Amir Parviz for secular monarchy

MK please Stop knocking yourself out and keep your head still

Calling yourself a "Loser" is terrible for your self esteem....

You said,

5. Those who lose arguments and resort to insults and bullying, are the losers. Heloooooooo. 

Even Implying that you are a loser from your own above definition, shows a lack of respect for others too, who do you think wants to talk with a loser?

Since you insulted me by name calling me an agent, at a time when you clearly lost an argument and had nothing but bullying & lies to resort to, why not come or invite a friend to check me out in London at a monarchist meeting in kensington and see what 50 to 100 others think of your views regarding me and your reasons.  I promise you'll get more respect than you show others.  I think the next one will be in a month or so.  The only decent thing to do is accept after you personally attacked my freedom & character and tried to sully my name and give me the right to defend myself and my freedom to say what I wish.  Are you or someone you know up for it?

آقای کاظم زاده

You are crazy.  Seek professional help!

Nokar

Nokar,

1. I would like to thank you for comparing my to Abbas Amir-Entezam, who is regarded by many as "Iran’s Mandela." Although in my article on him, I call Amir-Entezam, the "second Mossadegh."

//iranian.com/BTW/2004/December/Entezam/index.html

2. Only a moron would call Amir-Entezam "an agent of the Ministry of Intelligence" or any other fundamentalist entity. Amir-Entezam, was the Deputy-Prime Minister and the Spokesman of the Provisional Government and the REASON he was arrested was because he OPPOSED the position of Velayat Faghih that the Assembly of Experts was writing at that time. The VF regime FALSELY accused him of sorts of lies including working for the CIA!!!!!!! The irony did not escape the fundamentalists that in fact it was many of the fundamentalists who collaborated wit the CIA against Mossadegh’s government and it was Amir-Entezam who was siding with Mossadegh and against CIA-MI6-Shah-Fadaian Islam, Ayatollah Khashani-Ayatollah Brujerdi-Shaban Bibokh-Akhund Falsafi-Ayatollah Behbahani coup.

3. In this blog, observe the same kind of alliance between fundamentalists agents (APFSM, Zia) and Nokar (monarchist and puppet of MI6). As they say history repeats itself.

:-)

4. A true Mossadegh supporter could NOT be an agent of the MIO. A genuine member of the JM can NOT be an agent of the MOI. JM and INF goal is regime change from the ruling tyranny to democracy. Mossadegh was for democracy, freedom, and human rights, which are in contradiction with fundamentalism (and Pahlavi tyranny).

5. Those who lose arguments and resort to insults and bullying, are the losers. Heloooooooo.

:-)

Sorry Kazemzadeh but your logic sucks!

There are hundreds of those who are/were: in the pay of the IRI AND support Mossadegh. one of their prominent examples is already quoted on this site: Abbas Amir Entezam. He too like Mossadegh collaborated with Akhoond but Akhoond was too clever for them to handle. 

Realsitically I don't think you are in the pay of the IRI unless that they have extra budget for muddying the waters by giving it to uselss  incompetent losers.

Sarbaz Gomnam Emam Zaman Zia,

Sarbaz Gomnam Emam Zaman Zia,

One of the reasons the IRI agents keep getting caught around the world is that you guys are not very smart. When you want to spread LIES about dissidents, you put together a bunch of contradictory LIES or claims. Your agency has accused the same person as working for the CIA, KGB, Mossad, Saddam Mokhaberat, all at the same time. When people hear your agency’s LIES, they laugh at the utter lack of intelligence in you guys.

In this blog, you commit the usual mistake of the IRI’s Ministry of Intelligence: You make a lie and then you accept a statement that contradicts your initial LIE.

On the one hand you lie that I am on the pay of IRI and at the same time you 100% agree with Nokar that I am a true Mossadegh supporter.

You are not intelligent enough to recognize the LOGICAL CONTRADICTION in your accusations. If a person is a true supporter of Dr. Mossadegh or a genuine member of JM, he or she could not be an IRI agent. Helooooooooooooooooooo. Only one part is true: I am a true supporter of Dr. Mossadegh. And that is why the IRI agents and Nokar are against me.

Next time you want to spread LIES about a dissident, at least pick one lie and stick to it. Do not put two contradictory claims against each other. You need to be logically consistent.

At least we are lucky that our oppressors are not bright.

:-)

"Sophisticated and smart people"

LOL! You aren't one Kazemzadeh. Not even your Jebhe Melli friends in Europe give you the time of the day. Boro somagheto bemak!

