Sargord Pirouz

Hidden History?

Yeah, right-wing Zionists (like the Irgun and "Stern Gang") proposed collaboration with the Nazis and Italian fascists. This collaboration didn't really go anywhere, because the Nazis tended to distrust Jews and viewed these overtures somewhat warily (after all, they were rabid Anti-semites), but it wasn't for lack of effort on the part of those right-wing Zionists. After 1936, the Nazis increasingly began to oppose the establishment of a Jewish state in Palestine, since they viewed that potential state as being a future enemy of Germany (being rabid Anti-semites the Nazis viewed Jews as the eternal enemy of the German people). That's why the Nazis prohibited large scale emigration from Germany to Palestine after 1936.

It's fair to say that there were some pro-fascist movements and sentiments in most parts of the world in the 1930s, including the Mideast. In Iraq, there was the revolt of Rashid Ali al-Gaylani; in Palestine, there was the Grand Mufti; in Egypt, there was Young Egypt (Anwar Sadat joined a pro-Nazi group); in Syria/Lebanon, there was the Baath Party, Syrian Social Nationalist Party (SSNP), and Kataeb. In Iran, Reza Shah established links with Germany as a bulwark against Russian and English influence, and Germans were instrumental in helping form the rail and banking systems in the 1930s. This is not to mention pro-German groups in the U.S., Latin America, South Africa, and European countries.

Zionist colaboration with Nazis

A bit of the hidden Zionist history. This document was a proposal by the Irgun (many Israeli leaders were its members, including Tzipi Livni's parents) to enter WWII on the side of Nazis in return for Palestime, which was to be made into a satellite state of the Reich ran along the Fascist line. The document has been authenticated and published. More can be found in Lenni Brenner's books.

It is often stated in the speeches and utterances of the leading statesmen of National Socialist Germany that a prerequisite of the New Order in Europe requires the radical solution of the Jewish question through evacuation (“Jew-free Europe”).

The evacuation of the Jewish masses from Europe is a precondition for solving the Jewish question; but this can only be made possible and complete through the settlement of these masses in the home of the Jewish people, Palestine, and through the establishment of a Jewish state in its historic boundaries.

The solving in this manner of the Jewish problem, thus bringing with it once and for all the liberation of the Jewish people, is the objective of the political activity and the years-long struggle of the Israeli freedom movement, the National Military Organization (Irgun Zvai Leumi) in Palestine.

The NMO, which is well-acquainted with the goodwill of the German Reich government and its authorities towards Zionist activity inside Germany and towards Zionist emigration plans, is of the opinion that:

Common interests could exist between the establishment of a new order in Europe in conformity with the German concept, and the true national aspirations of the Jewish people as they are embodied by the NMO. 
Cooperation between the new Germany and a renewed folkish-national Hebraium would be possible and, 
The establishment of the historic Jewish state on a national and totalitarian basis, bound by a treaty with the German Reich, would be in the interest of a maintained and strengthened future German position of power in the Near East. 
Proceeding from these considerations, the NMO in Palestine, under the condition the above-mentioned national aspirations of the Israeli freedom movement are recognized on the side of the German Reich, offers to actively lake part in the war on Germany’s side.

This offer by the NMO, covering activity in the military, political and information fields, in Palestine and, according to our determined preparations, outside Palestine, would be connected to the military training and organizing of Jewish manpower in Europe, under the leadership and command of the NMO. These military units would take part in the fight to conquer Palestine, should such a front be decided upon.

The indirect participation of the Israeli freedom movement in the New Order in Europe, already in the preparatory stage, would be linked with a positive-radical solution of the European Jewish problem in conformity with the above-mentioned national aspirations of the Jewish people. This would extraordinarily strengthen the moral basis of the New Order in the eyes of all humanity.

The cooperation of the Israeli freedom movement would also be along the lines of one of the last speeches of the German Reich Chancellor, in which Herr Hitler emphasized that he would utilize every combination and coalition in order to isolate and defeat England.

A brief general view of the formation, essence, and activity of the NMO in Palestine:

The NMO developed partly out of the Jewish self-defense in Palestine and the Revisionist movement (New Zionist Organization), with which the NMO was loosely connected through the person of Mr. V. Jabotinsky until his death.

The pro-English attitude of the Revisionist Organization in Palestine, which prevented the renewal of the personal union, led in the autumn of this year to a complete break between it and the NMO as well as to a thereupon following split in the Revisionist movement.

The goal of the NMO is the establishment of the Jewish state within its historic borders.

