Sargord Pirouz

Dariush

JJ is not Jewish. But what if he was? Does it bother your sense of antisemetism? Want to join the gang of sick Jew hating IRI groupies. Well you just did. You are an embarassment to our people if you are really Iranian.

That is nothing new. I

That is nothing new. I objected to pro-Israeli banners on this site before. I am willing to bet JJ is Jewish. He might not be pro Israel, but you know how sensitive they are to money. They just can't pass that $$$.

Ggorgg

 I think there is another side to the whole Zionist/Israel issue that is more sinister and cannot be ignored.

I don't know why you seem to think I don't know about the more sinister side. I am pretty well aware of it. Maybe it's because I said I 'detached' myself from Israel after Sabra and Shatilla so I didn't follow the exact form the propaganda took. What I meant to say was very literally that I didn't follow what kinds of posters, ads, slogans, etc. were being used, and that's why I had never seen an image like the one Sargord provided, so I didn't realize it was a soldier. I didn't mean to say that in the 'detachment' I didn't read things and listen to things about the issue, especially the dark underbelly.

I also did a lot of reading about the Holocaust. I had a kind of morbid fascination with it. So much so that I even went to live in Germany for a while. That kind of thing will inevitably lead you to the 'sinister' side of Zionism if you are open to it. From darkness to darkness as it were.

 Israel probably upsets me far more than it does most people here and it was really hard for a while for me to understand the specific peculiar place it holds in the Iranian political discourse. Like if you very vocally anti-Israel you are labeled a Regime supporter, just because the IRI Regime has used this as a distraction. It is probably THE issue among the 'Left' worldwide in general because of so many things it represents (I have my own ideas about that) so this sort of allergy to people who are preoccupied with it is very strange to me. Also last year during the invasion of Gaza (as I tried to tell Sare gourd below) the majority here were very pro-Gaza so you didn't get that kind of sh-t slung in your face, but now if you are very vocally anti-Israel here you do. Not me, of course. I mean other people do. And imakes me uncomfortable.

Well anyway the link you posted to the clips doesn't work for me and I have not had time to view the film yet. But I will. Thanks. And to be completely honest, I haven't had time to read up the Zionism strand of this thread either, but I will do that too.

Mehrdad

We know AN's words are spun to sound worse. But that is what the media does. The smart leader will not give them the excuse. Or would go on public airways and set it straight. The reality is that AN is either too proud or too stupid to do this. So he gives them the excuse that they need to attack Iran.

We also know the reasons are not his words. The reasons are deeprs. But the *excuse* offered publically is his words. We the diaspora will not always be able to undo his stupidity.

This should be our lesson. Never allow a nation to be led by the lowest ranks of the society.

VPK

Sorry, my rant..

was not supposed to be posted yet. It was in editing stage. Can't change, someone clicked on reply.Ah well, now it's REALLY a rant.

Escape:

May I ask if you speak Farsi, perhaps fluently? I ask this without any wrong intention or meaning?

I know the guy is a Moran, but the interviews that I listen to (mostly with the US media) or the news that came out of Iran during the holocaust conference in Tehran, was not so that it did not happen. The questions has been mostly about the politics and consequences of that tragic genocide and its affect in ME. In the US media that has been translated as holocaust denier, just as his comment about removing Zionism from the face of earth was translated wiping Israel off the map.

Furthermore, denying holocaust as absurd as it is, should not be reasons or ground for attacking another country. Such action by itself should be and will be considered a genocide.

Mehrdad

Sargord is an Izvestia commentator what do you expect?!

His new avatar of a "polite" good 'ol boy is just another sign.  Here's your sign ... 

Everything is sacred

Sargord,What the f. is wrong with u?-Warning I am about to rant

ANY GUESSES OUT THERE ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED TO THAT AD? you wrote?

Yeah, I have guesses, but so what? I also have facts. I came to this thread for two reasons: the feason was to prove you wrong with your accusations about Jahanshah being paid by anyone for anything, which ALWAYS drives me ballistic and I ALWAYS defend him. The second was because I  feel you deserve a fair hearing like everyone else. I stuck my neck out to defend your rights. I knew it would raise hackles but I wanted to do the righ tthing.

