Sic Semper Tyrannis

AO

i read oktaby's comment. it just wiggles around to try and dismiss the facts we have before us. it's like saying: 'prove it to me', and then dismissing the only available sources of data.

and my last comment answers some of his points too.

Right on Vildemose

couldn't agree more.

Capt

Tell me which one these facts are wrong, and we'll talk:

Before the 1979 devolution, Iran had female judges.  After the devolution, a woman's testimony in worth half that of a man, which really makes women half humans in the eyes of IRI's laws.  before the devolution, a woman in a divorce and custody proceedings had the right to ask for custody of her children, now custody of children automatically goes to the husband which, in turn, is an implicit threat against a woman who wants to file for a divorce.  Thus, many women have to endure abusive husbands just for the sake of keeping their children.  Next, when it comes to inheritance, a woman's share is half of her siblings and is subsequent in right to her father's brother.  Subsequent to the devolution, Iranian women have been beaten, jailed and abused if their "hejab" is not what the IRI dictates it to be.

PS/ You really needs "links" for these facts?!!!! 

Yeah, Sure ,

Have you ever entertained the idea of becoming a stand up comedian .... LOL

AO

The fact that so many defenders of radical Islam are now moaning about monstrous Khomeini means we are rattling the right cages. It  appears that all of them  to be a total nonentity with delusions of grandeur when it comes to describing the accomplishments of  their endorsed state mafia.

AO

2x2 = 4 ..... there is no other context to it.

Show me the link to your argument, otherwise I am out.

-YT 

Final word on this thread

Hass had the best assessment and he ain't no Iranian.

-YT 

Captain

I said you use facts out of the proper context, and I provided you with the context in which those statistics should be looked at.  I have nothing else to add. I have a strange feeling that I am the subject of safsateh at this point.

PS/ the only people who "crap" on the people of Iran are those who attribute the normal course of a society's development to an incompetent and despotic regime.  

Niloufar

Oktaby responded to hass' comment.  Please read Oktaby's comment.

No Fear

I'll break my own rule and respond to you once more:

Khomeini was a Ba'athist agent by the same standard that all IRI opponents outside of Iran are labeled as "American agents".  In fact, the Ayatooleh was housed, fed and prepped for the take over of Iran from Iraq for more than a decade by the Ba'athists.  This is at the same time that Iraq's own Shia clerics were being brutally oppressed.  How was Khomeini allowed to give speeches, write books and send tapes to Iran under those circumstances is not a mystery.   The Ba'athists wanted something from him, and that was the overthrow of their powerful nemesis, the Shah.  And that's what Khomeini delivered.  Now add to that the fact that the first thing that the Ayatooleh Hendizadeh did was to gut the Iranian military, allowing Saddam to attack.

Now I know that your small brain cannot digest all of this information, but please feel free to consult one of IRI's nuts and sluts who troll this site to assist you with processing of this information. 

AO

You accused me of misrepresenting and distorting the numbers that I had provided solid source for them.

Kindly , I did not ask for you to answer my question with another question. I humbly asked for you to provide substantiated data so I could educate this [hamal and uneducated] darya navard.

Too much to ask ?

-YT << Uneducated and hamal Darya Navard

Chi begam vala............... Stop cr@pping on your people just because you do not  like f#@king hokomat, neither do I.

Ayhab, this is useless

only people blinded by hate (by definition un-objective) make these sweeping statements like: "nothing good happens under IRI" or "everything under Shah was better", or even their exact opposites. Statistics (in spite of biased anti-Iran sources) are clear about improvements in a number of fields some of which you mentioned: women's achievement, education, scientific output, GDP, exports, income distribution, rural health care, etc.

Jews, Armenians and religious minorities have official representation which they never had in the 5000 year history of Iran.

There are good arguments that can be made with rational people about what the system's strengths and weaknesses are and what can be improved or is not improvable. What the faults of IRI are and what the strength of the Monarchy was, etc. But there is no rational discussion with extremist absolutists who do not want to grant the slightest level of objectivity, even to published statistics.

These days, I frequently get called by American friends, some officials even (you would be surprised who) and they want to evaluate the merits of people who make statements about Iran. They want to know who to listen to with regards to Iran. I always say stay away from absolutists, they are not interested in the truth, only to repeat their own irrational ideology. A good litmus test is the statement of this blog.

Shab Khosh.

AO

Hass named you a few, and you simply dismissed them. it is not as simple as that. the comment was:

"You don't have to like the IRI to admit that they did in fact take care
of the poor in Iran. The average Iranian now lives longer, is far more
likely to be literate (especially women) has far better access to clean
water, electricity, roads, medical care than ever before. Under-5
mortality for children in Iran in 1980 was 130. By 2005 it was 38 and
was falling further. Currently, Iran's Human Development Index stands at
88th in the world, placing it high on the "medium developed" nations
list. From 1975 through 1980 Iran's Human Development Index remained
stagnant at 0.569. By 1990 it was up to 0.693, and in 2002 it was 0.732.
According to the World Development Indicators 2001, women make up 26
percent of the workforce. In 1975, it was 19 percent."

there is even a 5-year trend analysis during the shah's reign in there. so the 'baseline' argument is false too.

the human development indicators rose despite sanctions and war, neither of which the regime initiated. no matter what you may claim, saddam invaded iran, and the us-led axis initiated sanctions.

of course iran could have done better. you can say that about any country. but i think your 'one good thing' challenge has been answered, no?