The NMO, in contrast to all Zionist trends, rejects colonizatory infiltration as the only means of making accessible and gradually taking possession of the fatherland and practices its slogan, the struggle and the sacrifice, as the only true means for the conquest and liberation of Palestine.

On account of its militant character and its anti-English disposition the NMO is forced, under constant persecutions by the English administration, to exercise its political activity and the military training of its members in Palestine in secret.

The NMO, whose terrorist activities began as early as the autumn of the year 1936, became, after the publication of the British White Papers, especially prominent in the summer of 1939 through successful intensification of its terroristic activity and sabotage of English properly. At that lime these activities, as well as daily secret radio broadcasts, were noticed and discussed by virtually the entire world press.

The NMO maintained independent political offices in Warsaw, Paris. London and New York until the beginning of the war.

The office in Warsaw was mainly concerned with the military organization and training of the national Zionist youth and was closely connected with the Jewish masseswho, especially in Poland, sustained and enthusiastically supported, in every manner, the fight of the NMO in Palestine. Two newspapers were published in Warsaw (The Deed and Liberated Jerusalem): these were organs of the NMO. 

The office in Warsaw maintained close relations with the former Polish government and those military circles, who brought greatest sympathy and understanding towards the aims of the NMO. Thus, in the year 1939 selected groups of NMO members were sent from Palestine to Poland, where their military training was completed in barracks by Polish officers.

The negotiations, for the purpose of activating and concertizing their aid, took place between the NMO and the Polish government in Warsaw – the evidence of which can easily be found in the archives of the former Polish government – were terminated because of the beginning of the war.

The NMO is closely related to the totalitarian movements of Europe in its ideology and structure.

The fighting capacity of the NMO could never be paralyzed or seriously weakened, neither through strong defensive measures by the English administration and the Arabs, nor by those of the Jewish socialists. 

Rosie, I must ask

since I really don't know...

what is it about an IDF soldier in thi pix that surprises you?  I guess I am missing if there is any laws, history or any thing that would surprise you to see a pix such as this?

Would you please elaborate?

Thanks

Mehrdad

If only a tenth of Iranians...

If only a tenth of Iranians would act toward Iran like Jews act toward Israel, we wouldn't be just talking about a free Iran today!!! Amongst Jews there is a saying: "never forget, never forgive" (reference to the Holocaust). Unfortunately, many Iranians don't have that burning desire for their homeland, even though we have had plenty of atrocities committed against us. Most only remember and talk about the current crimes committed by the IRI. And I wonder if somehow IRI patches things over with US and chooses to become its lapdog, what would the debate be like!? Certainly, it won't be the first tinpot dictatorship massacring its people while supported and funded by US

By the way, reading the posts on this topic, two things are very clear. First, people have mixed up Judaism and Zionism, which is what Zionists actively promote. It's not so at all. In fact, today's Zionism is not even remotely close to the nascent form of Zionism. What is called Zionism today (Labor and Likud) is Jewish Fascism. Second, most people who pontificate here on Zionism don't have a clue about its history. At best, they only know the tidbits that Zionists advertise.

Rosie

Hard to believe, indeed.

IDF soldier

I know it's very hard to believe that I didn't realize that was a picture of an IDF soldier during the entire discussion below. There are a few things you have to understand. First of all was the lighting. The only things clearly discernible were the flag, that there were buildings, and that there was some shadowish person making a salute. On a computer screen a little change in lighting goes a long way. Once I had moved the laptop to directly under a lamp, it began to look clearer, then clearer. But I really couldn't see how clear it was until I went on a different computer in a different place today. It's glaringly clear.

But then the question arises as to why, if I saw the salute, I didn't surmise it was a soldier, and I think there are three reasons. First of all,I never would've believed in my wildest dreams that there would be an IDF soldier in an ad here, how could it? Secondly, I never would've believed in my wildest dreams that if there were one, even if it couldn't've been prevented, that upon being challenged about it, Jahanshah would've answered so briefly and glibly. And finally it has to do with my upbringing.

In the sixties and the seventies, we were not taught to associate Jerusalem with the military. Jerusalem was a mythic land of hopes and dreams, Yerushalayim shel zahav, Jerusalem of gold. It was a land of memory, we were taught, a collective memory that inevitably for a child became felt as a personal memory. To write a poetic caption like the one in the picture with such a moving picture of a building from ancient times and place a soldier in it would've been unthinkable, a kind of desecration. A poeticized version is what I was taught, the militarism was always in the background. We were attacked and we won a war against us that was so unfair to us, and , now let us dream of Jerusalem.