So here I am first insisting that your allegations about Jahanshah are false, and I wind up first having to do the legwork to prove the website does NOT have a political bias. Then I try to get you to google advertising department to DISPROVE (I thought) the allegations. Pig-headed as you are you won't go. Then some newcomer goes and gets a link that shows the filtering CAN be done.  ,

Jahanshah won't answer because you're you even though now there is a very LEGITIMATE concern raised, and it is the not ANSWERING that is WRONG (and anyone who says no is pathetically dishonest with themselves). Not whatever he said per se or why he lied (quite apparently he did. Just not ADDRESSING. , if you were Ari or VPK he would've explained in detail, and that is one of the two reason why I came here, because you deserve a fair hearing and now despite your wildly exaggerated accusatons you DID bring up a valid point. An ad advocating attacking Iran DOES warrant an explanation. But he is hardly a goddamn Massad agent, I tell you, NOT accepting money for NOT showing the ad IS different from accepting money to show it. It IS.

.Then I get left out here like the prow of a sinking ship with only a couple of people willng to step up and support me with the truth (the others are hiding under their beds while the counter goes up a thousand...). Gee, j., what a surprise. I get accused of making demands on you because you know I can't explain the demands YOU make on ME.

Okay Sargord, fine, I understand why HE absconded but WHERE THE HELL DID YOU GO?  This is why everyone says you have no crediblity and call you names. Because you do STUPID things like this. YOU PUT yourself in this position where people who have NO right to claim they have ANY morall high ground about ANYTHING feel free to scapegoat you (in wolf packs no less...)

Whatever Jahanshah said and whatever google says there has to be a reason for some stupid small lie. Maybe it costs a million dollars to get this filtering option and the site can't afford it. Whatever. For me it was a small problem, I just wanted him to show up and explain. For you it was like he was the new Iranian Hitler. Okay fine he DID do something wrong but YOU act like he's the new Iranian Hitler, and then you go off, where? In cryostasis to Planet Planet?

And now you come back out of nowhere and you want people to GUESS what happened to the ads??? 

A LOT of people here owe apologies (or at least some SERIOUS self-reflection). Actually I don't think Jahanshah owes one any more than the other lip-sewn and bully hypocrites. People get the leaders they deserve, leaders get the people they deserve. But YOU owe one TOO. But don't bother. No one else will, why should you.

But I WILL. I apologize to MYSELF for putting myself through this and for 'rocking the boat'. I am not interested in doing it anymore.

It's not Hot Air Mehrdad

  When the leader of Iran threatens to wipe Isreal off the face of the earth and try's to say the Holocaust never happened,it's not hot air.

 You can't really be serious to think any country would just ignore this guy's threat's. 

 And honestly,I feel like smashing down a brick wall when getting called a Zionist for trying to explain that.

ggorgg

US does not Just claim that it is a democracy. In your mind, you are picturing that perfect and impeccable democratic utopia, that no country in the world can even remotely claim to aspire to. But this is not about what regimes claim they are, It is about how the economic and political and cultural affairs are managed in these countries, the privilegdes, the means whereby lives are made easier and situations get facilitated and where there is at least some form of Justice, that the term democracy comes to life and finds certain meaning.

What Marginal aspects of Governance could you possibly be referring to, keeping in mind that there are overwhelmingly different philosophies guiding the administrators of each country (iran and US)!!! 

I know that both regimes claim to be so many things that they might not be, and although neither one of them is absolutely perfect  but judging by the level of prosperity and satisfaction enjoyed by the citizens of two countries, and the opportunities available for development, it should be obvious which one deserves more chastising and criticism.

SarGord

You are a lot more sneaky and dangerous and a major threat to any government that Zionists. It is a proven fact now.

You are exactly what intelligence agencies are looking for, someone who can penetrate deep in the heart of the enemy, go right through the civilians and deliver the goods, Spread propaganda and lableling and accusing others of wanting or supporting a war, while you are the one who is encouraging it, yet you disguise that by saying nice things such as "i like iran the way it is , politically or socially"

After all the issues that have been dicussed on this forum and after it was determined what our priorities should be, you are still hell bent digging up crap.

It is agood thing everyone knows that you are really up to no good.

Mehrdad...the truth shall set us all free.

I'm not religious. For the lack of a better word, I'm an atheist. My favorite saying comes right out of the bible. And I like the latin sense of it the most: et cognoscetis veritatem et veritas liberabit. It is variously translated as "you shall know the truth, and the truth shall set you free.

AMIR calls me a hypocrite for living in US, enjoying its 'democracy', and expressing support for dictatorial figures and regimes. I won't get into veracity of that assertion. I'll only state that I do not support any violation of human rights, murder, and oppression. But AMIR's statement has some fundamental flaws.