Anglophile, on this I 100% agree with you. On top of everything you said I also think this guy is a nut and needs help.

When Kazemzadeh goes ballistic

Gentlemen, Amir and Zia,

You are the two gentlemen I am addressing in this comment otherwise Kazemzadeh is no gent. I know that Zia has (understandable) doubts about my intentions but hopefully he will have a different opinion in time.

Please remember that Kazemzadeh is among the most primitive debators you may one day have the misfortune of coming across. His debating style is an affront to academic sense of objectivity and is a clear indication of how lowly the American standards of research (albeit in a pseudo scientific field as in politcal science) have stooped to.

As he lacks any originality he always hides himself behind other authors, some as adodgy as himself) Whe he has exhausted all possibilities he resorts to name calling and labelling others (in this sense he is a follower of Mossadegh as he too used to call his opposers traitor and lackey).

IRI SIMILAR LIES on Dariush Forohar and Me

//www.truthmove.org/content/false-flag-operat...

Zia,

Your buddies also spread LIES about Dariush Forouhar that YOU write on this blog on me. The people on this site are very smart and they will not be fooled by YOUR LIES and dirty tricks.

Try something more effective.  Your old tactics do not work any longer with the sophisticated and smart people.

:-)

toof-e sar bala

Zia: Marg bar mozduran jomhurie eshali!

IRI = Assad and anti-IRI = anti-Assad

رادیو فردا: شورای ملی سوریه، از گروه‌های اصلی مخالف دولت بشار اسد، روز جمعه ۱۲ خرداد، گفت که ایران «میلیاردها دلار پول از طریق بانک‌های لبنان و عراق» به رژیم بشار اسد می‌فرستد و «در تلاش برای افروختن شعله‌های جنگ داخلی در سوریه شریک جرم است».

به گزارش خبرگزاری فرانسه، شورای ملی سوریه با انتشار بیانیه‌ای ایران را متهم کرد که «از طریق کمک نظامی به دمشق در امور داخلی سوریه دخالت می‌کند» و این گروه همچنین از اتحادیه عرب و سازمان ملل متحد خواست تا در این مورد تحقیق کنند.

بنا بر این گزارش، شورای ائتلافی اپوزیسیون سوریه در بیانیه خود اظهار داشت: «به‌رغم جنایات رژیم سوریه... این‌طور که به نظر می‌آید رژیم ایران مصمم است تا از این رژیم پشتیبانی کامل نظامی، امنیتی، اقتصادی و سیاسی کند.»

این بیانیه افزود: «مداخله ایران در امور سوریه شامل تعلیم شبه‌نظامیان طرفدار حکومت در زمینه سرکوب معترضان نیز می‌شود.»

شورای ملی سوریه تهران را متهم کرد که اقدام به تأمین سلاح و فناوری‌های شناسایی و نظارت برای حکومت بشار اسد می‌کند که شامل مسلسل‌های انفجاری، توپخانه سنگین و تانک نیز می‌شود.

در بخش دیگری از بیانیه این شورا آمده‌ است: «سپاه پاسداران ایران در عملیات امنیتی به منظور برخورد با معترضان ضد رژیم [اسد] دست دارد.»

این ائتلاف از گروه‌های اپوزیسیون در بیانیه خود ادامه داد که شورای امنیت سازمان ملل «باید این امر را محکوم کند و گام‌های لازم را در این زمینه بردارد، و در عین حال از ارسال غیرقانونی سلاح و تجهیزات ایرانی به رژیم سوریه جلوگیری کند».

در بخش دیگری از این بیانیه آمده‌ است که «تهران همچنین میلیاردها دلار از طریق بانک‌هایی در لبنان و عراق [برای رژیم سوریه] فرستاده تا از فروپاشی اقتصاد این رژیم جلوگیری کند».

شورای ملی سوریه همچنین ایران را متهم کرد که «در جنایاتی که حکومت سوریه مرتکب شده همدست است و در انکار مسئولیت در برابر این جنایات نیز با آن رژیم همدستی دارد».

همچنین بیش از ۷۰ تن از اعضای شورای ملی سوریه در بهمن‌ماه سال ۹۰ با امضای بیانیه‌ای، حمایت خود را از آن چه مبارزه مردم ایران برای دستیابی به آزادی و دموکراسی نامیدند، ابراز داشتند.