I have never seen an image like that. Humanbeing told me yesterday that she sees them all the time.

People see things to some extent or other according to previous expectations. This is inevitable. And so somehow the salute registered more or less like a kind of putting one's hand over one's heart like in a pledge of allegience that a civilian could do. And so I couldn't understand until now why a few people were expressing their outrage so virulently but now I do understand Sargord and No Fear, and even the despicable IMF.

I just sat there in shock last night when I started to realize it was a soldier. And I think I have a few more thoughts still to say about this but I won't say them here. I do believe I'll write the blog I'd mentioned below I might. I had rejected that idea until I saw it was a soldier. It'll surely be my last for a while, I rarely write them anymore anyway. It requires a lot of thinking. But I'll just throw one more thing in right now. I don't understand why when I asked if it was a soldier that no one answered, even to say Rosie, you're an idiot.. And I'm not asking for an explanation here either.

You don't have to like

You don't have to like Israel just keep you nose out of their business. Arafat and the Palestinians have siphoned millions of dollars from the Terrorist Occupyers of Iran over 50 years and its neighbouring Arab countries and they are still poor and fighting. You should care more about Iran and wake up and realise that there are other problems in the world not just Israel which occupies so much of your time. Try to Google Sudan and Kyrgyzstan. The compare them to the 'brutality' of Israel.

Escape:

Quit frankly I am getting lost within so many "why" s in your questions,

But for your info, I have spoken out against and condemned AN rhetoric and actions both at home and abroad for longer then many. But I also know that those are mostly hot air that is coming out of AN mouth. AN does not command even a police station so with what he is going to do any crap… only his laud mouth. Also my opposition to war and attack by Israel does not and should be translated to support for AN or any fascist IRI regime. But again my full opposition to IRI regime will not convince me to cheer for another country that I believe it is just as bad or even worse the IRI to go and bomb Iran.

Hope this covers all of your Whys

Mehrdad

Zoroast

Imperial Russia and then the Soviet Union has invaded Iranian territory, annexed Iranian territory such as Aghanistan and Georgia, imposed extrotionate trade conditions on Iran, its army has even destroyed Iranian villages, meddled in the domestic affairs of Iran, killed thousands of Afghansistan MUSLIMS in it's ill fated invasion of the country, kills and tortures MUSLIMS in Chechnya. It sends its tanks into Georgia killing civilians and laying waste to the country like the Islraeli siege of Gaza. Where is your condemination? As an Iranian where is your hatred towards Russia? Where is your boycott of Russia? Do you deny the existence of Russia? No. Because I tell you why they are not JEWS. Russia, China and India are all countries which persecute its Muslim populations and despite the fact that they are Godless Communists or Hindus they have excellent diplimatic relationships with the current Islamic terrorsit governemnt. The fact that you spend more time condemning Zionism and cannot even bring yourself to mention the world Israel speaks volumes about the way you have been conditioned.

As an Iranian why don't you concentrate on solving the problems of your own countries in the same way the Palestinians care about theirs even if it means supporting the enemies of Iran such as Saddam. 

However, if you are upset about the Israeli attack on Gaza ask yourself, as an IRANIAN, why you don't feel the same contempt for other countries such as RUSSIA that has exploited us and is propping up this evil regime as we speak. 

Mehrdad

If you really gave a crap about Iran getting bombed you would give a crap WHY wouldn't you?

Why don't you care why? Why don't you care about the reason Iran is threatened?

I want you to answer this.

Once more - Why don't you care about the REASON Iran is threatened?

Ahmadinejhad has opened his big mouth and threatened to wipe Isreal off the map and called the Holocaust a lie.He sends rockets to Hamas and Hezbollah and blows up Isreali's.He brainwashes Iranians into chanting in the streets death to Isreal.

You think that's just fine don't you?

Why don't you care about it? But oh NOW You care so much about Iran getting bombed but don't care why.

Why not?

So,If you threatened to burn someones house down and they threatened back to burn your house down,would you go home and cry and go 'Oh he threatened to burn my house down' I wonder why?? '

Q-'I really don't know why I have the enemies' -

A- Because you created them!!

You know it's not too late,Iran could reconcile with Isreal and save the world..