First, the US is NOT a democracy. Just because a government claims to be a democracy, it doesn't mean it is. IRI claims many things. Are they true? US is at best and oligarchy, at worst a masked form of dictatorship. If you actually spend the time (I have and it's daunting) you will see that if IRI was to improve some very marginal aspects of it's governance, it would not fundamentally be that different from the CURRENT American government. Briefly, this is country built on extermination of natives. A $20 bill, has the picture of Jackson on it. This is a figure that actively called for any means of destroying the natives. There are still Cherokee Native Americans that would not carry a $20 bill because of what he did to them. Me and people like AMIR are repulsed by picture of Khomeini on Iranian money. The difference is that I'm also repulsed (and vocal about it) at the picture of Jackson on $20 bill. There is a book by Stephen Kinzer, "Overthrow", that details the crimes of US government without delving into the atrocities. There are pictures of piles of Vietnamese and Filipino bodies with American Marines posing next to it. I can go on, but it's simply not possible. The point is that to be critical of IRI, Russia, China, or any other oppressive regime without including US and its allies on the list is the real HYPOCRISY. And, as AMIR points out, it's the duty of every American citizen to say so.

Second, history is written by victors. Some of the facts that I was taught in American schools are simply not exactly true. I'm right now going through the Japanese-American conflict in WWII, from non-mainstream sources. I won't get into the details, and let me be clear that Imperial Japan was a fascist form of government guilty of many atrocities. But, here is an interesting fact. Japan tried to introduce a racial equality clause into the League of Nations, but US and UK opposed it. In fact, Woodrow Wilson said that some of us (meaning West) cannot accept it. The point is that there is a lot of history that is erased so that a neat, pretty image can rewrite its place.

We should all do our own homework, and free our minds from the box that is continually being built around us. 

Wow, this thread sure

Wow, this thread sure diverged.

But the good news is the pro-Zionist ads seem to have disappeared. I haven't seen them for a couple of days, anyway. Anyone else seen 'em, since?

So, seein' how they lasted two days, it's easy for JJ to calculate how much money he'll be pocketing from Iranian.com's support for advocating war against the people of Iran.

Any guesses out there? 

Amir:

"emigrate to a democracy, and then use the freedom of that democracy to express support for dictatorial figures and regimes which deny people the same rights they are enjoying"

Yes, I definitely see that and agree with it. Though I often hear this, specially from the White Americans, but not limited to them only, when they hear an emigrant criticizing the American foreign policy that 'if you don't like it go home' type thing.

I had wondered if that is what you were advocating also!!!

Cheers

Mehrdad

Mehrdad,

Help me understand your point here, so since we are an immigrant, even though this marriage has been equally beneficial to both party, we should not criticize it even if there are ground for such criticism?

Mehrdad, that is not what I am saying. People have a right (even a duty) to criticize the actions of the government, especially their own government. That applies to Iranian-Americans too. We have the right to criticize the U.S. government as much as we like, a right that our fellow Iranians in the IRI do not. I am not questioning this right. But do you see that it is hypocritical for people to leave a dictatorial regime, emigrate to a democracy, and then use the freedom of that democracy to express support for dictatorial figures and regimes which deny people the same rights they are enjoying? Again, I am not questioning their right to do so, but I also have the right to call them a hypocrite. Regards.

Amir:

"You are a hypocrite since you live in the West rather than one of the "heroic, independent targets" of U.S. imperialism so beloved of "leftish" fools, like Cuba and North Korea."

Help me understand your point here, so since we are an immigrant, even though this marriage has been equally beneficial to both party, we should not criticize it even if there are ground for such criticism?

Wouldn't that make us a second class citizen? Should we be a second class citizen?

Cheers

Mehrdad

ggorgg,

You are a dimwit who defends a killer like Trotsky. You are a liar for ascribing to me views which are not mine and consistently making false claims about what I have stated and not backing any of your own assertions with evidence. You are a lowlife for calling me a "house slave". You are a hypocrite since you live in the West rather than one of the "heroic, independent targets" of U.S. imperialism so beloved of "leftish" fools, like Cuba and North Korea. To the long list of wrongdoings committed by the U.S. and Devilish West you can add allowing the likes of you into this country. And to the long list of my own shortcomings I can add wasting my time with you. Cheers  :-)

AMIR...