Peace

Satisfactory answer?

 AO,

How could anyone convince a person like you who believes Khomeini was a Baathist agent from Iraq, with a satisfactory answer is beyond me.

You have reduce logical reasoning down to the same level of intelligence possessed by a flea.

Maybe other hicks and ticks can give you a satisfactory answer.

That is why I love you so much[brotherly ofcourse]

I am all ears......... I mean all EYES

-YT 

Captain

are my assessments about the rights of women in Iran wrong?  if yes, please tell me how they are wrong?  if they are not wrong, then please no more safsateh-- and please answer these questions:    How do you reconcile the rise in education rates with the social and legal inequities?   How does the rise in educated women compensate for those inequities?      

Agreed Ms. was Rosie.

Agreed Ms. was Rosie.

Captain Jan: No

Captain Jan: No problem.

Let's be honest, Let's talk about the quality of education in Iran of today vs pre-revolution. Do you really think it has improved?? I doubt that very much.

AO

[Now you're resorting to talking nonsense and accusations]

Dude I asked you to prove what you just stated, in ke dige dava naderh. All you have say is[...blank...]

Ajibe ha

-YT 

Mrs vildemose

My intention was not you, rather was the shallow and superficial characters, who admittedly by their own words, only pick few words here and there so they can bark like an astray poppies in the hopes of gaining shred of credibility.

If you so wish, I will be honored to quote form such people here, however I trust that this subject is of enough importance that we do not waste our time on proving shallowness of such unnamed characters, instead continue with our in dept dialogue of the question that is set forth by the gentleman of the blogger.

-YT 

Please don't fight.

There's not one single pro-IRI person here as far as I can see now that No Fear is busy painting the ceiling. How are you going to counter those people if you start bickering amongst yourselves?

Captain

Now you're resorting to talking nonsense and accusations--which is ironically what you always complain about.  I politely asked you very specific questions.  You apparently have no answer to those questions and therefore you get angry and engage in personal attacks.  

the premise of my blog is simple.  Tell us what accomplishments the IRI has achieved in 31 years that otherwise could not have been accomplished.  That's all.  And so far, I have yet to see a satisfactory answer. 

AO

Sorry my good man, neither you nor I are an expert to dissect those events nor are we any authority to render conclusion on the events.

In your thread , you have asked very specific question, presumably hoping that every poster would come here and cr@p on people of Iran, who have accomplished greatly despite the fact that they have been exposed to the most notorious of regimes.

Sorry that I can not allow you to pi@ss on accomplishments of women in Iran who, despite all the suppression are winners of Nobel Peace Award, Winners of best movies, winner of best books in the world, etc etc etc.

I just won't let any one's ignorance discredit accomplishments of Iranian women DESPITE the brutal suppression.

-YT 

It's sad. You don't even

It's sad. You don't even need to be subject of name calling anymore!

benross jan: thank you.

benross jan: thank you.

captain jan: I'm not name

captain jan: I'm not name calling. It's a simple fact. Just google how a research should be done on a basic level. The baseline makes a huge difference in any scientific study for the sake of comparison...it's just the way it is if you want to be taken seriously and be published in scientific journals. That's all.

Iran had some of the top real estates in New York up to 1980.

The Iranian consulate in New York was located on the 5th floor of the Rockefeller Center. The personnel there looked beautiful, sophisticated, educated, competent, and smelled good.
There were other consulates in San Fransisco, Dallas or Huston, and Chicago.
But the cream of the crop was the Iranian embassy situated on Massachusetts Ave. one of the most exclusive locations in North West Washington D.c. unlike the shit hole it is now under the "Pakistani" embassy on Wisconsin Ave.
All of these places were built and staffed properly and adequately for one and one purpose only, to serve the 250,000 students studying in America many of whom carried full scholarship.
You would figure these students would appreciate such generosity, study hard, work hard, and get the best education so that someday they would go back and serve their country.
But no, they had to be rebel without a cause and follow a clown called Ayatollah Khoomenie to their demise!
The result is the predicament you have today. Iranians are caught between a rock and a hard place. What has exasperated the situation is that both the rock and the hard place are pointy, long, and rough without any lubricants!

Captain

Read my comment again.  I explained how you present facts out of context.  I also stated facts that relate to custody, legal proceedings, forced hejab and inheritance.  

How do you reconcile the rise in education rates with the social and legal inequities?   How does the rise in educated women compensate for those inequities?  Also, how can you tell, with any degree of certainty, that there would not have been a rise in educated women if Shah remained in power--especially given the much higher status of women in pre-1979 devolution Iran?

an honest advice

Name calling and foul mouth does not subsitutie as a logical argument.

So save it. 

-YT 

Course in 101?

No I only teach 5000 level courses. Why?

-YT 

P/S 5000 level courses are post grad courses.