Why don't you send that message of PEACE to Ahmadinejhad?

pro zionist ads on Iranian.com

We should care about not having Iranian.com associated with the zionists; they have ammased welath through corrupt activities & have bough out media & the US politicians; on a satellite progm aired from Germany, they echoed the same views while discussing Gaza that "is there anyone that the zionist have not bought?" I am a persian & detesst the fact that some of us have become so low to sell our dignity. I also detest the Arab's foot prints in the Persian culture; but one has to be fair about what's going on in Iraq & Gaza; both products of Zionists terrorism. I am afraid, our fellow Americans have been kept in the dark or are too ignorant(i.e. red necks) to have any voice about the crimes committed by the Zionist in their name.  

no, i think someone better answer me.

is that a soldier? he looks like he's wearing a uniform with medals. i knew he was saluting and i guess that's what soldiers do, but somehow it didn't register. i saw the quote about jerusalem and the old buidings behind and i just figured it was a way of paying respect, paying tribute, to jerusalem, to 'zion'. maybe because he's looking down. the lighting was terrible. and the blue was so dark. but now he really looks like a soldier. but i can't see any cap. but hair's not shaped like that. i honestly think i may not have realized it because i didn't want to. maybe because i don't associate the songs and sayings about jerusalem that i learned as a child with soldiers...but...it is a soldier, right? i feel like i must be dreaming...

that's not just blue...it's smoke... 

sargord,

i didn't have good lighting. i didn't see until now that it's a soldier. maybe i'm not so objective and i didn't want to see that it's a soldier. it's a soldier right?  please don't answer me unless it's not.

Looks like I missed the party

It's a shame JJ doesn't show his true Pro-zionist colors by banning agent pirouz, Qumars, and all the cheerleaders of torture, stoning, rape and murder.  Yet here they are, freely allowed to spread IRI propaganda and ridicule the person who has given them the opportunity.  And gotta love Pirouz pretending to be iranian by copying and pasting iranian sayings. 

Bravo Israel!

I sincerely and wholeheartedly support Israel in its fight against the Occupying Regime of Iran. Israel does not stone women. Israel does not shoot Iranian demonstators through their heart. Israel does not carry out public executions of Iranians in full view of young children. I condemn Obama's pussyfooting on the subject (no pun intended) and all Iranians must unite in over throwing this Islamic Fascist regime which is anti-Iranian through and through.

Shotor didi, nadidi

I've been saying the same thing. It's a lot simpler than folks here are making it out to be.

I will say this, though, even though I think it's reprehensible for JJ to accept money from Stand by Israel, in its quest for war upon the Iranian people, I do recognize the level of tolerance exhibited here throughout this ongoing discussion.

Whether or not this can be simply be attributed to casual indifference, who can say other than JJ. So far, he has said little on the matter. And what he has said has been found to be less than candid by objective observers such as Rosie, or he's offered brief remarks that weren't serious and to the point.

Kolato ghazi kon! 

Sorry Doctor X, I was busy with various other blogs

Doctor X, when I wrote about cooler heads, I did not mean Sargord.  Regarding him, as he often admits; he just does not get it.

Why do you care?

You demonstrate the jaw droping hypocricy whcih characterises the Islamic Republic. The question is not whether Iranian.com allows for Pro-Israeli views to be propogated but why supporters of the occupying regime of Iran dedicate so much time to Israeli bashing. For the record I am a non- Jewish Iranian and infact I treat the Palestinian question no different from other conflicts around the world such as Kyrgystan, Kashmir, Afshanistan, Kashmir and China where Muslims are being oppressed systematically by states which the occupying regime of Iran has excellent ties with. For the record you should know that whatever wrongs are done to Palestinians Israelis do not beat up, imprison, rape and murder in broad daylight the youth of their country. Israel does not refer to the Persian Gulf as the Arabic Gulf, it does not sipute Iranian sovereignty over Iran's gulf islands and neither did it rally around Saddam Hussein when he waged for war on Iran. The Palestinians did. Israel does not send bulldozers to demolishthe ruins of Persepolis, it does not insult Iran's pre-Islamic history by calling it the age of ignorance. Israel does not try to play down the importance of Nowruz and discourage the celebration of the chaharshanbe Souri. Infact, Israel never imposed Islam on Iran or force women to wear the hijab which has been a Bedouin Arab garment on Iranian women. Israel dedicates street names in Honour of Cyrus the Great whilst the Islamic Republic builds a water dam in Passargad threatening to destroy the tomb of our Great King. Israel does not replace our ancient pre-Islamic sysmbols of our flag with a horrible red blemish.

Why should I bear a single grudge against Israel when Palestinians are being recruited in the Qods division of the Iranian military to shoot at Iranian protesters?

