"Ask not what Iranians can do for Iran, but what you can do to make America (or Israel) do things for Iranians."
-A Speech by King of Kings Fred the Peacock and Former Chicken, Who Calls Those Who Disagree With Him, BUGGERS. Classy and witty, he is on the frontlines of fighting for democracy and educating with taste and tact, why Iranians in Iran are incapable of getting rid of a bad regime. If you don't think that democracy can be served fast-food style, then you are not patient (HA!), but according to Fred actually a bugger, mullah worshipper communist who probably smokes too much weed.
I am intrigued by Fred's love affair with the magical gift that American action can bestow on undemocratic, tyrannical nations densely populated by Muslims. He actually compares this possibility to what America "did" for Europe during WW II. Did you know they themselves wrote constitutions guaranteeing health care for all citizens while Americans are threatening secession if health care passes? You see, dear Iranian cattle, Europe does not owe to itself what happened after the war. The credit is due entirely to America, and should the great shaytan repeat such an allied offense, well it will be a non stop, one way monorail ride to democracy, freedom, and no more thumb printing at airports!
Before you get out your crayons and markers to write the new constitution, realize that most Americans do not view us as worthy or capable of partnership. In fact, there has never really been a trustworthy partnership. Sometimes we had leaders who were so dependent on the US, that once the US took that paternalistic attitude to the toilet, as our beloved James Carter did following the failure of the island of stability, we turned into save dwellers who jump over fires and threaten Israel, while letting facial hair grow to the ground (even some women!).
I don't think that we Iranians should deny this winning lottery ticket should Fred's sponsors deliver it to us. We will be free as Europe to draft treaties and constitutions, elect freely, and debate honestly, without fear of finding family members face down in the caspian. It will be a sweet deal and you can guarantee that your grandchildren, and their grandchildren will be ever grateful for these blogs and demands for neo-conservative policies to "help" Iran. Democracy and freedom are not free and until American blood is spilled for Iranian democracy, we can't expect our rights and freedoms as Iranians.
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Midwesty
by kharmagas on Mon Dec 07, 2009 06:10 PM PST"I believe in independet thinking. I guess that doesn't make me a good follower. On the other hand they've said a good leader is also a good follower, so ..I won't make a good leader either. Is that where you were heading to?"
No, philisoof! I just asked you a simple question.
Marge,
by Midwesty on Mon Dec 07, 2009 06:04 PM PSTIn my career I have always tried to bring the American jobs back to America despite of what the greedy corporations want, so that does cut well with me.
I've been in China. Fancy restaurants, cars and T-shirts don't bring a bit of bravery that Chinese have lost during past 100 years as a result of oppression.
I still put my bet on America since it is built from ground up on genuine ideas not fancy imitations.
BTW it is bad to mix Palestine w/Iran issues but mixing West ok!
by Anonymouse on Mon Dec 07, 2009 06:02 PM PSTEverything is sacred.
ok midwesty senior patriot abroad
by I Have a Crush on Alex Trebek on Mon Dec 07, 2009 05:54 PM PSTi love you and i wish you well in the world and internet surfing. zaijian (that's bye bye in chinese, which according to Faramarz Fateh is the new world master nation. better learn while you can! otherwise you'll be making those USA tshirts in chinese sweat shops)
Marge,
by Midwesty on Mon Dec 07, 2009 05:50 PM PSTOk, I go with the option two then.
Kharmagas,
by Midwesty on Mon Dec 07, 2009 05:48 PM PSTI believe in independet thinking. I guess that doesn't make me a good follower. On the other hand they've said a good leader is also a good follower, so ..I won't make a good leader either. Is that where you were heading to?
Midwesty, i don't care what you believe
by I Have a Crush on Alex Trebek on Mon Dec 07, 2009 05:49 PM PSTUnlike you, i'm not concerned with what others believe of me - I wasn't trying to make ANYONE believe that "i'm just curious". I wanted to know whether anyone had friends who confronted this issue. My call was to artists and friends/family of artists. But you, inspector, figured out my agenda. Bravo!
I'm here to be free, friendly and fair. You on the other hand, just want to accuse me. If it is your fun and patriotism, then by all means, continue!!! You make this opposition look like bumbling morons, but it's your right.
Marge jaan u should start a political class and teach the abc's!
by Anonymouse on Mon Dec 07, 2009 05:47 PM PSTYou don't need my defense. I'd only like to urge you to teach some more abc's of how not to screw over your own country. Better yet, why every country deserves to be master of their own destiny.