امضاکنندگان آن بیانیه این‌گونه اظهار کردند که «رژیم‌های سوریه و ایران طی سال‌ها با یکدیگر برای سرکوب مردم این دو کشور و بی‌ثباتی منطقه پیرامون خود همکاری نزدیکی داشته‌اند

در هفته جاری اسماعیل قاآنی، جانشین فرمانده نیروی قدس سپاه پاسداران، تایید کرد که نیروهای نظامی جمهوری اسلامی در حوادث سوریه دخالت کرده‌اند، ولی گفت که این دخالت برای جلوگیری از «کشتار مردم» بوده‌ است.

روی در گفت‌وگوی اختصاصی با خبرگزاری ایسنا با اشاره به «حضور موثر نیروی قدس سپاه پاسداران در سوریه» گفت: «تا وقتی که در سوریه نبودیم کشتارهای مردم آن توسط معارضین زیاد بود اما با حضور جمهوری اسلامی به طور فیزیکی و غیر فیزیکی جلوی کشتارهای بزرگ در سوریه گرفته شد.»

اين نخستين بار است که يک فرمانده ارشد سپاه پاسداران گزارش منابع غربی و دیگر منابع درباره دخالت نيروهای نظامی ايران در سوريه ا تاييد می‌کند

Thanks Zia Buddy for asking around.

I challeged him to come check me out with my comment below, hallucinating that he was not JM.  His point of contention with me was that my opposition to US Colonialism and Opposition to further US involvement against Syrians meant I was pro-IRI pro-khameneii because of their mutual alliance, pathetic deceit & manipulation on his part.    

"Disproving MK on my part is easy, I invite you to the next meeting of
Monarchists in Kensington, if you don't show up in order to check up on
me or send a friend in London that you trust to check up on me, it shows
you are not worth the time and begs the question which people are you
working for?????"

Whats with Vildemouse & Amir1973, does the media really deceive people to that level with its phony propaganda & make them activists against Iranian Freedom from Extremism or is there more to them?  Until I did ths blog, I thought people were more intelligent in their judgements.

Javid Shah! 

Amir Parviz

I talked to a guy last night who knows Jebhe Melli people everywhere. He says even though he pretends on this site Kazemzadeh is not considered one of them because some have accused him in the past of being on the payroll of the IRI. He is what he accuses.

Javid Shah!

Kazemzadeh

It is apparently an open secret that you are a mozdur of a group who supports the IRI. Everyone I talked to about you say the same thing. You may think you are a big man and hotshot on this site but you are a nobody where it counts. And you are nobody because you are well-known as an IRI agent pretending to be something else. Even the real Jebhe Melli people in Europe don't give you the time of the day. Why haven't they invited you to their celebrations for Mossadegh? Because you are not well respected. That is why. Other than Amir Parviz, Roger Rabbit, Siavash and a few other people the readers of this site are mostly morons.

Javid Shah! Marg bar mozduran jomhurie eshali!

Putins views on Syria Yesterday

Mr Putin, however, questioned calls for the Syrian president to quit.

"Why are we thinking that if we push the current leadership
from power, then tomorrow general wellbeing will begin there," Mr Putin
said.

"What is happening in Libya? What is happening in Iraq? Has
it become safer there? We propose to act in an accurate, balanced manner
at least in Syria."

He said the most important thing was to prevent the worst-case scenario of civil war.

LOOKS LIKE SOME VERY POWERFUL PEOPLE ARE AWARE OF THE USE OF ANTI-SECULAR EXTREMISTS WISELY LOOKING AT THE ROAD AHEAD AND LOOKING AT LIBYA, IRAQ, IRAN. 

WHO'S PATH IS BETTER FOR SYRIANS & THEIR HUMAN RIGHTS????  THOSE WHO SUPPORT EXTREMISTS, LIKE THE USA/UK/FRANCE WHILE HYPOCRITICALLY VILIFYING ASSAD.

...OR THOSE WHO ARE CLINGING TO ASSAD RUSSIA/CHINA, A LEADER WHO IN THE LAST 14 MONTHS HAS SHOWN A FAR BETTER MURDER AND TORTURE RATE THAN THE USA/UK/FRANCE.

Forgetting Assad for a moment, Isn't it an easy question, from the stand point of the syrian people?

MK be specific, not general

How do I support Khamenei specifically?

The Democratic Opposition is what Reza Pahlavi has been promoting for 33 years, I agree that all must first unite to remove IRI and choose the form of Iranian govt only by having a free and fair election monitored by the UN is held in iran.