Your sensibilities are hurt by a pro-Israeli advert which you consider an affront against Iran given that the Ocupying Regime of Iran has been fighting Israel by proxy through its Hezbollah and Hamas friends. 

However, you share the same twisted mentality of the Mullahs: Iran fadaye eslam. You will drive Iran towards a war for the sake of Palestine and Islam. Even the other neighbouring Arab countries that hate Israel are not willing to take this gamble. 

I leave you with one though Pirouz: You can find Sunni Muslim mosques in Tel Aviv. Do you think the municipality of Tehran would allow a Palestinian Sunni Muslim mosque to be built in central Tehran? When you cannot respct the beliefs of minorities in Iran try not to expect more from others. 

Israel is not our problem but then again your beloved Occupying Regime thrives on Zionism as the reason for its own existance.

Anahid jan

na baba koja cooler head has  prevailed. Don't you see? Ownere inja roo bayad be saleeb kesheed or else:))))

The hell will freeze over by the time their heads cool off. Basatyeh ontoo bayad biay o bebini:)

JJ jan magas koshet kojas?:)

Noise this!

Someone please Block sargord and his buddies. He is being A nuisance here.

I mean come on... Am i the only one who thinks that way? Let him his feeree esspeeech and other forms of peech some place else. Go out there and hate all the countries in the world. hate the world if you must but don't be telling us about it anymore, we do not HATE anyone and we don't think everyone is an enemy out there. We want peace for the world and all its inhabitants.

You guys should have run outta fuel by now.

Zip it for the sake of world peace and prosperity.

Noon Barbari + Paneer = Soul food for peace lovers

I will join Mehrdad,Shepesh, Rosie, etc. and sign off this blog

it looks like cooler heads have prevailed and people are one by one abandoning this blog. me too.

Look, everything is

Look, everything is traceable on the internet. And this isn't about free speech.

This is about Iranian.com providing support to the "Stand by Israel" group that advocates a war of death and destruction upon the Iranian people, and the owner of the site getting paid for it.

That's really what it all comes down to. The rest is noise or silence. 

and one last one, (NF, SP and ANAHID)

Anahid, read my posts up the thread. NO ONE defended Jahanshah here more than me. I said it would be IMPOSSIBLE for him to lie about this OVER and OVER again until AM provided that link to google. I didn't come on this thread to spearhead a 'campaign'. READ.

NF, SP. you're going overboard. He's not going to sell your information to the FBI. He hasn't committed treason. I said (clearly, Anahid) that he tries to run the site ethically. And that's why I don't understand all this. And I'd like this to be the end of my participation here, if you don't mind.

anahid,I said Iwouldn't post again but you proved 1 of my points

i told  sargord to go to google to find out whether websites can filter individual ads because i thought it would prove sargord WRONG. google says they can, jahanshah had said they can't. i didn't say he lied, i said he should address the issue. i also said i don't care about the ad content, and that jahanshah wasn't responding--nor hardly anyone seriously--because they can say it doesn't matter because it's sargord's blog.

and now YOU come along and say it doesn't matter because it's sargord's blog.

Good question No Fear

My own response to you would be: Stop supporting a terrorist regime and organisations to keep FBI off your back. 

The implications ....

Well, as another poster noted, what is the gaurantee that our personal information is safe? What if i come over this site and praise IRGC efforts and JJ hands over my IP to FBI for supporting a terrorist group? What if i support Islamists and then get a knock on my door for having links to Al Quida? This is bull shit.....

Why isn't JJ responding?

Anahid Jaan:

Yes for me it was about JJ's credibility. This is specially very unfortunately that it has been brought up by some one with zero credibility in my book. I hope you see the irony here.  I hope we all do in ways not to give IRI supporters any undue credibility.

I will tow the line of Shepesh and will stop here with the hopes that we get some clarity on the situation at some point.

Mehrdad

Sarteep

1- no you are not.

2-you most certainly do not. your words and behavior don't show it.

3- ohh hoo... no siree bob. heck no.

4- unless they go into your own pocket of course.

5- oh.. oops. my bad. there were only 4. onlyiran havasamo part kard:)))

Lies and Lies.

Try this one. It's the same photo

Onlyiran

Hey , man it won't let me download the thing:))

by the way, Are you guys done over there at that other blog?:)) seems there is still some straigthening up that need to be done.

Sargord is on fire . he is on a mission . from downtown:) wooff wooff wooff. I was watching murry's show last night and i saw sombody that matched sargord's descriptions...