Considering this blog, political 101 and above suggestion political 102, then in political 103 you can teach the students that how trying to save their own sorry ass of a life in western countries before they get too old, is a sorry excuse for calling their elongated rantings as anything political. As a class project you can ask the students to go to a salon, get a new look and see how they'd feel!
Then in political 104 and for their pre graduation essay, they can write about why the Iranian regime should one day be dismantled by the Iranians themselves! Those who fail your class will then have to massage each other's foot for 2 weeks!
Everything is sacred.
Marge,
by Midwesty on Mon Dec 07, 2009 05:45 PM PSTYou are smarter than to be reminded of:
har sokhan jaee o har nokteh makani darad...
If your approach was to critique his art you could choose a better place under a better timing and topic.
I am afraid you tried to depict Makhmalbaf as the icon for the green movement then by posing "innocent questions" (that we all know how they influence the reader's mind, wink,wink) tried to bring him down along the green movement.
Am I right?
Or you are just trying to entertain yourself?
Midwesty
by kharmagas on Mon Dec 07, 2009 05:47 PM PSTAre you a supporter of Sazegara and/or Makhmalbaf?
Marge, they are two and too different ... although the are both very pro sanction.
One more thing about that IRI that I work for
by I Have a Crush on Alex Trebek on Mon Dec 07, 2009 05:39 PM PSTThey will crumble and fall, but it won't be ANY thanks to you or your chest pounding about spies and agents. It doens't take a genius to figure out that everything from population, culture, generation and history are against the IRI and its goals. In the name of God, no nation ever succeeds.... even America, sadly.
Wow Midwesty.... yes I'm sure that ONE comment would kill
by I Have a Crush on Alex Trebek on Mon Dec 07, 2009 05:34 PM PSTthe entire movement and those who support it. LOL. There isn't really a place to discuss artists in Iran outside Iran other than here. However these days, this site is the echo chamber for a bunch of cowardly inspector clouseaus like you, Masoud and Fred John. I still love you dearly. You are my fellow Iranian and sadly, this is part of our story.
Marge,
by Midwesty on Mon Dec 07, 2009 05:30 PM PST"I wanted to know whether anyone had heard about Makhmalbaf's curious
suppression of other film makers in Iran and his ways of blocking them".
And you want us to believe that you were just curious and not using Monroe's Persuasive Technique?
Baba dast marizad..inghadar ham keh to fekr mikoni ma khar nisteem.
kharmagas... do you think....
by I Have a Crush on Alex Trebek on Mon Dec 07, 2009 05:27 PM PSTKazemzadeh has Fred as an alter ego to prevent the sick tripe he has written to some people to not be signed to his name? I suspect this. I might be wrong and I don't have proof. It's not like there is a shortage of the Fred/ Masoud Kazemzadeh prototype in USA politics. However, have you noticed that this guy suddenly popped up on my blogs after I wrote a funny fake speech about Fred? I think each of these characters suffer an identity crisis.
Pro sanction Kazemzadeh
by kharmagas on Mon Dec 07, 2009 05:26 PM PSTKazemzadeh, you and Fred are opponent of the regime all right, but you are also traitors because of your pro sanction i.e., pro war, views. Progressive greens such as Dr. Sahimi are also opponents of the regime but are vehemently against sanctions ...., as I have told you before (as anonym7) ideologically I have more similarity with you, but politically I consider you a traitor, and prefer to support the progressive greens.
Anonymouse
by I Have a Crush on Alex Trebek on Mon Dec 07, 2009 05:22 PM PSTThank you for writing in defense of me. I really think that when it comes to this point of accusing without facts, reaching conclusions without any evidence, abandoning the inductive reasoning that has a lot to do with his profession (don't laugh kharmagas. be nice), someone has nothing to really CONtribute.
Anyway I signed my false confession for this Professor a la Mode Basij.
Midwesty jaan we have newer, more fun slogans than Rodney King!
by Anonymouse on Mon Dec 07, 2009 05:19 PM PSTEverything is sacred.
Masoud, I pity you... I really do. Are you really an academic?
by I Have a Crush on Alex Trebek on Mon Dec 07, 2009 05:19 PM PSTYou are more like the IRI than you think. I did not attack Makhmalbaf. I asked a question on a site that reaches the most Iranians anywhere. I wanted to know whether anyone had heard about Makhmalbaf's curious suppression of other film makers in Iran and his ways of blocking them. These actions are completely nothing to do with IRI or politics, but have more to do with anti-competition.
I think he is a good man to use his fame to "get out the word" about the green movement or whatever you like to call it without sounding too "agenty" or "spy-ish".
I like his films and I think his daughter Samira is beautiful and talented. Get a life Masoud. A better one.