The USA doesn't deserve my support with its policy against the late shah and in favor of the IRI or its action of calling the persian gulf the Arabian Gulf, what kind of a pro-democracy ally is that, nor the UK for Obvious reasons of also betraying the late shah, tying the hands of opponents of Khamenie, not to mention calling the Iranian or Persian Section of the Victoria and Albert Museum in London "Islamic Art" (their art isn't christian, its english, but ours is islamic??? )

I don't support Assad, i support anyone that fights against anti-secular extremists, so why support JM that helped extremists into power in Iran, and I especially oppose any power that arms and funds extremists...like the usa/france/uk/.

Of course as a Monarchist I'm going to attack a bunch of people that supported Khomeini like JM and betrayed our democratic king who was one of the most democratic leaders in iranian national history by serving the needs of the majority above the needs of the few and helping create the largest middle class growth in the world.  

Disproving you on my part is easy, I invite you to the next meeting of Monarchists in Kensington, if you don't show up in order to check up on me or send a friend in London that you trust to check up on me, it shows you are not worth the time and begs the question which people are you working for????? 

Being sick of USA policy makes one an IRI agent in your mind????? 

Your Personalized attacks are undemocratic your accusations are merely Pathetic.

mousa67 you know too little about iran and the issues

to even know what you are saying.  And the Impact it has.  No One more than the people of iran, especially monarchists want to see the IRI brought to justice for its grave and documented crimes against the Iranian people.  Today Iranians are being brutally treated by the racist thugs in power, with absolute injustice, backed by yet more lies intended to malicously harm even more innocent victims....

however, the solution is very easy.  All the USA & Israel would need to do is to stop pursuing the policy the Europeans gave them of supporting extremists like mek, muslim brotherhood and the IRI itself and take an honest look at why the west betrayed the late shah in the first place and then untie the hands of the people of Iran to go after the highly unpopular IRI itself.

But alas there is no discussion of this, giving the people a chance to remove the extremist IRR and there is only talk of attacking the Iranian people, the very victims beng brutalized.  Don't you think this is strange?????

It is because the USA policy and Israeli as aproxy are not opposed to bringing extremism to power, that is because the USA thinks it can handle a policy of Africanization of the middle east. 

That is why this article was put up by me, to remind the niave that infact it is possible the USA is using extremists who are killing innocent Syrians to get people to oppose Assad.  However in order to fool the people of Syria that it is Assad and not US backed terrorists like in 1979, it has to create Absolute propaganda lead by the entire world media of all its allies.

FYI this will not work and its not working on this site, except among those with a Nowkar beliefs, waiting to see what America says they should think as the media has 24/7/365 misinformed people on every angle of this important subject.

Zia

Zia,

In my opinion you and APFSM are agents of the IRI pretending to be monarchists.  Both of you support issues that benefits Khamenei.   On the side, you also attack the main democratic opposition.  You propagate and spread hatred against the enemies of IRI (the U.S., opponents of Asad, JM, etc).  Both of you support Assad the ally of IRI, and spread lies that benefits the IRI.

This shows that the IRI considers the support for Asad as vital for IRI.  You also outed yourself without getting much milage out of your nefarious activities.

The readers of this site are smart, and would not fall for the dirty tricks of the agents of the IRI's Ministry of Intelligence like you and APFSM.

:-)

Didn't GWB bragged about "bring it on"..

و چندی بعدش به گوه خوردن و غلط کردن افتاد؟

'Hambastegi' is the main key to victory 

Mehrdad

i though "Z" stood for "Zahra" not "Zia". LOL

it is very, very, very sad that those syrian kids were murdered by cowardly basijis of khameni & ahmadinejad working hand in hand with syrian shia murderers. but it looks like the way it is going, these innocent blood will be revenged by the blood of (i hope) tens of thousands of cowardly basijis who could not run away to london in time, before US & israeli missiles start flying their way.

Yes, bring it on baby, bring it on.

Juan Cole reminds me of RT authors, but the USA version

An author with ideas linked to serving bigger powers interest that the CIA serves also, the cia which works on the ground to create stories to support the policies.

On Muslim brother hood, mek, al quaeda etc these are funded and supported to spread ectremism, not progress and development, like the shahs Iran did for Iranians.

How to stop Western Unity regarding M.E. that has the IRI safe and secure in Iran, is spreading extremism everywhere for all the objectives tyranny helps them achieve?  The sad part is none of those I label nowkar are agents of anyone or aware of the deadly deceits and manipulations they are partiipating in or have swallowed with out question.