You are a house slave. Your views on the man who once served (in a long line of bastards) as the British colonial secretary is the flag on that opinion. Plus, you should read more about Trotsky. And, you should read more FROM Tariq Ali before bashing him. Trotsky did commit himself to some very ugly acts, but if for that we are going to detest him (and I think we should condemn those acts and so does Tariq Ali), then we should detest Churchill much more for his commitment to even more detestable acts. You seem to hold the mainstream view of Trotsky and Churchill. It's a double handicap!

Don't take my calling you a house slave personal. I know it's hard not to, but on my part, I don't know you and I only mean it as an observation. Your posts are replete with rants on Islamists. You rightfully condemn Islamic extremism, but there is very little from you on Christian or Jewish extremism that is burning the world. We could be talking about onions, and you'll manage to hash out Islamist crimes and IRI treachery. Yes, IRI is a despotic theocracy guilty of 30 years of crimes against Iranians. But, you are pretty much silent on American, British, Israeli, French...atrocities committed against practically all of humanity. And, believe me I have very personal reasons for hating the mullahs in Iran. The enemy of my enemy is NOT my friend!

This is nuts! Trotsky was bad. But, Churchill was the colonial secretary of Britain. The same colonizing power that actively got Chinese hooked on opium to make money and break the Chinese resistance to British rule! The same Churchill that chastised the British press for their light disapproval of chemical gassing the Afghan resistance fighting the British for their homeland. The list goes on. The mainstream media may not advertise Churchill's early accolades for Hitler and Mussolini, but you do have a brain and the ability to read, right!?

Mr. Amir, it's bad to be a slave and specially a house slave. But, it's far worse, unforgivable, to remain one.

Best of luck. 

Drop the childish

Drop the childish logic! 

And this comes from the guy who referred to me as a "Persian house slave" and references Tariq Ali, a follower of Trotsky, to back up that notion. Ggorgg, good luck with your "research". Regards.

AMIR, you're 36 not 6!!!

Drop the childish logic! This over-used association with IRI that you regularly levy against anyone that you don't agree with is similar to the charge of anti-semitism employed by Zionists against anyone who dares to criticize them and Israel. Get over it. I don't support IRI and I don't buy their stories. But I don't buy the stories of Western media and governments either. I form my own opinion based on my own research, which by the way takes a hefty portion of my time. Plus, I've learned that there is a bit of ironic truth to the old adage: "ignorance is a bliss." Knowing how ugly the world is makes living in it quiet difficult. So, roll up your IRI/Islamist-whatever carpet and take on someone else. It won't work with me.

Yes, you do ignore the evidence. Otherwise, you would know how many exactly are in the "some" portion of Israeli leaders that were and are happy to collaborate with fascists. Like I've told you, read the documents.

One more thing

For certain "leftish" and Islamist elements, whether on Iranian.com or elsewhere, it's all Israel, all the time--24/7, 365 days a year. Okay, "Marg bar Israel". Are you happy now? Just imagine how much better the lives of Iranians would be if (when?) Israel becomes the 20th or so Arab regime and Liberated Palestine can finally assume its rightful place at the Arab League, even if Iran too has long been a target of Arab nationalism. Regards.

ggorgg

It wasn't some and especially right-wingers, it was many across the board.

So, if it wasn't "some", then it was all? That's quite a claim. Care to back that up with evidence (or will you go the way of your previous posts and pay no mind to backing your claims with evidence)?

For someone who likes to demand proof, you sure as hell like to ignore what the proof says. 

When did I "ignore" that? I said that some Zionists collaborated or sought to collaborate with right-wing extremists, including Nazis and Italian fascists. Unlike you, however, I will NOT adopt and fall for the favorite propaganda distraction of the Iranian peoples' Number One tormentor, the IRI, and especially NOT on Iranian.com. If you want to do that, this is your right in a free society, a basic right which the Iranian people are denied by their own murderous regime. It's a little rich to wonder why someone of Iranian background would come on Iranian.com and choose to focus on the plight of Iranians. If you want to be an "internationalist", fine that's your right. But, of course, these sort of "leftish" folks don't say much about the slaughter of Muslims and Arabs in Syria, Sudan, Algeria, Jordan, Lebanon, etc--slaughters which far exceed in scale and scope what Israel, unjustly and ruthlessly, has done to Arabs. As an individual who has become increasingly disillusioned with certain strains of "leftish" thought, I can assure you that I know the ins-and-outs of such "leftish" argumentation well (I can even recognize some of your Chomsky-esque phraseology). Regards.

Rosie...