Anonymouse
by Masoud Kazemzadeh on Mon Dec 07, 2009 05:10 PM PSTAnonymouse
You say that you support the Green movement? Marge and kharmagas are attacking Makhmalbaf and Sazegara.
In YOUR opinion, if someone day in and day out:
* attacks any and all opponents of Khamenei and Ahmadinejad
* is silent on the crimes of the IRI
* repeats EXACT words of Ministry of Intelligence, the Show Trials, and Keyhan and call ANYONE who opposes the IRI stooges of the US, Zionist, MKO outside Iran (and monafegh inside Iran)
* say "she" is a communist, but has NOT mentioned one single real Iranian communist organization that "he" supports, nor posted one elamieh of any Iranian communist organization, but they do in fact attack any and all opposition groups.
The ONLY rational explanation of Marge’s behavior is that this person is working for the IRI and is pretending to be a communist and then attack any and all opponents of the reactionary misogynist fundamentalist regime.
The goal: to fool naive leftists to use them as useful idiots for the interests of the fundamentalist regime.
I hope this is helpful.
Best,
Masoud
Anonymouse jan,
by Midwesty on Mon Dec 07, 2009 05:10 PM PSTMy Point:
GET ALONG PEOPLE....saty away from labeling each other...that's what exactly IRI hardliners have been doing.
Masoud jan,
by Midwesty on Mon Dec 07, 2009 05:05 PM PSTI am with you but I'd like to give the benefit of doubt to everyone. Nevertheless we are all Iranians. I've seen the most radical hardliners who were at one point unbend-able, untouchable, and unapproachable but they've changed, The prime example is Makhmalbaf himself who was a leftist at one point, was jailed, then got out as a "tavvab "(god knows how many people he sold, as a general rule, because the attribute of tavvab was usually equated to someone who exposed his comrades). Then he became a hardliner bashing leftists and MKOs with the harshest media to become a very powerful propaganda tool for the hardliners.
Now he is here. Has he changed? Of course. I think he is geniunly changed.
I think labeling people will not be an effective tool to make a united front. We should have the doors of our minds open to everyone.
So what's your point Midwesty jaan? What should non-westys do?
by Anonymouse on Mon Dec 07, 2009 04:50 PM PSTIt seem we can't originate geniune ideas and take it and move on with it without worrying what other people think about.
That's not what green movement in Iran, those demonstrating in the streets these days are worried about. This is the point of this blog that some people at i.com are worried about what west is thinking about and trying to influence it, in their wildest dreams. And here comes Marge to present a genuine idea of her own and amuse us in the process.
Just like when Tiger Woods' Gal #2 came along with her own genuine idea and released Tiger's voice message for our amusement. Although, no disrespect to Marge! But in the midst of the open collar chest hair showing patriot men at i.com, genuine options are limited!
What are you saying in the midst of all this?!
Everything is sacred.
Natalia, Midwesty, and KoroushS
by Masoud Kazemzadeh on Mon Dec 07, 2009 04:47 PM PSTNatalia jaan,
Yes (and no). The pro-democracy movement in Iran will go forward. It has been going on for more than 100 years. We can help it or we can hinder it. The pro-democracy forces do their best to help the Iranian inside. The supporters of the fundamentalist regime do their best to attack the opponents of the regime and prolong the rule of the ruling tyranny, which is what Marge, Botsheakn, and Anon7/kharmagas have been doing.
Best,
MK
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Midwesty jaan,
It was NOT the content of one post or the timing. It is the pattern of activity for a long time. Only a fool would fall for the notion that a female communist, thousands of whom have been imprisoned, tortured, and RAPED by the fundamentalist regime would spend ALL "her" time attacking those who oppose the reactionary misogynist regime!!!!!!!
1. Who accuses the opponents of the fundamentalist regime for being tools of the US? Answer is Ministry of Intelligence, IRGC, Shariatmadari’s Keyhan, Basij.
2. Who spreads rumors against Green leaders?
Here is what Marge wrote on Makhmalbaf:
//iranian.com/main/2009/dec/makhmalbaf-iranians-want-democracy-peace
i have heard that makhmalbaf is a bit mafioso himself
by I Have a Crush on Alex Trebek on Sun Dec 06, 2009 06:59 AM PST
this is great and all, but relating to mr. makhmal, i've heard that he is very shall we say, controlling when it comes to sharing the film market with other iranians. of course, it could be a vicious rumor.
this is what kharmagas wrote about Makhmalbaf:
old crooks, new color
by kharmagas on Sun Dec 06, 2009 02:02 PM PST
mA khar nemishavim!