Vildemose the news is really not serving me, you or humanity

juancole isn't exactly shooting straight, nor the bbc, foxnews, IRI etc.  Though certain facts are really impossible to hide, footprints, detailed evidences, precise time of death, location etc etc.  this could be as simple as a syrian general being brutal or it could be convoluted.

Not being aware of how you are being used as a patsy doesn't help in my communication with you, the only honest advice I can give you is to meet with people, americans, who are working for the secret service of the usa and without giving you any detailed information are allowed to tell you about the extent to which their jobs are to make the news and stories we read to follow a certain path in order to allow their state/foreign offices be able to conduct the countries foreign policies.

Regarding the Iran of the 1970's, what we Iranians discovered in the 1980's was that a few of Irans top trusted Iranian generals were, without soul or morals, working for the west and preying on good iranians under their command. No names mentioned.  These people could easily act on other peoples orders in a war to incriminate and agitate the population and commit crimes.  So on the convoluted end, if a syrian official is linked to givng the order, then he also needs to be fully investigated before a conclusion can be made. So this is what I mean by waiting for information to come out. 

Anyone that knows what is going on for sure and instantly acts as the USA and west have done, means any intelligent person with experience in these positions has to be totally suspicious of how do they know for sure, do they have people on the ground planning activitles, were they innocently responding or active?  And that is the heart of the matter what is wrong with Iranians on such an important issue to listen to a blatant hypocrit power the USA and have no suspicions there and keep posting articles we read.  At this point None of us know for sure, but those who are Iranian Sell outs are like the 1970's busy standing in line waiting to listen to what the USA/UK tells them to think and follow according.

I define such thinkers Nowkar Amrica, Nowkar Engelis, If you care about Iran, stop others from falling into the Nowkar Trap, instead of posting artcles that helps manufacture them.  Instead of seeing others as friends (US) or enemies (Russia) as all depending on their behavior towards Iranians, All and west included need to earn from us, we must not just follow them in their plans for the middle east just because they say one thing "human rights and democracy" and act to deiiver mossadegh, khomeini, rape, poverty, brutality, backwardness.

Harfamo migiri

This doesn't worry or bother anyone?

That the Muslim Brotherhood is everywhere in this conflict in Syria? Have people forgotten the role of this organization in toppling the Shah in '79 and destroying our country?!? How stupid can some people get around here?!?

I say more power to Assad and the Syrian government in going after these dirty Islamist Muslim Brotherhood scum!

  Egypt's Brotherhood

Published Monday, May 28, 2012

Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood called on Arab and other world powers on Monday to militarily intervene in Syria after 108 people were killed in the town of Houla in an attack it blamed on President Bashar Assad's forces.

Images of the bloodied bodies of children and others slain in Houla have shocked the world and highlighted the challenge of a six-week-old UN-backed ceasefire to stop the violence in the 14-month uprising against Assad's rule.

 //english.al-akhbar.com/content/egypts-brotherhood-calls-intervention-syria

All Oppression Creates a State of War--Simone De Beauvoir

Juan Cole

//www.counterpunch.org/2011/08/30/meet-professor-juan-cole-consultant-to-the-cia/

Syria

Syrian government forces may or may not have been responsible for the
killing of 108 civilians at Houla. Witness accounts point to militias
that may have been acting independently of the Syrian government. One
account describes the killings as
avenging a rebel sectarian attack on an Alawite village. All the same,
no witness account has been independently verified. The events are, in
the words of a UN monitor, “murky”.

The US government,
nevertheless, has reached far beyond the evidence to blame the Syrian
government for the atrocity, a brazenly hypocritical public relations
assault on Syria. In light of the serial massacre of hundreds of
Pakistani and Afghan civilians, including children, by US drone strikes,
the US government has no credibility as a self-appointed champion of
the innocent.

Examining the conflict with reference to US
foreign policy goals, and the objectives of other parties, it is likely
that the Assad government’s opponents are depending on armed conflict
and the exploitation of the public relations opportunities the conflict
provides to meet their goal of regime change.

Damascus, on the
other hand, has more to gain from working out a modus vivende with its
internal opposition than trying to win a shooting war with armed rebels
that have the backing of the formidable diplomatic and material
resources of the United States and wealthy Gulf petro-monarchies.
//gowans.wordpress.com/2012/05/30/the-houla-massacre/

 SYRIA: Killing Innocent Civilians as part of a US Covert Op. Mobilizing Public Support for a R2P War against Syria

 //www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=31122

Assad talks about Muslim Brotherhood in 1982

 //www.youtube.com/watch?v=dR8uX3NuOxg

Pity he didn't completely wipe them all out when he had the chance in 1982. The Shah should've done what Hafez al-Assad did in 1982: shell these animals to kingdom come.