I think there is another side to the whole Zionist/Israel issue that is more sinister and cannot be ignored. As a primer, I recommend that you watch the film "Defamation" by the Israeli journalist Yoav Shamir. Initially, ADL supported Shamir's movie and provided him with whatever he asked. But when the movie came out, they ran him over with a steamroller. Naturally, the film has not gotten much exposure in the main stream press.

Link to the film:

//www.defamation-thefilm.com/html/the_film.ht...

ADL statement on the film:

//www.adl.org/PresRele/ASInt_13/5524_13.htm 

Some clips:

//www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=safari&rls=en&tbs=vid%3A1&q=defamation+shamir&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai= 

Good, Mehrdad, but for those who don't, the Cliff Notes version:

Jeruslam is holy.

'Thou shalt not kill.'

________________

How can this be when 'we' received the Ten Commandments and then instigated the Battle of Jericho? The same way peace-loving Muslims interpret the Quran when they say the jihad is the struggle of the higher Self over the lower self. Sacred texts are interpreted according to individual upbringing and disposition. Contradictions so baldfaced they bite you in the nose are somehow rational;ized or repressed through pyschic defense mechanisms which allow individuals to have a world view which helps them navigate reality, which is no bowl of cherries. They are not ready to give up this framework. Nor are you ready to be their 'teacher'.

Speak out against IslamISM. LEAVE ISLAM ALONE.

Thanks Rosie jaan, I think I understand it better now.

Mehrdad

Mehrdad, more on why it shocks me that it's a soldier,

what is it about an IDF soldier in thi pix that surprises you?  I guess I am missing if there is any laws, history or any thing that would surprise you to see a pix such as this? 

Sorry this turned out to be so long. 

In August 2010 there is only one way to interpret the lines about not being quiet for Jerusalem, for Zion, with an IDF soldier in the foreground. It is a stateness of preparation for a possible attack on Iran, and it is not even a question of allusion or interpretation. It is a clear statement..

Should anyone reading this wish to deny this, at the aame time we had our discussion down below and were featured, then still 'most discussed', there was a news item from Ari, featured, with the supertitle '50-50 Israel will attack before July'--Golberg's article, and also the one by the Leveretts, along with a video at the top of the home page entitled Israel Solo Attack.

However, without the soldier this would be a very different picture. It would not be an undisputable advocation of war,, and could be interpreted in two ways. As a statement of readiness to attack for those who see it's a soldier, or as a statement of the  poetic yearning to preserve the homeland,for the suffering people of the Holocaust, pogroms, etc. through peaceful negotiation etc for those who don't, which is what I was taught. In fact the ad is designed this way on purpose. Although it is fully intended to make the soldier visible, it softens the militaristic aspect like a Hallmark card. The soldier's eyes are down, he is in mourning. The soothing blue, etc.

___________

According to the 'propaganda' of my upbringing in the 60'and '70s, Israel was a place of the hope for peace,, the only guarantee that we would survive, as a people and as individuals.  Jerusalem particularly embodied this hope of peace for us, and for everybody in the world. Any aggressions we never instigated. We were not told Palestinians even lived in Jerusalem. Let alone what was going on in the territories. We were not even taught the word Palestinian, just Arab.

Had we been told the truth, my parents would've broken with Zionism, and before I did--which was at university during the Sabra Shatila massacre in the early '80'. Because they were peace and human rights activists. This is the schizoid nature of the Jewish psyche for many Jews living outside Israel, especially in the U.S. and many other people find it hard to fathom. It is generally not hypocrisy. It is a psychic defense mechanism.

In fact, at the particular synagogue where I attended Hebrew School after publicc school for years, the word Zion was used but never Zionism or Zionist for us. Zionist was what 'they' our enemies, called us. The 'Arabs' and the people at the UN who called Israel the 'Zionist entity' because they wanted to exterminate us.

The political term swas never used. Only the poetic (I would now call it mytho-poetic) Biblical Zion, the only place where our yearnings to survive and flourish could be fulfilled.

Belief in Israel could NEVER have been propagandized by such an image. EVER.

Again, this was in the '60's and '70's, at a particular congreation in a particular neighborhood in the borough of New York City, Queens.We had a lot of survivors of the Holocaust btw but It was reinforced all ovee the neighborhood, and even implicitly at regular school. Now I understand the indoctrination varied from 'schul' to 'schul' At that time I did not know.