*************
In conclusion, when a few characters day in and day out attack ANYONE critical of Khamenei and Ahmadinejad, then we have ask WHY. It is the modus operandi of the regime to label the opponents of Khamenei and Ahmadinejad as tools of the U.S. If anyone reads the Keyhan, IRNA, Fars News Agency, then he or she could easily see the similar words used by Marge, kharmagas in attacking opponents of the regime.
best,
MK
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KoroushS,
Throwing the labels of neo-con, Zionist, US stooge, MKO, monarchist are the tactics of the fundamentalist regime and its supporters. The regime uses these words even for its khodi who criticized the election such as Moussavi and Karrubi. The IRI agents are throwing these labels at ALL those who oppose Khamenei and Ahmadinejad. The IRI agents call the Green students these labels, they call JM these nonsense.
Marge and kharmagas are merely doing what their bosses in Tehran do: attack ANYONE who opposes Khamenei and Ahmadinejad. These include Makhmalbaf, Sazegara, Moussavi, Karrubi, JM, Daftar Tahkim Vahdat. These are LIES that Ministry of Intelligence and Keyhan and Marge spread. Only fools fall for these lies and tactics.
Marge was quite successful in fooling the naive leftists to use them as useful idiots. What the pro-democracy activists can do is to provide information.
Best,
MK
The reason I was asking why...
by Midwesty on Mon Dec 07, 2009 04:41 PM PSTis because, as you noticed, IRI and very much all Iranians have a sensitive and reactionary attitude towards the West's action. It seem we can't originate genuine ideas and take it and move on with it without worrying what other people think about us. The number of vere-iss-my-vott signs outnumbered the demo attendees and the Basijis were more trained to pose for the camera rather than how properly shove the batons up on the people's alley.
So when a pansey-style-underwear-wearing-courageous-and-chest-pumping-"patriots" gets on our confused-flip-floppy-white-washing-white-lying-take-it-easy-dude nerve then we bash-and-hash every-pre-k-potty-trained-hoohoo-tala in the first row just because he made us a bit uncomfortable.
Why bombing may not be the right way ahead.
by بت شکن on Mon Dec 07, 2009 03:52 PM PSTSomething that many comenters tend to ignore here is that the "victim" in every Iranian's soul need to be watered from time to time by the blood of themselves - not the others. Think about it.
Midwesty - Again, I'm an agent!
by I Have a Crush on Alex Trebek on Mon Dec 07, 2009 01:28 PM PSTOf course it is the timing, not the idea that matters. Of course yea ok. Now I'm off to another site to plant more IRI love mail. I hope I get my Christmas bonus in time for the Mercedes Benz winter event!
ananymouse
by KouroshS on Mon Dec 07, 2009 12:31 PM PSTIt is a totally absurd notion to conclude that anyone is even remotely interested in such a scenario to take shape, sepcially given how The US is mired in its own domestic issues.
Do you really think that anyone far high up in the chain of commands is sitting pretty waiting to see what is coming to him from any Iranian Lobby groups, Legit or Illegit? It is an issue that they deal with when the time is right and i think it is fodder in the hands of those who are hell bent on accusing certain people of being advocates of invading iran.
Anonymouse
by IRANdokht on Mon Dec 07, 2009 12:14 PM PSTI enjoyed reading your comment very much! Just thought I should tell you... :o)
IRANdokht
Why Midwesty jaan? Why ask why?
by Anonymouse on Mon Dec 07, 2009 12:09 PM PSTYou tell me why are you asking why and I'll answer your question.
Me first. The reason is because while the regime is "trying hard to draw a connection between 16-azar movement and the West" our i.com scholars and pansey-style-underwear-wearing-courageous-and-chest-pumping-"patriots" find the situation ripe to encourage the West to start an attack on Iran since the situation is out of control and fluid. I believe Saddam had the same idea when he started the war in 1980. Right?
So while I whole heartedly would like to embarass the Iranian regime at every chance and at every venue, I draw the line when it comes to asking for foreign interventions that has already happened to two of Iran's neighbors. Even a toddler who has just graduated from potty training knows this much about political science of his or her country.
Everything is sacred.
Anonymouse jan, Marg jan,
by Midwesty on Mon Dec 07, 2009 11:39 AM PST"Before you get out your crayons and markers to write the new constitution, realize that most Americans do not view us as worthy or capable of partnership".
Isn't this stating the obvious? It is obvious to me maybe it is not to some.
But why now you are writing about this, where IRI is trying hard to draw a connection between 16-Azar movement and the West.