaching to the choir, so to speak. Ic is banned in the IRI and our hammihanan in Iran who are still holding tenaciously to the hem of the robes of the mullahs need be awakened. I wish we could focus our effort at finding effective ways of doing that and yes learning from our past mistakes.Regards,Bahram g

Dear Bahram

It is indeed a dog eat dog world but there are still some people with care and concern for others who even fall in jail and get tortured for that. That of course has no precedence when it comes to relation between states. Past is past, but past is experience. If anything we have proved an inability to learn from experience. Akhonds almost destroyed the country at the Safavid time, then at the time of Qajars and now again. Where is that learning? There have been many other lessons that we should have learnt that we didn't.

Dear Friends

Dear Friends

Thanks for reading and sharing your views.  I have to confess that my limited time did not allow me to delve any deeper into this matter. There are sufficient amount of materials about this subject but unfortunately none in Persian. This is obviously a very important part of the recent history of our area and it is regrettable that no historian in Iran seems to have covered a matter with so much relevance to the Iranians. If you find Persian books or articles that cover this issue, please add them here.

Dear JJ,

I agree that British were powerful and influential. I also agree that Shia Ulama had no honour and sold their country and people to the British. This is in fact one of the main points of this articles that such treacherous  creed now accuse the most patriotic Iranians of serving the foreigners.

I don’t think anyone is Dai Jaan Napoleon here (with the exception of Shemirani :) ) and I have not implied that they are still controlled by the British. Their lack of honour and care for this country however means they sell the country to the highest bidders, be it Russia or China. In either case as shown in the above photo they still have to pray to the British, at the very least for the fact that Brits brought down Mosadegh and paved the way for these dinosaurs to get back to the power.

Dear  Fozolie,

Obviously Germans did not pay the right price for Mulas’ service as the Shia clergy served no one like it served British. This article is not about blaming Johnny Foreigner, it is revealing of a part of history of which not many are aware. As I said before, I think there are real lessons for us as a nation in these events. And as for Brits, you have to admire their diplomacy and patriotism.

Dog eat dog world

It certainly seems like it. People, starting with the individual, when all said and done, do what they must to secure their interests at others' expense. The Brits did a great deal of that, simply because they could. The akhoonds have been sticking it to their sheep-like followers for centuries, simply because they can. These parasite thugs also do whatever they can to destroy any and all people, religious or otherwise, who pose any threat to their rule.Yeah, we should really look past the past and indeed look in the mirror to see the real victim/culprit. Let's move on and focus our energies on cleansing our homeland from the most deadly tenacious enemy....the akhoondha.Bahram g

Dog eat dog world

It certainly seems like it. People, starting with the individual, when all said and done, do what they must to secure their interests at others' expense. The Brits did a great deal of that, simply because they could. The akhoonds have been sticking it to their sheep-like followers for centuries, simply because they can. These parasite thugs also do whatever they can to destroy any and all people, religious or otherwise, who pose any threat to their rule.Yeah, we should really look past the past and indeed look in the mirror to see the real victim/culprit. Let's move on and focus our energies on cleansing our homeland from the most deadly tenacious enemy....the akhoondha.Bahram g

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//iranian.com/main/blog/all-iranians-34

Harsh but true:

"if you're looking for the guilty, you need only look into a mirror"

Mr. Fozolie

Let's move the debate on beyond blaming Johnny Foreigner

Everyone was at it and the Brits were at the forefront. Johnny Foreigner was looking after its own interests as it should have been doing. The problem is within us.

German agents trying to foement trouble in Moslem countries around
India were distributing photos of the Kaiser with a few Mollahs claiming
he had converted to Islam and all Moslems should follow him against the
infedil British ruling India. For a highly readable account, please see Peter Hopkirk's Setting the East Ablaze.

Mr. Fozolie

Past & present

It's important to dig up history and understand what went on. But let's also consider the fact that the British were the imperialists of their time. The biggest, most powerful empire until World War II. It is no surprise that they would prop and support elements who would help them, elements with influence among the population. No one had more influence or bigger network than the clergy.

And if there's any attempt to suggest that even today the clergy are working for the British, we would be fooling ourselves big time. Nothing is more important in shaping our present, or past, than oursevles -- not the British, not the Americans, nobody. We must look in the mirror. We have to stop thinking that we are constantly being played by others. We must take responsibility for our misfortunes.

Merci

 very well written !

بسیار جالب بود، در انتظار خواندن بقیش هستم ...که چطور قم را کردن مرکز هیاهو

More i read about our History more i become a "Daï jan Napoleon" :)

اسلام انگلیسی

خیلی جالب بود رفیق جان . ممنون

مسئله ما، آخوند است

( مسئله ما، ژن نیست، بلکه آخوند است. مسئله ایران بیش ار دو هزارسال است که «آخوند» است، نه زن، نه اقتصاد،  نه سیاست، نه سرمایه داری.
«زن» درفرهنگ ایران، به معنای «زادن» و «‌شناختن» است.
حقیقتی و نوری، حقیقت و شناخت واقعی است که از « گوهر مادینه انسان » زائیده بشود. هرانسانی، آبستن به حقیقت است. هرانسانی، هر تنی، درگوهرش، زن است، سرچشمه است، مبداء زندگی و روشنائی است. «تن» درمرد و زن هردو، به معنای زهدان زاینده است. ما حقیقتی را که از تن، زاده نشود، حقیقت نمی‌دانیم. این آخوند است که انسان را از سرچشمه حقیقت شدن می‌اندازد. پوشیدن چنین حقیقتی و روشنائی، بزرگترین ستم و فساد در ارض و جنایت به بشریت است. کیست که سرچشمه شناخت حقیقت را به ما می بندد؟  آخوند) : منوچهر جمالی

Thanks Divaneh - very revealing of mullah-treachery

look forward to the English version and its references.

never again.

آخوندا و انگیلیسا ؟؟ استغفرالله !!

Bad Stories for Bad Kids

Dear Faramarz and Maziar

Faramarz jaan,

Thanks for your compliment. It is mutual as I do not miss any of your writings or comments. I have learnt a lot from you.

Maziar Aziz,

Thanks for reading. Like you, I hope that this is the last damage that the clergy has done to our country and that Iranians will never have to suffer these self-centred foxes again.

simply

Thanks .

Aaghel jaan for a well documented blog to more substantiate this "nasle dar hale mongharez"ra.

even their dirty hand in one day boycotting ghand or tobacco and the next after recieving few ashrafi....... 

be ommid an rooz .

Maziar

Divaneh Jaan

I feel a lot smarter now that I read your blog!

I am a fan no matter how funny or serious your material is!

A note about the references

Most references for this article were English and I had to translate the titles to Persian due to the incompatibility and the distorted view caused by mixing Persian and English alphabets in the online articles. I will publish an English translation of this article in the blog section and include the English titles of the references.

Thanks Dr Saadat Noury and All_Iranians

Thank you dear Dr Saadat Noury and All-Iranians for your valuable contributions. I had a glance and they seemed very interesting and relevant. I will take time to read all three later and use any relevant information in the forthcoming parts. I hope as a nation we learn from these historical events.

A Very Great Read

Thanks.  Please read more on

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