  Diehard Militia who 

Diehard Militia who  kill in the name of ASSAD

//www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/may/31/ghosts-syria-regime-shabiha-militias

This piece on the Shabiha– the Assad regime’s murderous thugs implicated in the Houla massacre– is worth reading. It includes some interesting information about their ties to Syrian business interests:

As Syria retreated from Lebanon in 2005 and warmed to the west, it lumbered towards a dysfunctional kind of market economy. The result was to hand power to a new kind of businessman, usually Sunni, who managed to forge links with the Alawite-dominated clique that controls the tentacles of Syria’s security state.

As profit moved away from smuggling and towards more legitimate business interests, a small core of well-connected operators grabbed control of industries, equipment, franchises and car dealerships – one of the central complaints of ordinary Syrians as the uprising has gathered momentum in the last year.

It’s these same businessmen, many of them Sunni and not Alawite, who are now quietly passing money to the shabiha, mainly to protect their lucrative business privileges, but also to keep their political sponsors happy.
…..
Some blue-chip firms in the west, which have been doing business in Assad’s “modernising” Syria over the past decade, should also be getting nervous. In August last year one Damascus opposition activist presented a Guardian journalist with a list of the main business benefactors of the shabiha, put together on the basis of confidential conversations with Damascus businessmen. On it were men who had earned their money as exclusive agents, dealers or franchise holders of named blue-chip British, Japanese, German car companies. It is some of these profits that are being ploughed back into Syria’s unofficial, paramilitary killing machine.

All Oppression Creates a State of War--Simone De Beauvoir

 Famine and Civil

 Famine and Civil War

//www.juancole.com/2012/05/syria-famine-and-civil-war.html

//www.juancole.com/2012/05/syria-famine-and-civil-war.html

All Oppression Creates a State of War--Simone De Beauvoir

Kazemzadeh

Every real monarchist I know blames the revolution of '79 on the Americans and the Brits that they orchestrated it. If they did it to the Shah they would do it to everyone else who has ever gotten close to them as well. What are you yapping on about calling amirparvizforsecularmonarchy an agent of the IRI?!? Maybe you yourself are an agent of the IRI and are trying to deflect attention from the fact.

And besides you Jebhe Melli traitors brought Khomeini to power in '79! Go to hell.

Javid Shah!

vildemose you call this reporting? Why keep posting

Info that shows the exact opposite of what is suppose to be alleged.

//www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-182745...

We already know artillary was used. As some of dead were killed by artillary.  We also know that the military were within kilometers of those killed.  The words "Reported Shabiha position" means reported by opposition fighters who's nationalities are not even disclosed.

This itself is conclusive proof of Bias.  For a few reasons... 1) There is no gleaming evidence here that the Syrian army, were not fighting opposition fighters and 2) who did the killing. 3) were syrian forces under attacks or not? 

Ridiculous to imply based on this document that the allegations from the Syrian Army side is impossible/not plausible.  That opposition fighters could not have killed innocent civilians.

To suggest that Opposition fighters could not have killed so many people under the noses of Syrian forces is an insult to the intelligence of even a teenager that knows more based on video games.  The US Army had thousands of Shia and Sunni Killing each other within a few hundred meters of US Forces and they could not even stop the civili war that was going on in Baghdad, with total control of the sky and 50,000 soldiers and then to make such a piece of so called "News" is really a work of bias and misinformation.  The foreign supported militas only stopped when they finally paid Sadr to stop fighting, leave and withdraw his militia.

The thing is, there are real pieces of Information that no one will be able to conceal in an investigation, small clues that will let us know if this was carried out by a dozen syrian soldiers under orders or by a militia or by the opposition.  The Syrians could prevent the necessary investigation, but that would totally undermine their credibility so I doubt they will.  The images don't conclusively disprove the Syrian allegations and that is very important part beyond the info.  

yeah sure amir1973, thats called delusion

Am I still off on the identities of the dead or am I right that the west has jumped to conclusions before having solid info?

No source disputes that houla was assaulted by syrian army not even the syrian army. The syrian army disputes that their forces were in the area where civilians were killed and disputes that its forces carried it out.  And at this point in time there isn't even independently accepted accounts of the political sympathies of those killed.