After Sabra and Shatila I completely broke with Israel and even distanced myself from my particular Jewish identity inasmuch as  possible, and I never followed how the propaganda specifically developed, so as I said I never saw an image like this, and that is part of why I couldn't discern that it was a soldier, And that's why I was so shocked,  The other part was the fact that since it is a specific advocation of Israeli attack on Iran, I could never have imagined in a million years it would appear on this website, or that Jahanshah would treat the requests for an explanation so glibly, whether there was a way to prevent it or not, or a good explanation as to why it wasn't filtered if it was remotely possible to do so. I've been close to him for a long time. I'm not just shocked. It hurts. 

I hope you've gotten to the end of this, Dear The Moderator, even though it's so long. I will link it to you by e-mail as well to increase the odds that you have.

ggorgg & Amir,

I sure am enjoying the exchange and readings specially the historical part offered by ggorgg.  I am learning much about that part of history will look forward to more of it to read.

many thanks for it

Mehrdad

P.S. Who knew that a post from SP be so great, first it exposed JJ in his this regard and then much learning about the history of Zionism.

AMIR, are you trying to muddy the water and catch fish!!!

"I acknowledged that some Zionists (especially right-wingers) had links with right-wing extremists in other countries (mostly decades ago)."

That's whitewashing it. It wasn't some and especially right-wingers, it was many across the board.

Actually, I don't understand what your objective is. In some of your posts, you talk about burden of proof. Well, I referenced Lenni Brenner's writing and the documents that he has presented along with others. Now, you come back and first reduce the Zionist collaboration with Nazis and fascists and then muddy the water by dragging in other issues. Yes, Baath is Arab fascism in every form. One could say, Hezbe Rastakhiz was Iranian fascism. KKK is racist, etc.

Focus on the point. This post is about Zionist ads on Iranian.com. With all their claims and frequent use of anti-semitism to shut down criticism of Israel, Zionists collaborated with Nazis and fascists, while they were hoarding Jews in ghettos and killing them. In case of the Hungarian ghettos there is no question about what was going to happen. For someone who likes to demand proof, you sure as hell like to ignore what the proof says.

Why don't you read some of the documents first, then come and put another post about Baath, another about KKK, etc. and we'll discuss them. For now, don't dilute the point. Zionism is Jewish fascism and its history is very dirty! 

These are just small

These are just small things. 

You're right, those are historical minutiae. 

I acknowledged that some Zionists (especially right-wingers) had links with right-wing extremists in other countries (mostly decades ago). You may also want to acknowledge that there were pro-Nazi parties and leaders in the Arab countries during that time, and that some Nazis fled to Egypt and Syria. Or that the Baath Party, which ruled Iraq until 2003, and currently rules Syria was also influenced by European fascism. Or that the IRI hosts holocaust denial conferences in Tehran and invites European Neo-Nazis and former KKK Grand Wizard David Duke to speak at the conference. But then again, honesty and "leftish" claptrap don't mix. Regards.

Nazi-Zionist collaboration...

The collaboration went quiet deep. One result was Haavara, an anti-semitic scheme to rob Jews of everything in exchange for a few German Marks that they could only use to buy German made goods in Palestine. The Nazis even sent an SS officer, Leopold von Mildenstein, to assess the viability of the Zionist activities in Palestine. His account was published by Joseph Goebbels in the Nazi party publication called Der Angriff (the assult). Goebbels even minted a medal in celebration of the occasion, which is perhaps one of WWII most bizarre relics. It has a Star of David on one side and a Nazi Swastika on the other. An inscription reads "Ein Nazi fahrt nach Palastina und erzahlt davon im Angriff", "a Nazi travels to Palestine and tells about it in Angriff." You can find a picture of it online.

These are just small things. You can also read Jabotinsky's praise of Mussilini and his admonishment of the boycott of German goods. The first cadre of Israeli naval officers were trained in Civitavecchia under fascist Italy. An official Zionist description of the graduation ceremony exists with young Zionist sailors singing the fascist anthem. The very unit that attacked the Turkish aid flotilla for Gaza was trained by Italian fascists AFTER WWII.

The collaboration between Zionists and Nazis, Fascists, South African Apartheid regime are very deep and well documented. I have no idea why any righteous person would want to be Zionist, ESPECIALLY Jews. Perhaps the most dramatic event is the refusal of Zionist organizations to provide money for the release of Jews from Hungarian ghettos, saying in the end that their blood will water the land of future Israel. A heart wrenching account of it is given by Rabbi Weissmandel.